NBA Trade Thread #12

Jeffster81 · Post #461 » by **Jeffster81** » Mon Apr 28, 2025 1:12 pm

I would be nervous with how Giannis talks about Chicago and more specifically MJ, if I was a Bucks fan.

Andi Obst · Post #462 » by **Andi Obst** » Mon Apr 28, 2025 1:20 pm

Jeffster81 wrote:I would be nervous with how Giannis talks about Chicago and more specifically MJ, if I was a Bucks fan.

I would definitely be nervous as a Bucks fan.

(Not because of Chicago, though.)

jnrjr79 · Post #463 » by **jnrjr79** » Mon Apr 28, 2025 1:51 pm

Jeffster81 wrote:I would be nervous with how Giannis talks about Chicago and more specifically MJ, if I was a Bucks fan.

Yeah, and you have to wonder if Giannis is more likely to want out now if they get bounced in the first round and Lillard is out all next season with an Achilles tear.

Infinity2152 · Post #464 » by **Infinity2152** » Mon Apr 28, 2025 2:24 pm

Ccwatercraft wrote:
Infinity2152 wrote:
Ccwatercraft wrote:
Carter on an expiring might interest them, if Lillard is out they need something

Don't think they have the contracts or exceptions to do it straight up. Might help with a buyout though, if he knows he has a vet min contract already set up. They have history, he'd be a good deal at vet min at least.

Jesus, I just looked at their roster, those 60mil contracts really wreck the cap fast

Crazy, right! They're super limited in terms of flexibility, and have to stay a win now team with Giannis and Lillard.

I see the dislike for Kuzma is strong, lmao! I personally don't have a strong opinion about him. Looked pretty good on the Lakers. Pushed into primary scoring role with Wizards, one of the most dsyfunctional teams in the league. Then they add Jordan Poole as primary scorer. Everybody looks bad on the Wizards.

He's a 6'9 veteran PF, averaged 14.5 pts, 5.6 rebounds at 33% three point shooting this season. Decent perimeter defender imo, and aggressive. That's around the output I'd be looking to put next to Matas. Could wish for a little more rebounding, little better shooting, but we're only taking about sending minimal assets. There was a lot of talk about how Giddey, Huerter and Collins were pretty bad before they got here. Change of teams and system can do wonders.

I think a lineup of Giddey, White, Matas, Kuzma, Collins with Smith and Williams off the bench fits far better than Giddey, Coby, Williams, Matas, Vucevic with Collins off the bench, Smith not playing and no backup PF because he refuses to play Smith there. Kuzma has an extra year, but he should be more useful this year, and his contract doesn't appear to be negative, he can be moved again or added to a star trade.

kodo · Post #465 » by **kodo** » Mon Apr 28, 2025 2:42 pm

Milwaukee future draft pick control:

2025: BRK
2026: NOP swap
2027: NOP swap
2028: POR swap
2029: POR or WAS
2030: POR swap

sco · Post #466 » by **sco** » Mon Apr 28, 2025 5:31 pm

Saw an article put the idea of a way to get Giannis would be to also take Dame's contract.

If you trade Vuc, Collins, PWill, Huerter, Ball, Smith, Ayo the $ actually work in Fanspo...Could you do that and just add #12 and Por 1st?

Infinity2152 · Post #467 » by **Infinity2152** » Mon Apr 28, 2025 6:08 pm

sco wrote:Saw an article put the idea of a way to get Giannis would be to also take Dame's contract.

If you trade Vuc, Collins, PWill, Huerter, Ball, Smith, Ayo the $ actually work in Fanspo...Could you do that and just add #12 and Por 1st?

Damn, mega trade! We'd almost have to consider that for a shot at a possible 6-8 years of Giannis (30), but we're not really sending them any real talent in that deal. Giannis alone gets way more than that. You're probably counting Dame as a negative contract, and he may well be with the Achilles. He only has two years left, including next year. Possibly torn Achilles, he could be done. Think we send a minimum 4-5 picks in that deal.

Lillard and Giannis combine for $108 mill next year, $116 mill 2026. Going to be really hard to put a team around them, think we'd have to give up way more picks in that deal. Basically counting on Lillard, Giddey, Matas, Giannis making us contenders next year with very little help and Lillard coming of an Achilles tear. Lillard's 35 in July and played 58, 73, 58 last three years. Lillard and Giannis would kill Giddey's effectiveness.

I'd pass if Lillard has to come. Now what if you send Lillard to Phoenix and Beal comes here? Phoenix could send picks to Bucks, Beal's a better fit here, and opens Coby up for trade. Or maybe include Coby as one of the pieces in the trade to Bucks, save us some first round picks and add Beal and Giannis to Giddey and Matas. Phoenix takes the risk on Lillard's recovery.

2weekswithpay · Post #468 » by **2weekswithpay** » Mon Apr 28, 2025 6:33 pm

sco wrote:Saw an article put the idea of a way to get Giannis would be to also take Dame's contract.

If you trade Vuc, Collins, PWill, Huerter, Ball, Smith, Ayo the $ actually work in Fanspo...Could you do that and just add #12 and Por 1st?

It could work for us if we use Dame's expiring contract to get overpaid role players that fit the roster. I do see many ways to build a contending roster with Giannis and Dame taking up 70% of the cap.

However, this trade wouldn't make sense for the Bucks. Giannis leaving means you have to rebuild, and you need picks and young players. Dame's salary becomes irrelevant at that point.

jnrjr79 · Post #469 » by **jnrjr79** » Mon Apr 28, 2025 6:56 pm

2weekswithpay wrote:
sco wrote:Saw an article put the idea of a way to get Giannis would be to also take Dame's contract.

If you trade Vuc, Collins, PWill, Huerter, Ball, Smith, Ayo the $ actually work in Fanspo...Could you do that and just add #12 and Por 1st?

It could work for us if we use Dame's expiring contract to get overpaid role players that fit the roster. I do see many ways to build a contending roster with Giannis and Dame taking up 70% of the cap.

However, this trade wouldn't make sense for the Bucks. Giannis leaving means you have to rebuild, and you need picks and young players. Dame's salary becomes irrelevant at that point.

Dame's contract isn't expiring. He has a player option for 2027 that he'll now surely be picking up.

Maybe Dame can get routed to a third team, but that would seem to require moving some of the draft capital that could otherwise go to Milwaukee to that third team for taking on the bad contract.

ChettheJet · Post #470 » by **ChettheJet** » Mon Apr 28, 2025 7:04 pm

Some of you really need to look beyond the list of max contracts to help the Bulls. What exactly do the Bucks do with 20 players under contract on their roster? Does that half of the equation ever get considered?

WesPeace · Post #471 » by **WesPeace** » Mon Apr 28, 2025 7:08 pm

Houly crap, hell noooo for Lillard here lol

Infinity2152 · Post #472 » by **Infinity2152** » Mon Apr 28, 2025 7:15 pm

ChettheJet wrote:Some of you really need to look beyond the list of max contracts to help the Bulls. What exactly do the Bucks do with 20 players under contract on their roster? Does that half of the equation ever get considered?

Bucks have 11 players under contract next year. Send Dame and Giannis out, leaves them with 9 players. 5 of which are $2.5 mill or cheaper. All expiring. Of course they need more players under contract. If you look at the Bucks contracts, you'll see how heavy the money is weighted to three guys and how few actual NBA players they have. they do a two for two type deal, even money, they're still way over the cap with 4 empty roster spots and a crap bench of minimum players.

I did suggest that I think it would cost us more, and Coby White would have to be included. Him plus multiple picks plus having almost all expiring contracts is a nice start to a rebuild.

2weekswithpay · Post #473 » by **2weekswithpay** » Mon Apr 28, 2025 7:32 pm

jnrjr79 wrote:
2weekswithpay wrote:
sco wrote:Saw an article put the idea of a way to get Giannis would be to also take Dame's contract.

If you trade Vuc, Collins, PWill, Huerter, Ball, Smith, Ayo the $ actually work in Fanspo...Could you do that and just add #12 and Por 1st?

It could work for us if we use Dame's expiring contract to get overpaid role players that fit the roster. I do see many ways to build a contending roster with Giannis and Dame taking up 70% of the cap.

However, this trade wouldn't make sense for the Bucks. Giannis leaving means you have to rebuild, and you need picks and young players. Dame's salary becomes irrelevant at that point.

Dame's contract isn't expiring. He has a player option for 2027 that he'll now surely be picking up.

Maybe Dame can get routed to a third team, but that would seem to require moving some of the draft capital that could otherwise go to Milwaukee to that third team for taking on the bad contract.

It's an expiring contract after next season. The first year would be a wash since he isn't going to play, and you can't rebuild the roster with him on it.

Infinity2152 · Post #474 » by **Infinity2152** » Mon Apr 28, 2025 7:41 pm

Conversation started when somebody posted it's rumored if you want Giannis you have to take Dame. Bucks may not have much of a choice. They can't put a team around Giannis with Lillard on the books and he's there for two more years. They don't have draft capital. they don't have cap space or a bunch of good young players in the wings. Yes, it hurts to lose Giannis and rebuild. But they can't win with Giannis for at least the next two years anyway. Giannis value is not going up. Use him to get as much as you can for him and move the immovable contract. Start over with a ton of cap space, roster spots, a young talented player or two, and picks.

They could start by just trying to move Lillard alone, don't think they'll be successful. Or the assets would be nearly enough to save that team.

MrSparkle · Post #475 » by **MrSparkle** » Mon Apr 28, 2025 8:05 pm

Haven’t thought this through, but I think taking the best package possible for Giannis makes way more sense for Milwaukee (than trying to bundle a $60M injury reserve with him). Any Giannis trade means tanking/rebuild anyway. A $60M salary never hurt nobody (trying to lose).

But if they insist on bundling a hurt Dame, I’m not sure Jerry signs off on such a big luxury tax bill for a sitting player.

Portland might be a good option for that scenario. Ayton/Grant/Scoot/few FRPs and MIL picks all returned for Dame and Giannis. Dame rehabs in his fav. hometown, has a nice retirement run. Meanwhile Giannis/Deni/Sharpe/Clingon and their other parts would be an interesting core, esp. if Dame has some game left in 26/27.

Infinity2152 · Post #476 » by **Infinity2152** » Mon Apr 28, 2025 8:39 pm

MrSparkle wrote:Haven’t thought this through, but I think taking the best package possible for Giannis makes way more sense for Milwaukee (than trying to bundle a $60M injury reserve with him). Any Giannis trade means tanking/rebuild anyway. A $60M salary never hurt nobody (trying to lose).

But if they insist on bundling a hurt Dame, I’m not sure Jerry signs off on such a big luxury tax bill for a sitting player.

Portland might be a good option for that scenario. Ayton/Grant/Scoot/few FRPs and MIL picks all returned for Dame and Giannis. Dame rehabs in his fav. hometown, has a nice retirement run. Meanwhile Giannis/Deni/Sharpe/Clingon and their other parts would be an interesting core, esp. if Dame has some game left in 26/27.

Thought about Portland for Dame too.

Would be rough for the Bucks to send Portland so much to get Dame, then send him back for pennies on the dollar. Just trading Gianis and waiting two years to clear Lillard's cap space probably gets you more, but there are significant benefits to an extra $40-60 mill in cap space even (or especially) for rebuilding teams a year or two earlier.

Know how people were complaining about the Lavine contract is holding us up, and the Beal contract holding up Phoenix? Dame's contract is a two year stranglehold unless they can find a sucker to take it.

jnrjr79 · Post #477 » by **jnrjr79** » Mon Apr 28, 2025 8:43 pm

2weekswithpay wrote:
jnrjr79 wrote:
2weekswithpay wrote:
It could work for us if we use Dame's expiring contract to get overpaid role players that fit the roster. I do see many ways to build a contending roster with Giannis and Dame taking up 70% of the cap.

However, this trade wouldn't make sense for the Bucks. Giannis leaving means you have to rebuild, and you need picks and young players. Dame's salary becomes irrelevant at that point.

Dame's contract isn't expiring. He has a player option for 2027 that he'll now surely be picking up.

Maybe Dame can get routed to a third team, but that would seem to require moving some of the draft capital that could otherwise go to Milwaukee to that third team for taking on the bad contract.

It's an expiring contract after next season. The first year would be a wash since he isn't going to play, and you can't rebuild the roster with him on it.

Ha, well, all contracts are expiring contracts if this is the standard.

The point here is that taking on 2 huge years of salary for a guy who is not going to contribute is not likely to appeal to even rebuilding teams without significant draft capital attached.

Infinity2152 · Post #478 » by **Infinity2152** » Mon Apr 28, 2025 8:48 pm

Anybody have any idea how serious Lillard's injury is? Could he be back to start the season?

Never ming. I see Achilles tear, average recovery around 10 months. Maybe middle/end of next season.

sco · Post #479 » by **sco** » Mon Apr 28, 2025 8:50 pm

Infinity2152 wrote:Anybody have any idea how serious Lillard's injury is? Could he be back to start the season?

Torn achilles - that's gonna take about a year. Guys have come back sooner, but he's on the older side. Not sure how a medical exemption might work in here.

Infinity2152 · Post #480 » by **Infinity2152** » Mon Apr 28, 2025 8:59 pm

sco wrote:
Infinity2152 wrote:Anybody have any idea how serious Lillard's injury is? Could he be back to start the season?

Torn achilles - that's gonna take about a year. Guys have come back sooner, but he's on the older side. Not sure how a medical exemption might work in here.

Didn't think of that. A $55 mill medical exception might let them build the team up enough for Giannis to be okay. They'd almost certainly want expirings in that case right? Since Lillard's salary is likely back on the books 2026.