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Re: 2025 Regular Season Thread Vol. 9 

Post#1981 » by twix2500 » Mon Apr 28, 2025 6:11 pm

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3ammy3uck3ts wrote:Ware has probably been our worst player this series, it’s between him and Wiggins. I’ve been trying to give him the benefit of the doubt though because hes a rookie, he’s going up against arguably the best defensive front court in the league, and he’s just completely outmatched. Again; no playmaking on this roster from the perimeter which is a huge detriment to him but he’s not even providing any type of defense. That’s been my only disappointment, he’s been torched on that end and just looks lost, he single handedly killed our 1st quarter momentum last game


Its not a surprise, he is going against team with two all-star veteran bigs.


Correct.


However, the team hasnt play the system well. They look lost and confused a lot. Its one thing to be able to evaluate a player talent if they ran the play right but just couldnt finish. But most of the game the plays are not run right at all and players are bumping into each other looking confused. Players left wide open and not getting the shot etc. The Heat brought Ware here because they thought he was a stretch big. They put up out on the perimter to display those skills but he really get those shots. The guards on this team are not running the plays well at all. Yes Ware is struggling vs Allen, but the team has not done well running the plays for Ware to atleast be able to get some get back and show what he can do.
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Post#1982 » by 3ammy3uck3ts » Mon Apr 28, 2025 6:13 pm

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He loved to try to get shots up down 30 in game 3

That was his game 7 I guess

I would not be mad whatsoever if Bam took 50 shots in game 4, demand the ball and go attack.


Well yea you can say that about anyone considering we were getting drilled from the point the bench came in and on that entire game lol


We are going to get beat and probably swept I would be perfectly ok with Bam saying tonight that he is going to go out on his shield. He does not need to be scared or look over his shoulder if misses 2-3 from the top of the key. Just be aggressive and try to score. I get very annoyed that the leader of the franchise seems unwilling to do that, and I think it makes this team soft. We cannot go out like a bunch of sad guys who rage quit the game midway through the 2nd QTR


He has 2 games with over 20 attempts this series though which goes against the point you’re trying to make. I agree, I hope he and Herro shoot 30 shots a piece tonight
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Post#1983 » by VaDe255 » Mon Apr 28, 2025 6:14 pm

greg4012 wrote:lol ok


just fax per 36, roflmao
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Post#1984 » by 3ammy3uck3ts » Mon Apr 28, 2025 6:15 pm

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3ammy3uck3ts wrote:
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Its not a surprise, he is going against team with two all-star veteran bigs.


Correct.


However, the team hasnt play the system well. They look lost and confused a lot. Its one thing to be able to evaluate a player talent if they ran the play right but just couldnt finish. But most of the game the plays are not run right at all and players are bumping into each other looking confused. Players left wide open and not getting the shot etc. The Heat brought Ware here because they thought he was a stretch big. They put up out on the perimter to display those skills but he really get those shots. The guards on this team are not running the plays well at all. Yes Ware is struggling vs Allen, but the team has not done well running the plays for Ware to atleast be able to get some get back and show what he can do.


Yep, mediocre guard play has been a major hindrance for years now
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Post#1985 » by greg4012 » Mon Apr 28, 2025 6:20 pm

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This is not Herro beating his man. This is Strus angling Herro into Allen on the block not respecting the corner shooter and not expecting Herro to make the right decision.

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Big man funnel system is one of the more common defenses in the NBA (especially for a team where the their strength is a defensive frontcourt). Surprised people see it as anything else.


It's because the conversation was not about their defense, we're talking about our offense.

If you try the "big man funnel system" against the Cavs, they are drilling us from 3 or punishing us from inside, with a lot of that being done by their front court. We cannot say the same. And it's bizarre analysis to put the focus on the person who we can all see is getting a ton of defensive attention when those getting less are doing nothing with the space they are getting by not being the primary focus.


No one in the quoted exchange was referencing how we defend the Cavs. The Cavs form a wall in the paint and trust their bigs to be mobile enough to close out to corners and provide rim protection (usually offball with the onball defender cutting off the direct path to the lane). The whole defensive scheme is based on funneling onball movement towards the lengthy paint protectors.

Do you contend that Herro has been churning out a higher rate of good passes that result in open looks that haven't been converted by Miami this series?

That's not what I'm seeing. That's not what Miami's 3pt percentages this series reflect (47%, 36%, and 42% through 3 games--the lowest of which reflects Miami's season-long 3pt%).

Herro's assist percentage is down significantly from regular season.

Regular season: 28% assist%; 26% turnover%
Playoffs: 17% assist%; 26% turnover%
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Post#1986 » by greg4012 » Mon Apr 28, 2025 6:21 pm

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Post#1987 » by twix2500 » Mon Apr 28, 2025 6:21 pm

Look at these plays. What is Herro doing. Is he setting screens is? Is he running off screens? Is he looking for an open three? Is he trying to attack the basket? This is not Kwahi Leonard defending Herro. This is Max Strus and The backup powerforward Wade defending Herro.

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Post#1988 » by Shewasfly » Mon Apr 28, 2025 6:23 pm

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I thought the same thing, I did not think it was real when I first saw it. It was in fact a real quote. To me it is him setting the groundwork for what is to come, which is him being traded. Tyler was likely told what it was going to take for him to get that max extension. This was his moment to show that he could carry, he has actually had this moment that last two playoffs. Both times we have not only been beaten but flat run out of our own building with big Game 3 on our home floor. I really do appreciate what Herro has done this year, he has made this season somewhat watchable for me, and has taken a big leap in his game.

The reality is unless you have true franchise player to build around, you really don't have anything. Can't be paying guys like they are that dude either until you are able to secure one of them first. Unless Herro is willing to sign around 35 mil for the extension it is not going to happen, and I do not expect him to do that either he can get paid more elsewhere.

I think the team moves him because what Herro does is far more replaceable that the defensive flexibility Bam provides you, but what both players are is an accessory to a true star, with neither of them being that star themselves.

Disappointed that Bam in any game so far this series did not even attempt to be uber aggressive on offense. Like who is he waiting on to do that? The team clearly plays better when he has that mindset. I don't know why at 27 years old for him we are still talking about this. To me anybody on the roster is expendable. I wouldn't be super sad with any of them being moved, they haven't earned that love in my opinion.

This is where I disagree. This idea that Bam is irreplaceable is going to doom us to mediocrity. I think if we are rebuilding and keep Bam it will be a huge mistake. I think the FO thinks he's replaceable too though, so I'm just bracing myself for what's to come with this team.

As for Tyler's quote, does anyone have the entire interview or nah?


I think that is a fair point, mine being that Herro is far more replaceable than Bam is. Foundationally there is nothing wrong with Bam as a max player, the problem is if he is THE max player, which he has proven along with Herro that he cannot handle that.

Bam is not overpaid in my opinion

Any time you tell me you have a max player who you can't drop the ball down to and ask to go get a bucket, you're overpaid. Yes, that's the way of the league at this point, where as long as you're one of the top 3 on your team you're getting a big contract, but that's still overpaid imo.

And its not a comparison between he and Tyler, that's just what his stans make it. Tyler should be traded too if we're rebuilding, especially if he wants a max extension. But looking forward, if we are going to cut our losses and start a rebuild, a 27 year old with a mostly tapped out ceiling/potential who has the highest trade value should be the first to go.

Unfortunately he won't be, but he should. It's going to suck to say I told you so a year from now, but I can already see it. Remember, I'm the one who called out Wiggins as a drag on the team's offense before everybody started to catch on. Now everyone wants him out. Been screaming about Duncan for years, now everybody wants him out.
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Re: 2025 Regular Season Thread Vol. 9 

Post#1989 » by 3ammy3uck3ts » Mon Apr 28, 2025 6:26 pm

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Shewasfly wrote:
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Big man funnel system is one of the more common defenses in the NBA (especially for a team where the their strength is a defensive frontcourt). Surprised people see it as anything else.


It's because the conversation was not about their defense, we're talking about our offense.

If you try the "big man funnel system" against the Cavs, they are drilling us from 3 or punishing us from inside, with a lot of that being done by their front court. We cannot say the same. And it's bizarre analysis to put the focus on the person who we can all see is getting a ton of defensive attention when those getting less are doing nothing with the space they are getting by not being the primary focus.


No one in the quoted exchange was referencing how we defend the Cavs. The Cavs form a wall in the paint and trust their bigs to be mobile enough to close out to corners and provide rim protection (usually offball with the onball defender cutting off the direct path to the lane). The whole defensive scheme is based on funneling onball movement towards the lengthy paint protectors.

Do you contend that Herro has been churning out a higher rate of good passes that result in open looks that haven't been converted by Miami this series?

That's not what I'm seeing. That's not what Miami's 3pt percentages this series reflect (47%, 36%, and 42% through 3 games--the lowest of which reflects Miami's season-long 3pt%).

Herro's assist percentage is down significantly from regular season.

Regular season: 28% assist%; 26% turnover%
Playoffs: 17% assist%; 26% turnover%


Her argument is that all 5 defenders are guarding Herro and everyone else is wide open nit being defended at all and unable to convert of Herros passes, it’s nonsense lol.
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Re: 2025 Regular Season Thread Vol. 9 

Post#1990 » by Shewasfly » Mon Apr 28, 2025 6:32 pm

greg4012 wrote:
Shewasfly wrote:
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Big man funnel system is one of the more common defenses in the NBA (especially for a team where the their strength is a defensive frontcourt). Surprised people see it as anything else.


It's because the conversation was not about their defense, we're talking about our offense.

If you try the "big man funnel system" against the Cavs, they are drilling us from 3 or punishing us from inside, with a lot of that being done by their front court. We cannot say the same. And it's bizarre analysis to put the focus on the person who we can all see is getting a ton of defensive attention when those getting less are doing nothing with the space they are getting by not being the primary focus.


No one in the quoted exchange was referencing how we defend the Cavs. The Cavs form a wall in the paint and trust their bigs to be mobile enough to close out to corners and provide rim protection (usually offball with the onball defender cutting off the direct path to the lane). The whole defensive scheme is based on funneling onball movement towards the lengthy paint protectors.

Do you contend that Herro has been churning out a higher rate of good passes that result in open looks that haven't been converted by Miami this series?

That's not what I'm seeing. That's not what Miami's 3pt percentages this series reflect (47%, 36%, and 42% through 3 games--the lowest of which reflects Miami's season-long 3pt%).

Herro's assist percentage is down significantly from regular season.

Regular season: 28% assist%; 26% turnover%
Playoffs: 17% assist%; 26% turnover%


The quote exchange is about Herro not beating his man, and that being the problem for the offense.

It was pointed out that the entire Cavs defense has been focused on denying Herro the ball, and that when he does have the ball, lanes are being shut down because the Cavs are playing a Box and 1 on him. They are not respecting Bam and Wiggins on offense.

It's then being said that it is a problem that Bam and Wiggins cannot consistently beat the soft coverage they are getting, because it allows the Cavs to stay in that defense where we cannot get anything easy inside.

I've not contended anything about Herro's assists or even mentioned them at all.
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Post#1991 » by greg4012 » Mon Apr 28, 2025 6:33 pm

To date, I don't believe this series has revealed anything new about the current players in Miami or the team. The only potential tidbits are (1) further validating Davion Mitchell as a dawg (that is motivated to get paid); and (2) Andrew Wiggins on-ball defense is disappointing (but he may be dealing with lingering injuries)
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Post#1992 » by twix2500 » Mon Apr 28, 2025 6:34 pm

greg4012 wrote:
Shewasfly wrote:
greg4012 wrote:
Big man funnel system is one of the more common defenses in the NBA (especially for a team where the their strength is a defensive frontcourt). Surprised people see it as anything else.


It's because the conversation was not about their defense, we're talking about our offense.

If you try the "big man funnel system" against the Cavs, they are drilling us from 3 or punishing us from inside, with a lot of that being done by their front court. We cannot say the same. And it's bizarre analysis to put the focus on the person who we can all see is getting a ton of defensive attention when those getting less are doing nothing with the space they are getting by not being the primary focus.


No one in the quoted exchange was referencing how we defend the Cavs. The Cavs form a wall in the paint and trust their bigs to be mobile enough to close out to corners and provide rim protection (usually offball with the onball defender cutting off the direct path to the lane). The whole defensive scheme is based on funneling onball movement towards the lengthy paint protectors.

Do you contend that Herro has been churning out a higher rate of good passes that result in open looks that haven't been converted by Miami this series?

That's not what I'm seeing. That's not what Miami's 3pt percentages this series reflect (47%, 36%, and 42% through 3 games--the lowest of which reflects Miami's season-long 3pt%).

Herro's assist percentage is down significantly from regular season.

Regular season: 28% assist%; 26% turnover%
Playoffs: 17% assist%; 26% turnover%


Greg is right, its not that the Heat hasnt knocked down the shots. Its that ball handlers are not making the pass too often or getting in position to make the pass often. This is the shot chart in this Cavs series.

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Post#1993 » by Tim_Hardawayy » Mon Apr 28, 2025 6:36 pm

Don't think there's anything to be gained from continuing to argue who's been worse between Bam or Herro, neither guy is in the role they should be in. Tyler needs to be an off the ball scorer next to a primary ball handler and probably #2 option at best as well, Bam needs to be a lob guy that occasionally gets an iso or corner 3 and probably a #3 option on a contender. Unfortunately if this team is going to get a true #1 anytime soon, they probably have to move on from Tyler, Bam or both, then figure out a way to attract those caliber of players over again once the next #1 guy is here.

It's not easy to acquire a Tyler Herro or Bam Adebayo, they're both pretty damn good players at this point, and there's teams that would kill to pair them with their stars. But its much more difficult to find an Anthony Edwards or Luka Doncic.

Also I'm pretty sure that quote from Tyler about the team needing Jimmy is old, it was just a twitter shitpost with no source quoted. If that was a real quote made before game 3 the media would be blasting it everywhere.
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Post#1994 » by greg4012 » Mon Apr 28, 2025 6:38 pm

Shewasfly wrote:
greg4012 wrote:
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It's because the conversation was not about their defense, we're talking about our offense.

If you try the "big man funnel system" against the Cavs, they are drilling us from 3 or punishing us from inside, with a lot of that being done by their front court. We cannot say the same. And it's bizarre analysis to put the focus on the person who we can all see is getting a ton of defensive attention when those getting less are doing nothing with the space they are getting by not being the primary focus.


No one in the quoted exchange was referencing how we defend the Cavs. The Cavs form a wall in the paint and trust their bigs to be mobile enough to close out to corners and provide rim protection (usually offball with the onball defender cutting off the direct path to the lane). The whole defensive scheme is based on funneling onball movement towards the lengthy paint protectors.

Do you contend that Herro has been churning out a higher rate of good passes that result in open looks that haven't been converted by Miami this series?

That's not what I'm seeing. That's not what Miami's 3pt percentages this series reflect (47%, 36%, and 42% through 3 games--the lowest of which reflects Miami's season-long 3pt%).

Herro's assist percentage is down significantly from regular season.

Regular season: 28% assist%; 26% turnover%
Playoffs: 17% assist%; 26% turnover%


The quote exchange is about Herro not beating his man, and that being the problem for the offense.

It was pointed out that the entire Cavs defense has been focused on denying Herro the ball, and that when he does have the ball, lanes are being shut down because the Cavs are playing a Box and 1 on him. They are not respecting Bam and Wiggins on offense.

It's then being said that it is a problem that Bam and Wiggins cannot consistently beat the soft coverage they are getting, because it allows the Cavs to stay in that defense where we cannot get anything easy inside.

I've not contended anything about Herro's assists or even mentioned them at all.


So you don't think a lead ballhandler's ability to read the court and pass to advantage when a defense sends extra help matters in that discussion?

To be clear, Cleveland is just giving soft coverage to the perimeter as a whole aside from Herro (and specialized shooters like Duncan). Miami should actually be working to find more 3 pt looks off of that, but I contend that the floor game hasn't really been there and Herro hasn't really bent the defense to force that issue.

Some bias is showing... but do you.

I get it, perimeter creators are fun. I wish Miami had another one so that all the pieces could fit.
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Post#1995 » by Hallstar » Mon Apr 28, 2025 6:39 pm

BAsed on the image with the on/off, they're shooting 27% from 3 when Herro is off court. He's either creating em or shooting em
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Post#1996 » by Tim_Hardawayy » Mon Apr 28, 2025 6:41 pm

greg4012 wrote:To date, I don't believe this series has revealed anything new about the current players in Miami or the team. The only potential tidbits are (1) further validating Davion Mitchell as a dawg (that is motivated to get paid); and (2) Andrew Wiggins on-ball defense is disappointing (but he may be dealing with lingering injuries)


Team needs a real creator on offense. Tyler at this point is an OK decision maker, but not a creator especially when the defense is focused on him. Bam similarly, OK decision maker, but not a creator.

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Greg is right, its not that the Heat hasnt knocked down the shots. Its that ball handlers are not making the pass too often.

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Pretty much. I'm not on the "need a true point guard" bandwagon but somebody has to be the guy who can create the open looks. Tyler can't do it as a #1, neither can Bam. Jimmy could but he's gone, he wasn't a point guard.

I can't stand Trae Young just because he looks like a rat/weasel, yes I'm biased, but it does make me wonder what the offense looks like with him making decisions. I really love Davion for a number of reasons, but at the same time it pains me how often I'll see him blow by his man and fail to capitalize from any of the defensive attention he's drawing. He has zero ability to make any pass beyond the simple kickout and even those are a struggle for him.
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Post#1997 » by Hallstar » Mon Apr 28, 2025 6:46 pm

greg4012 wrote:
Shewasfly wrote:
greg4012 wrote:
No one in the quoted exchange was referencing how we defend the Cavs. The Cavs form a wall in the paint and trust their bigs to be mobile enough to close out to corners and provide rim protection (usually offball with the onball defender cutting off the direct path to the lane). The whole defensive scheme is based on funneling onball movement towards the lengthy paint protectors.

Do you contend that Herro has been churning out a higher rate of good passes that result in open looks that haven't been converted by Miami this series?

That's not what I'm seeing. That's not what Miami's 3pt percentages this series reflect (47%, 36%, and 42% through 3 games--the lowest of which reflects Miami's season-long 3pt%).

Herro's assist percentage is down significantly from regular season.

Regular season: 28% assist%; 26% turnover%
Playoffs: 17% assist%; 26% turnover%


The quote exchange is about Herro not beating his man, and that being the problem for the offense.

It was pointed out that the entire Cavs defense has been focused on denying Herro the ball, and that when he does have the ball, lanes are being shut down because the Cavs are playing a Box and 1 on him. They are not respecting Bam and Wiggins on offense.

It's then being said that it is a problem that Bam and Wiggins cannot consistently beat the soft coverage they are getting, because it allows the Cavs to stay in that defense where we cannot get anything easy inside.

I've not contended anything about Herro's assists or even mentioned them at all.


So you don't think a lead ballhandler's ability to read the court and pass to advantage when a defense sends extra help matters in that discussion?

To be clear, Cleveland is just giving soft coverage to the perimeter as a whole aside from Herro (and specialized shooters like Duncan). Miami should actually be working to find more 3 pt looks off of that, but I contend that the floor game hasn't really been there and Herro hasn't really bent the defense to force that issue.

Some bias is showing... but do you.

I get it, perimeter creators are fun. I wish Miami had another one so that all the pieces could fit.

That depends on the capabilities of who you're passing to. Highsmith has been his most reliable shooter, but we don't want Highsmith attempting anything of significance with ball handling vs a closeout
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Post#1998 » by oreon » Mon Apr 28, 2025 6:50 pm

greg4012 wrote:To date, I don't believe this series has revealed anything new about the current players in Miami or the team. The only potential tidbits are (1) further validating Davion Mitchell as a dawg (that is motivated to get paid); and (2) Andrew Wiggins on-ball defense is disappointing (but he may be dealing with lingering injuries)


This is where I am. I take more from the play in than this series. The Cavs and Boston are too big of mismatches. There was no scenario where Heat were going to make anything of this series.
If we are going to criticize Herro and Bam. Its for their individual performance and them finishing in the play in. This where they need to take criticism. They can't finish 6 games under 500 as a core. That's not good enough to keep either around.
I assume both will be back next season. Regardless of the roster changes, this team needs to be around 44- 45 wins and around the 4 to 6th seed. If you can avoid Cavs/Boston you are playing other teams that are flawed that you have a decent chance of making it a 6 or 7 game series and you can see how you guys stack up.
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Post#1999 » by Shewasfly » Mon Apr 28, 2025 6:53 pm

greg4012 wrote:
Shewasfly wrote:
greg4012 wrote:
No one in the quoted exchange was referencing how we defend the Cavs. The Cavs form a wall in the paint and trust their bigs to be mobile enough to close out to corners and provide rim protection (usually offball with the onball defender cutting off the direct path to the lane). The whole defensive scheme is based on funneling onball movement towards the lengthy paint protectors.

Do you contend that Herro has been churning out a higher rate of good passes that result in open looks that haven't been converted by Miami this series?

That's not what I'm seeing. That's not what Miami's 3pt percentages this series reflect (47%, 36%, and 42% through 3 games--the lowest of which reflects Miami's season-long 3pt%).

Herro's assist percentage is down significantly from regular season.

Regular season: 28% assist%; 26% turnover%
Playoffs: 17% assist%; 26% turnover%


The quote exchange is about Herro not beating his man, and that being the problem for the offense.

It was pointed out that the entire Cavs defense has been focused on denying Herro the ball, and that when he does have the ball, lanes are being shut down because the Cavs are playing a Box and 1 on him. They are not respecting Bam and Wiggins on offense.

It's then being said that it is a problem that Bam and Wiggins cannot consistently beat the soft coverage they are getting, because it allows the Cavs to stay in that defense where we cannot get anything easy inside.

I've not contended anything about Herro's assists or even mentioned them at all.


So you don't think a lead ballhandler's ability to read the court and pass to advantage when a defense sends extra help matters in that discussion?

To be clear, Cleveland is just giving soft coverage to the perimeter as a whole aside from Herro (and specialized shooters like Duncan). Miami should actually be working to find more 3 pt looks off of that, but I contend that the floor game hasn't really been there and Herro hasn't really bent the defense to force that issue.

Some bias is showing... but do you.

I get it, perimeter creators are fun. I wish Miami had another one so that all the pieces could fit.


I agree that there is bias. There has to be some level of bias being shown when everyone can admit that Tyler is getting all the defensive attention, but we still can't have any expectations of others to take advantage of that.

If we were still talking about defense and Tyler that'd be one thing. Actually if we were talking about Tyler needing to be more forceful in getting beyond the ball denials, I'd even have some agreement there too. But pinning the offensive problems on him is bizarre. Even in the clip that was just posted, what I see is Tyler clearly taking the tougher defender away from Wiggins on a brush screen so that he can go to work and the Cavs CAN'T just zone the paint like they would if it was Tyler doing it. Instead of this being recognized it's WHAT IS TYLER DOING? WHY CAN'T HE TAKE DEAN WADE OFF THE DRIBBLE?? lol like huh?

I'm sorry but the fact that we can't even talk about Wiggins and Bam being able to score against their matchups when they are giving them one on one coverage and less help support since they don't want to come off Tyler's body, is wild.
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Post#2000 » by greg4012 » Mon Apr 28, 2025 6:57 pm

Shewasfly wrote:
greg4012 wrote:
Shewasfly wrote:
The quote exchange is about Herro not beating his man, and that being the problem for the offense.

It was pointed out that the entire Cavs defense has been focused on denying Herro the ball, and that when he does have the ball, lanes are being shut down because the Cavs are playing a Box and 1 on him. They are not respecting Bam and Wiggins on offense.

It's then being said that it is a problem that Bam and Wiggins cannot consistently beat the soft coverage they are getting, because it allows the Cavs to stay in that defense where we cannot get anything easy inside.

I've not contended anything about Herro's assists or even mentioned them at all.


So you don't think a lead ballhandler's ability to read the court and pass to advantage when a defense sends extra help matters in that discussion?

To be clear, Cleveland is just giving soft coverage to the perimeter as a whole aside from Herro (and specialized shooters like Duncan). Miami should actually be working to find more 3 pt looks off of that, but I contend that the floor game hasn't really been there and Herro hasn't really bent the defense to force that issue.

Some bias is showing... but do you.

I get it, perimeter creators are fun. I wish Miami had another one so that all the pieces could fit.


I agree that there is bias. There has to be some level of bias being shown when everyone can admit that Tyler is getting all the defensive attention, but we still can't have any expectations of others to take advantage of that.

If we were still talking about defense and Tyler that'd be one thing. Actually if we were talking about Tyler needing to be more forceful in getting beyond the ball denials, I'd even have some agreement there too. But pinning the offensive problems on him is bizarre. Even in the clip that was just posted, what I see is Tyler clearly taking the tougher defender away from Wiggins on a brush screen so that he can go to work and the Cavs CAN'T just zone the paint like they would if it was Tyler doing it. Instead of this being recognized it's WHAT IS TYLER DOING? WHY CAN'T HE TAKE DEAN WADE OFF THE DRIBBLE?? lol like huh?

I'm sorry but the fact that we can't even talk about Wiggins and Bam being able to score against their matchups when they are giving them one on one coverage and less help support since they don't want to come off Tyler's body, is wild.


I haven't pinned offensive problems on anything but the team construct as a whole. Tyler is essential for us being close to afloat on offense.

Who can't talk about Wiggins and Bam? I'd wager 25% of the posts in this 100 page thread are criticizing Bam for not being enough on offense. It seems to me you just (1) get irked by Bammy trolling and (2) need some sort of consensus among all fans to validate your full level of displeasure with the players you deem unfit. And in the absence of that, injustice is rampant!

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