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2025 NBA Draft Discussion Part 6

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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Discussion Part 6 

Post#161 » by WuTang_CMB » Mon Apr 28, 2025 7:08 pm

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There's a decent chance that he's a star in this league and we all ask why we overthought it. If he measures out well, he might be the most surefire thing after Flagg/Harper


I agree

And he got Izzo's trust in his freshman season which is tough

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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Discussion Part 6 

Post#162 » by Clutch0z24 » Mon Apr 28, 2025 7:09 pm

mademan wrote:
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There's a decent chance that he's a star in this league and we all ask why we overthought it. If he measures out well, he might be the most surefire thing after Flagg/Harper


I think Jase might have jumped into my top 8 after watching more and researching....Really like his game....Mike Conley vibes.
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Discussion Part 6 

Post#163 » by DreamTeam09 » Mon Apr 28, 2025 7:09 pm

Clutch0z24 wrote:If we stay around 7/8 i am picking skills > raw player with good measurments....At 39 we can go for another big man to develop....Which would make much more sense....At the top of the draft you want to draft a player that can make an impact on the team right away that also has low bust potential.

Potentially Maluach could only be playing 40 games for you and can't travel with the team if we also made a playoff run next year he would be inelidgiable for alot of the games....Which is basically another concern with the already mountains of concerns i have....So to me its not a feasable pick in the top 7/8...


There is in no way shape or form that Maluach if drafted by us, wouldn't have that issue resolved. Either can get a Canadian visa, become a PR or even a citizen of Canada before he were to miss playoff games for us
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Discussion Part 6 

Post#164 » by arbsn » Mon Apr 28, 2025 7:09 pm

Final tiers with upside comps

Tier 1 - Locks
1. Cooper Flagg - Lamar Odom with a knock down jump shot

Tier 2 - Might take a year or 2 but basically a lock
2. Dylan Harper - Brandon Roy with Cade's hair

Tier 3 - Clear All-star potential, couple of elite skills
3. Edgecombe - pre injury Oladipo
4. Fears - Tony parker with kyrie handles
5. Bailey - MPJ with better defense

Tier 4 - Intriguing players, could develop into all-star
6. Kon Kneuppel - bigger/stronger Manu Ginobili
7. Derik Queen - more aggressive Boris Diaw
8. JRich - Derrick white
9. Tre Johnson - bigger Lou Will

Tier 5 - Riskier picks with upside
10. Kasparas - Smaller hedo Turkoglu
11. Egor Demin - Josh giddey
12. Rashard Fleming - PJ Washington
13. Carter Bryant - Robert Covington
14. Khaman Maluach - Mitchell Robinson


Unknowns with lottery pick potential: Essengue, Traore, Gonzalez, Yaxel, Penda, Saraf
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Discussion Part 6 

Post#165 » by Clutch0z24 » Mon Apr 28, 2025 7:13 pm

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Clutch0z24 wrote:If we stay around 7/8 i am picking skills > raw player with good measurments....At 39 we can go for another big man to develop....Which would make much more sense....At the top of the draft you want to draft a player that can make an impact on the team right away that also has low bust potential.

Potentially Maluach could only be playing 40 games for you and can't travel with the team if we also made a playoff run next year he would be inelidgiable for alot of the games....Which is basically another concern with the already mountains of concerns i have....So to me its not a feasable pick in the top 7/8...


There is in no way shape or form that Maluach if drafted by us, wouldn't have that issue resolved. Either can get a Canadian visa, become a PR or even a citizen of Canada before he were to miss playoff games for us


Its still a risk pick because there are issues there regardless....And with a top pick who has so many questions in his game as well i would not risk it when there are many players who i think are better than Maluach where we are drafting....Id rather take a big man at 39...If it doesn't work out at 39 its a meh it was a 2nd rounder....If your top 7/8 pick doesn't work out after a year of tanking thats a fireable offense for Masai....So risk is outweighing the rewards on this one because i don't see Maluach ever being a Embiid type of player and hes more of a backup C to me...
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Discussion Part 6 

Post#166 » by WuTang_CMB » Mon Apr 28, 2025 7:17 pm

Jase will still be 18 on draft night

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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Discussion Part 6 

Post#167 » by Psubs » Mon Apr 28, 2025 7:24 pm

Clutch0z24 wrote:
DreamTeam09 wrote:
Clutch0z24 wrote:If we stay around 7/8 i am picking skills > raw player with good measurments....At 39 we can go for another big man to develop....Which would make much more sense....At the top of the draft you want to draft a player that can make an impact on the team right away that also has low bust potential.

Potentially Maluach could only be playing 40 games for you and can't travel with the team if we also made a playoff run next year he would be inelidgiable for alot of the games....Which is basically another concern with the already mountains of concerns i have....So to me its not a feasable pick in the top 7/8...


There is in no way shape or form that Maluach if drafted by us, wouldn't have that issue resolved. Either can get a Canadian visa, become a PR or even a citizen of Canada before he were to miss playoff games for us


Its still a risk pick because there are issues there regardless....And with a top pick who has so many questions in his game as well i would not risk it when there are many players who i think are better than Maluach where we are drafting....Id rather take a big man at 39...If it doesn't work out at 39 its a meh it was a 2nd rounder....If your top 7/8 pick doesn't work out after a year of tanking thats a fireable offense for Masai....So risk is outweighing the rewards on this one because i don't see Maluach ever being a Embiid type of player and hes more of a backup C to me...


I agree. Is Maluach going to be much better than 7'1 Tomislav Ivisic, who can pass, rebound and shoot the 3 already?
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Discussion Part 6 

Post#168 » by Yallbecrazy » Mon Apr 28, 2025 7:26 pm

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Why is a starting C for DUKE a hail Mary? I don't see what bust potential is there, he's 7'2 - not many NBA players are his size, the few at his size, only a few move like him. We are asking him to do the things he does already, he'll expand his game incrementally over the yrs but his floor as a player are the exact traits this teams needs



I look for bbiq as the main go to in my analysis and Malauch is at the very bottom for it in this draft. You look at busts in the past and the majority of time there were indicators that their bbiq was lacking. Draft gems and sleepers are usually guys with high to elite IQ and lacking either in the skill or measurement/athelticism department.


In your analysis of players, how are you factoring in his inexperience to the game of basketball overall as the leading cause for his precieved lack of of bbiq


I think he's worth a 1st in the 20s and not a mid 2nd.

Condon is new to basketball and has a very high bbiq, so it's almost like a natural instinct that gets refined.
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Discussion Part 6 

Post#169 » by mademan » Mon Apr 28, 2025 7:28 pm

Clutch0z24 wrote:
mademan wrote:
WuTang_OG wrote:
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There's a decent chance that he's a star in this league and we all ask why we overthought it. If he measures out well, he might be the most surefire thing after Flagg/Harper


I think Jase might have jumped into my top 8 after watching more and researching....Really like his game....Mike Conley vibes.


2-way, effecient 3 level scorer with top tier advanced metrics as a freshman. Like I said, we just might be overthinking it. Guard glut or not, he just seems like an easy pick
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Discussion Part 6 

Post#170 » by Tripod » Mon Apr 28, 2025 7:33 pm

WuTang_OG wrote:
mademan wrote:
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There's a decent chance that he's a star in this league and we all ask why we overthought it. If he measures out well, he might be the most surefire thing after Flagg/Harper


I agree

And he got Izzo's trust in his freshman season which is tough

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I mentioned a few weeks ago that if you go look on Tankathon at each guy, they show the stats that are strengths vs weaknesses. And he graded as the 2nd best guy behind only Flagg. His only weakness was rebounds...likely due to his size.

He could be the next Kyrie
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Discussion Part 6 

Post#171 » by ItsDanger » Mon Apr 28, 2025 7:33 pm

I think the Maluach prototype might be someone you trade for instead of drafting in the lottery. I was high on him before last season but just wasn't impressed. Wondering if he has a low ceiling. Workouts will be key for him to expand the limited role he had at Duke. I support the front office being very active trade wise in this draft.
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Discussion Part 6 

Post#172 » by Clutch0z24 » Mon Apr 28, 2025 7:45 pm

Flagg
Harper
Edgecombe
Bailey
Queen
Fears
Tre
Jase
My top 8 ^
If we fall to 9
Maluach
Noa
CMB
Demin
Jak
Bryant
Traore
All in play

But i think we stay in the top 8 so i am pretty happy with all the top 8 prospects on my board....Don't think you worry about team fit or "If its a guard" You just draft BPA....Id love to get Rasheer if we could aquire another pick.
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Discussion Part 6 

Post#173 » by WuTang_CMB » Mon Apr 28, 2025 7:47 pm

mademan wrote:
Clutch0z24 wrote:
mademan wrote:
There's a decent chance that he's a star in this league and we all ask why we overthought it. If he measures out well, he might be the most surefire thing after Flagg/Harper


I think Jase might have jumped into my top 8 after watching more and researching....Really like his game....Mike Conley vibes.


2-way, effecient 3 level scorer with top tier advanced metrics as a freshman. Like I said, we just might be overthinking it. Guard glut or not, he just seems like an easy pick


He really should be rated a lot higher than where he's currently mocked. Based on his age, production, analytics, 2 way ability, he should be in the conversation for top 5. The screen navigation off ball is probably the best in the class. Will wait to see measurements but I am seeing 6'3 in shoes with a +5 wingspan
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Discussion Part 6 

Post#174 » by PushDaRock » Mon Apr 28, 2025 8:01 pm

mademan wrote:
Clutch0z24 wrote:
mademan wrote:
There's a decent chance that he's a star in this league and we all ask why we overthought it. If he measures out well, he might be the most surefire thing after Flagg/Harper


I think Jase might have jumped into my top 8 after watching more and researching....Really like his game....Mike Conley vibes.


2-way, effecient 3 level scorer with top tier advanced metrics as a freshman. Like I said, we just might be overthinking it. Guard glut or not, he just seems like an easy pick


If he measures out at 6"4 maybe 6"5, that will bump him up a lot. He plays bigger than 6"3 and looks to have a real plus wingspan, really high skill level and the athleticism is better than people think. He's not as explosive as his dad but is incredibly fluid out there and can get to his spots. I like him a lot more than Fears, Johnson and Jakucionis. I don't even think Edgecombe is a definite lock over him either. Wouldn't be shocking to really see him rise up the boards when the flaws of some of these other guys get picked apart more.
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Discussion Part 6 

Post#175 » by PushDaRock » Mon Apr 28, 2025 8:03 pm

WuTang_OG wrote:
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Clutch0z24 wrote:
I think Jase might have jumped into my top 8 after watching more and researching....Really like his game....Mike Conley vibes.


2-way, effecient 3 level scorer with top tier advanced metrics as a freshman. Like I said, we just might be overthinking it. Guard glut or not, he just seems like an easy pick


He really should be rated a lot higher than where he's currently mocked. Based on his age, production, analytics, 2 way ability, he should be in the conversation for top 5. The screen navigation off ball is probably the best in the class. Will wait to see measurements but I am seeing 6'3 in shoes with a +5 wingspan


Yeah he's a late bloomer as well, the measurements could really help him out a lot. If he were 6"6, we're probably talking a top 5 lock
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Post#176 » by M3tro » Mon Apr 28, 2025 8:13 pm

Two weeks until the draft lottery
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Discussion Part 6 

Post#177 » by Psubs » Mon Apr 28, 2025 8:26 pm

PushDaRock wrote:
WuTang_OG wrote:
mademan wrote:
2-way, effecient 3 level scorer with top tier advanced metrics as a freshman. Like I said, we just might be overthinking it. Guard glut or not, he just seems like an easy pick


He really should be rated a lot higher than where he's currently mocked. Based on his age, production, analytics, 2 way ability, he should be in the conversation for top 5. The screen navigation off ball is probably the best in the class. Will wait to see measurements but I am seeing 6'3 in shoes with a +5 wingspan


Yeah he's a late bloomer as well, the measurements could really help him out a lot. If he were 6"6, we're probably talking a top 5 lock


Ya, if he were 6'5 he might be higher mocked than VJ. Maybe a cointoss with Harper.
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Discussion Part 6 

Post#178 » by S ID » Mon Apr 28, 2025 8:28 pm

WuTang_OG wrote:Jase will still be 18 on draft night

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He’s 19. Tankathon has him listed one year younger than he actually is for some reason
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Discussion Part 6 

Post#179 » by MainEvent » Mon Apr 28, 2025 8:40 pm

PushDaRock wrote:
WuTang_OG wrote:
mademan wrote:
2-way, effecient 3 level scorer with top tier advanced metrics as a freshman. Like I said, we just might be overthinking it. Guard glut or not, he just seems like an easy pick


He really should be rated a lot higher than where he's currently mocked. Based on his age, production, analytics, 2 way ability, he should be in the conversation for top 5. The screen navigation off ball is probably the best in the class. Will wait to see measurements but I am seeing 6'3 in shoes with a +5 wingspan


Yeah he's a late bloomer as well, the measurements could really help him out a lot. If he were 6"6, we're probably talking a top 5 lock


6'6 he'd be easy top 3 IMO. He looks 6'3 max in shoes which would be similar size to Reed Sheppard and Jared McCain from last year who are also decent player comps... he probably has a few inches of reach on them

Was he ever a PG in HS? not saying he has to be a traditional PG but he obviously didn't get an opportunity to show his whole game in college. even if he's more of a SG, having the ability to create shots for others would be ideal

can he be a POA defender? those things could bump him up draft boards in workouts
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Discussion Part 6 

Post#180 » by Basketball_Jones » Mon Apr 28, 2025 8:42 pm

Jase is high in some mocks but I honestly don’t hear much noise about him. To be honest unless it’s Harper I think the front office is locked into IQ/Shead/Walters and don’t want another guard.
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