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I've had a little time to digest the draft. My relatively brief (okay, probably not) take after looking at least a bit into these guys:
Big Picture
I'll start with the positive. They identified an area of difficulty and attacked it. This run D should be head-and-shoulders above what we put out there last year. We added maybe the two best DL in the draft against the run in Williams and Collins, and West may not be far behind. You could argue that our struggles against the run were our biggest issue last year - and there were plenty to choose from.
They picked up players who should at the very least compete to start. I expect Williams and Collins to be day one starters. Martin should challenge at the very least for the starting SLB spot, and has a good chance of winning the WLB role as they don't seem to love Winters. Stout could start at the nickel corner, and West could start at the other DT spot - at least on base downs.
They held off longer than I thought they would on RB and, to a lesser extent, WR. They re-stocked our needs on the defensive side of the ball pretty well, adding size and physicality up front and speed on the back. They also took a chance on a late-round QB with some upside.
For the negative, they yet again come out of the draft without an OT, and only have two on the roster. I get that they weren't able to draft one in the early rounds. The value just wasn't there, and several guys went right before our picks in early rounds who might have been possibilities. But to not use a 7th round pick or bring in an UDFA is a huge head-scratcher.
And as we've come to expect from this FO, they had many picks that seemed like huge reaches. It's always hard to pinpoint a reach as we don't know where guys would otherwise go, but both third-round picks went at least a round above where I think they would have gone if we didn't take them, and Watkins seemed to go a round or two early, too.
And as much as I loved addressing the run defense, I'm not entirely clear on how we're going to get pressure on the QB. This team still has pretty significant holes, as well.
The Picks
1) DE Mykel Williams - I don't love the pick, but I wasn't going to love the pick here given the value (or relative lack thereof) up high in this draft. Williams should be a very safe pick who, at the very least, is a really good run defender from day one. Hopefully he can develop as a pass rusher with more opportunities, but you're rolling the die there a little bit. Overall, I was satisfied with this pick, though I would have preferred to take Nolen or Harmon to play three-technique DT and addressed DE in round two with Scourton or Tuimoloau.
2) DT Alfred Collins - I thought this was high for a one-dimensional run-stuffer, especially in a draft with so many of those guys. I wanted to prioritize three-tech early and take our run-stuffer in rounds four or five (West, Caldwell, Phillips, Pegues). He's got really intriguing physical tools with his size and length, so you've got to hope that he can develop some pass-rush moves, but right now that's far from certain. When combined with Williams, I have serious questions about our four starting DL generating pressure.
3a) LB Nick Martin - This was a real surprise. There were a lot of LBs with this undersized, athletic profile, and pick 75 seemed really early for any of them. Martin was the smallest of the bunch and is coming off an injury. I feel very strongly that we could have gotten him in the fourth round, and probably in the 5th. This is one of the things that kills me about this FO. They identify guys they like, and then they need that guy regardless of the value. Sure, Martin may be better, but is he that much better than a Buchanan, Bassa, Mondon, or Paul who we could have gotten rounds later? Hell, UDFA Chandler Martin is almost a physical copy who a lot of people liked late for us.
3b) DB Upton Stout - Another surprise. I like addressing the position here, and I like Stout in general, but he is SO small. I'm not fundamentally opposed to taking a chance on physical outliers, but if you're going to do that, it's got to be a value. Stout doesn't feel like a value here. I would have rather they took Jacob Parrish at 75 and came back and addressed another position here. And we're still thin at the CB spot with no real viable backup on the outside.
4a) CJ West - This is probably my favorite pick, I'm just not sure how it looks in light of the Collins pick. I would have said before the draft that both guys are NTs. Can he drop a little weight and play three-technique? He's really squatty and lacks length, but he's pretty quick and has really heavy hands. If we hadn't taken Collins in the second, I would love this pick. But now, I think there's a fair argument that our three best DTs are all best-suited to play 0-2 and I'm not sure who plays 3.
4b) WR Jordan Watkins - Some real questions about this pick. Watkins has some upside given legit speed, but he wasn't very productive in college outside of a couple games. 48% of his receiving yards and 78% (!!!) of his TDs this past year came in two games. Kyle's comments on why they took him almost all focused on the senior bowl and the combine. And that's not nothing, but number one should be his film. I don't hate the pick, but yet again this seems like a guy who we could have taken much later.
5a) RB Jordan James - I like this pick. Not the flashiest guy, and I would have taken DJ Giddens ahead of him, but he's the solid, reliable backup to McCaffrey that we probably needed more than the flashy guys - particularly if Guerendo can develop into a solid third-down back. I was worried when we traded Mason that we would use a second or third-round pick to replace him. I'm glad we held off. I haven't watched a ton of James, but he's one of several RBs that I liked in this range.
5b) S Marques Sigle - Not gonna lie, I had never heard of this guy before. Which is a bit surprising as I looked into a fair number of safeties. Got to love the speed, though it sounds like he isn't a true FS and has more experience playing in the box. Hopefully he can demonstrate some ability as a high safety as we could certainly use the range he offers on the back end. Particularly given that Mustapha might be out to start the year, it's good that we've got a number of guys who can compete to replace him.
7a) QB Kurtis Rourke - I like this pick. Why not take a chance on a late-round QB with size and leadership qualities who likely fell several rounds due to an injury? Low-risk, potentially high reward move, and we should be doing this sort of thing every year. I'm not sure how good the physical tools are, but he's obviously got toughness and leadership. Hopefully he can at least demonstrate that he can be a solid backup for the next several years.
7b) OL Connor Colby - We finally take an OL. And...he's an IOL-only prospect. Not going to hold that against him. I like this pick, and I'm optimistic he can challenge for a roster spot. I just wish we had done anything this offseason to address the glaring hole at backup OT. Colby comes from a similar system and has elite movement skills, though he's another guy who seems like more of a run-blocker than pass-blocker. Hopefully he can develop his pass-blockin.
7c) WR/PR Junior Bergen - No idea who this guy was. Interesting choice. Mediocre measurables (generously), small, not particularly fast or quick. He was a lethal return man at a lower level of competition. Fine to use almost the last pick on the draft on him, but I would have taken OT Logan Brown over him FOR SURE.
Anyway, not a great draft, not an awful draft as I see things right now. But time will tell. Let's hope our FO saw the right things in these guys and, regardless of whether they were perceived as reaches at one time, they develop into great players.
Big Picture
I'll start with the positive. They identified an area of difficulty and attacked it. This run D should be head-and-shoulders above what we put out there last year. We added maybe the two best DL in the draft against the run in Williams and Collins, and West may not be far behind. You could argue that our struggles against the run were our biggest issue last year - and there were plenty to choose from.
They picked up players who should at the very least compete to start. I expect Williams and Collins to be day one starters. Martin should challenge at the very least for the starting SLB spot, and has a good chance of winning the WLB role as they don't seem to love Winters. Stout could start at the nickel corner, and West could start at the other DT spot - at least on base downs.
They held off longer than I thought they would on RB and, to a lesser extent, WR. They re-stocked our needs on the defensive side of the ball pretty well, adding size and physicality up front and speed on the back. They also took a chance on a late-round QB with some upside.
For the negative, they yet again come out of the draft without an OT, and only have two on the roster. I get that they weren't able to draft one in the early rounds. The value just wasn't there, and several guys went right before our picks in early rounds who might have been possibilities. But to not use a 7th round pick or bring in an UDFA is a huge head-scratcher.
And as we've come to expect from this FO, they had many picks that seemed like huge reaches. It's always hard to pinpoint a reach as we don't know where guys would otherwise go, but both third-round picks went at least a round above where I think they would have gone if we didn't take them, and Watkins seemed to go a round or two early, too.
And as much as I loved addressing the run defense, I'm not entirely clear on how we're going to get pressure on the QB. This team still has pretty significant holes, as well.
The Picks
1) DE Mykel Williams - I don't love the pick, but I wasn't going to love the pick here given the value (or relative lack thereof) up high in this draft. Williams should be a very safe pick who, at the very least, is a really good run defender from day one. Hopefully he can develop as a pass rusher with more opportunities, but you're rolling the die there a little bit. Overall, I was satisfied with this pick, though I would have preferred to take Nolen or Harmon to play three-technique DT and addressed DE in round two with Scourton or Tuimoloau.
2) DT Alfred Collins - I thought this was high for a one-dimensional run-stuffer, especially in a draft with so many of those guys. I wanted to prioritize three-tech early and take our run-stuffer in rounds four or five (West, Caldwell, Phillips, Pegues). He's got really intriguing physical tools with his size and length, so you've got to hope that he can develop some pass-rush moves, but right now that's far from certain. When combined with Williams, I have serious questions about our four starting DL generating pressure.
3a) LB Nick Martin - This was a real surprise. There were a lot of LBs with this undersized, athletic profile, and pick 75 seemed really early for any of them. Martin was the smallest of the bunch and is coming off an injury. I feel very strongly that we could have gotten him in the fourth round, and probably in the 5th. This is one of the things that kills me about this FO. They identify guys they like, and then they need that guy regardless of the value. Sure, Martin may be better, but is he that much better than a Buchanan, Bassa, Mondon, or Paul who we could have gotten rounds later? Hell, UDFA Chandler Martin is almost a physical copy who a lot of people liked late for us.
3b) DB Upton Stout - Another surprise. I like addressing the position here, and I like Stout in general, but he is SO small. I'm not fundamentally opposed to taking a chance on physical outliers, but if you're going to do that, it's got to be a value. Stout doesn't feel like a value here. I would have rather they took Jacob Parrish at 75 and came back and addressed another position here. And we're still thin at the CB spot with no real viable backup on the outside.
4a) CJ West - This is probably my favorite pick, I'm just not sure how it looks in light of the Collins pick. I would have said before the draft that both guys are NTs. Can he drop a little weight and play three-technique? He's really squatty and lacks length, but he's pretty quick and has really heavy hands. If we hadn't taken Collins in the second, I would love this pick. But now, I think there's a fair argument that our three best DTs are all best-suited to play 0-2 and I'm not sure who plays 3.
4b) WR Jordan Watkins - Some real questions about this pick. Watkins has some upside given legit speed, but he wasn't very productive in college outside of a couple games. 48% of his receiving yards and 78% (!!!) of his TDs this past year came in two games. Kyle's comments on why they took him almost all focused on the senior bowl and the combine. And that's not nothing, but number one should be his film. I don't hate the pick, but yet again this seems like a guy who we could have taken much later.
5a) RB Jordan James - I like this pick. Not the flashiest guy, and I would have taken DJ Giddens ahead of him, but he's the solid, reliable backup to McCaffrey that we probably needed more than the flashy guys - particularly if Guerendo can develop into a solid third-down back. I was worried when we traded Mason that we would use a second or third-round pick to replace him. I'm glad we held off. I haven't watched a ton of James, but he's one of several RBs that I liked in this range.
5b) S Marques Sigle - Not gonna lie, I had never heard of this guy before. Which is a bit surprising as I looked into a fair number of safeties. Got to love the speed, though it sounds like he isn't a true FS and has more experience playing in the box. Hopefully he can demonstrate some ability as a high safety as we could certainly use the range he offers on the back end. Particularly given that Mustapha might be out to start the year, it's good that we've got a number of guys who can compete to replace him.
7a) QB Kurtis Rourke - I like this pick. Why not take a chance on a late-round QB with size and leadership qualities who likely fell several rounds due to an injury? Low-risk, potentially high reward move, and we should be doing this sort of thing every year. I'm not sure how good the physical tools are, but he's obviously got toughness and leadership. Hopefully he can at least demonstrate that he can be a solid backup for the next several years.
7b) OL Connor Colby - We finally take an OL. And...he's an IOL-only prospect. Not going to hold that against him. I like this pick, and I'm optimistic he can challenge for a roster spot. I just wish we had done anything this offseason to address the glaring hole at backup OT. Colby comes from a similar system and has elite movement skills, though he's another guy who seems like more of a run-blocker than pass-blocker. Hopefully he can develop his pass-blockin.
7c) WR/PR Junior Bergen - No idea who this guy was. Interesting choice. Mediocre measurables (generously), small, not particularly fast or quick. He was a lethal return man at a lower level of competition. Fine to use almost the last pick on the draft on him, but I would have taken OT Logan Brown over him FOR SURE.
Anyway, not a great draft, not an awful draft as I see things right now. But time will tell. Let's hope our FO saw the right things in these guys and, regardless of whether they were perceived as reaches at one time, they develop into great players.
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damn, wanted us to pick up Pat Conroy as a FB replacement for Juice but the Raiders got him
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Saleh's influence on the draft.
https://www.nbcsportsbayarea.com/nfl/san-francisco-49ers/robert-saleh-defense-2025-draft/1846248/
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CrimsonCrew wrote:I've had a little time to digest the draft. My relatively brief (okay, probably not) take after looking at least a bit into these guys:
Big Picture
I'll start with the positive. They identified an area of difficulty and attacked it. This run D should be head-and-shoulders above what we put out there last year. We added maybe the two best DL in the draft against the run in Williams and Collins, and West may not be far behind. You could argue that our struggles against the run were our biggest issue last year - and there were plenty to choose from.
They picked up players who should at the very least compete to start. I expect Williams and Collins to be day one starters. Martin should challenge at the very least for the starting SLB spot, and has a good chance of winning the WLB role as they don't seem to love Winters. Stout could start at the nickel corner, and West could start at the other DT spot - at least on base downs.
They held off longer than I thought they would on RB and, to a lesser extent, WR. They re-stocked our needs on the defensive side of the ball pretty well, adding size and physicality up front and speed on the back. They also took a chance on a late-round QB with some upside.
For the negative, they yet again come out of the draft without an OT, and only have two on the roster. I get that they weren't able to draft one in the early rounds. The value just wasn't there, and several guys went right before our picks in early rounds who might have been possibilities. But to not use a 7th round pick or bring in an UDFA is a huge head-scratcher.
And as we've come to expect from this FO, they had many picks that seemed like huge reaches. It's always hard to pinpoint a reach as we don't know where guys would otherwise go, but both third-round picks went at least a round above where I think they would have gone if we didn't take them, and Watkins seemed to go a round or two early, too.
And as much as I loved addressing the run defense, I'm not entirely clear on how we're going to get pressure on the QB. This team still has pretty significant holes, as well.
The Picks
1) DE Mykel Williams - I don't love the pick, but I wasn't going to love the pick here given the value (or relative lack thereof) up high in this draft. Williams should be a very safe pick who, at the very least, is a really good run defender from day one. Hopefully he can develop as a pass rusher with more opportunities, but you're rolling the die there a little bit. Overall, I was satisfied with this pick, though I would have preferred to take Nolen or Harmon to play three-technique DT and addressed DE in round two with Scourton or Tuimoloau.
2) DT Alfred Collins - I thought this was high for a one-dimensional run-stuffer, especially in a draft with so many of those guys. I wanted to prioritize three-tech early and take our run-stuffer in rounds four or five (West, Caldwell, Phillips, Pegues). He's got really intriguing physical tools with his size and length, so you've got to hope that he can develop some pass-rush moves, but right now that's far from certain. When combined with Williams, I have serious questions about our four starting DL generating pressure.
3a) LB Nick Martin - This was a real surprise. There were a lot of LBs with this undersized, athletic profile, and pick 75 seemed really early for any of them. Martin was the smallest of the bunch and is coming off an injury. I feel very strongly that we could have gotten him in the fourth round, and probably in the 5th. This is one of the things that kills me about this FO. They identify guys they like, and then they need that guy regardless of the value. Sure, Martin may be better, but is he that much better than a Buchanan, Bassa, Mondon, or Paul who we could have gotten rounds later? Hell, UDFA Chandler Martin is almost a physical copy who a lot of people liked late for us.
3b) DB Upton Stout - Another surprise. I like addressing the position here, and I like Stout in general, but he is SO small. I'm not fundamentally opposed to taking a chance on physical outliers, but if you're going to do that, it's got to be a value. Stout doesn't feel like a value here. I would have rather they took Jacob Parrish at 75 and came back and addressed another position here. And we're still thin at the CB spot with no real viable backup on the outside.
4a) CJ West - This is probably my favorite pick, I'm just not sure how it looks in light of the Collins pick. I would have said before the draft that both guys are NTs. Can he drop a little weight and play three-technique? He's really squatty and lacks length, but he's pretty quick and has really heavy hands. If we hadn't taken Collins in the second, I would love this pick. But now, I think there's a fair argument that our three best DTs are all best-suited to play 0-2 and I'm not sure who plays 3.
4b) WR Jordan Watkins - Some real questions about this pick. Watkins has some upside given legit speed, but he wasn't very productive in college outside of a couple games. 48% of his receiving yards and 78% (!!!) of his TDs this past year came in two games. Kyle's comments on why they took him almost all focused on the senior bowl and the combine. And that's not nothing, but number one should be his film. I don't hate the pick, but yet again this seems like a guy who we could have taken much later.
5a) RB Jordan James - I like this pick. Not the flashiest guy, and I would have taken DJ Giddens ahead of him, but he's the solid, reliable backup to McCaffrey that we probably needed more than the flashy guys - particularly if Guerendo can develop into a solid third-down back. I was worried when we traded Mason that we would use a second or third-round pick to replace him. I'm glad we held off. I haven't watched a ton of James, but he's one of several RBs that I liked in this range.
5b) S Marques Sigle - Not gonna lie, I had never heard of this guy before. Which is a bit surprising as I looked into a fair number of safeties. Got to love the speed, though it sounds like he isn't a true FS and has more experience playing in the box. Hopefully he can demonstrate some ability as a high safety as we could certainly use the range he offers on the back end. Particularly given that Mustapha might be out to start the year, it's good that we've got a number of guys who can compete to replace him.
7a) QB Kurtis Rourke - I like this pick. Why not take a chance on a late-round QB with size and leadership qualities who likely fell several rounds due to an injury? Low-risk, potentially high reward move, and we should be doing this sort of thing every year. I'm not sure how good the physical tools are, but he's obviously got toughness and leadership. Hopefully he can at least demonstrate that he can be a solid backup for the next several years.
7b) OL Connor Colby - We finally take an OL. And...he's an IOL-only prospect. Not going to hold that against him. I like this pick, and I'm optimistic he can challenge for a roster spot. I just wish we had done anything this offseason to address the glaring hole at backup OT. Colby comes from a similar system and has elite movement skills, though he's another guy who seems like more of a run-blocker than pass-blocker. Hopefully he can develop his pass-blockin.
7c) WR/PR Junior Bergen - No idea who this guy was. Interesting choice. Mediocre measurables (generously), small, not particularly fast or quick. He was a lethal return man at a lower level of competition. Fine to use almost the last pick on the draft on him, but I would have taken OT Logan Brown over him FOR SURE.
Anyway, not a great draft, not an awful draft as I see things right now. But time will tell. Let's hope our FO saw the right things in these guys and, regardless of whether they were perceived as reaches at one time, they develop into great players.
I have a more positive opinion on the draft and maybe it's just viewing the ole rose-tinted fan glasses.
And my opinion is partly due to giving Saleh the benefit of the doubt as I might not love the scheme but Saleh has a good track record when it comes to the defensive roster.
I'm also not one to get overly fixated on value as I feel that's driven by the draft analysts and that analysis bleeds over to the fan perception of value. Not that value isn't important it's just I place way more importance in the player actually being good than if we took them a round or two early. I also think that teams believe that if they highly value a prospect there is likely other teams that have the same view which is why you see are perceived reaches.
Last year we were considered one of the worst values in the draft but I'd say we had one of the better draft classes in the league. Value is an issue with the team but the bigger issue is the players we've taken have sucked. A 3rd rounder for a kicker is always going to be terrible value but nobody would be complaining about it if Moody was automatic from 55+ yards.
The first two picks of the draft I'm bullish on because I think they can be coached up and that's why you pay coaches to develop guys. As long as these guys have the tools in the toolbox to do it and are willing to put in the work you should be able to coach them into being better players.
I also don't mind having some overlap with Collins and West because I want to see more of a rotation on the defensive line. The best defenses IMO are the ones that can rotate their line and keep guys fresh in the 4th quarter. Also it's nice to have an option to have them both on the field when it's a 3rd or 4th and short. There simply isn't a lot of offensive lines that would be able to really drive them off the ball in those scenarios. I mean if our offensive line had to go against both in that scenario our only hope would be Brendel tripping them on his way down to the ground.
We pretty much drafted a lot of clones of players we had when Saleh was here. West is a DJ Jones clone, Nick Martin is a Greenlaw clone, Stout is a K"Waun Williams clone, and Sigle is a Jimmie Ward clone. So I can see the vision of what Saleh is trying to build and it's just a matter if he's right about his picks.
Biggest knock though is the lack of a premium pick on the offensive line. It's like there wasn't at least one potential Puni we could've taken in this draft? I'm only letting it slightly slide because at least they used those premium picks to fix a huge need. But with all these picks on defense we made this draft I can't forgive ignoring the offensive line next draft.
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Hold the phones! Austen Pleasants split snaps at OT in our last two games last year. So I was wrong when I said we only had two guys who have even taken a snap at OT on the roster. Feeling much better about that spot now. (Sarcasm.)
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49ers comp picks in next year's draft
Now that the 2025 NFL Draft is over, compensatory picks for the 2026 NFL Draft have been designated. Per Over the Cap, the San Franciscio 49ers were awarded three comp picks in next year’s draft:
4th round - Aaron Banks
4th round - Charvarius Ward
5th round - Talanoa Hufanga
Now that the 2025 NFL Draft is over, compensatory picks for the 2026 NFL Draft have been designated. Per Over the Cap, the San Franciscio 49ers were awarded three comp picks in next year’s draft:
4th round - Aaron Banks
4th round - Charvarius Ward
5th round - Talanoa Hufanga
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Jikkle wrote:I have a more positive opinion on the draft and maybe it's just viewing the ole rose-tinted fan glasses.
And my opinion is partly due to giving Saleh the benefit of the doubt as I might not love the scheme but Saleh has a good track record when it comes to the defensive roster.
I'm also not one to get overly fixated on value as I feel that's driven by the draft analysts and that analysis bleeds over to the fan perception of value. Not that value isn't important it's just I place way more importance in the player actually being good than if we took them a round or two early. I also think that teams believe that if they highly value a prospect there is likely other teams that have the same view which is why you see are perceived reaches.
Last year we were considered one of the worst values in the draft but I'd say we had one of the better draft classes in the league. Value is an issue with the team but the bigger issue is the players we've taken have sucked. A 3rd rounder for a kicker is always going to be terrible value but nobody would be complaining about it if Moody was automatic from 55+ yards.
The first two picks of the draft I'm bullish on because I think they can be coached up and that's why you pay coaches to develop guys. As long as these guys have the tools in the toolbox to do it and are willing to put in the work you should be able to coach them into being better players.
I also don't mind having some overlap with Collins and West because I want to see more of a rotation on the defensive line. The best defenses IMO are the ones that can rotate their line and keep guys fresh in the 4th quarter. Also it's nice to have an option to have them both on the field when it's a 3rd or 4th and short. There simply isn't a lot of offensive lines that would be able to really drive them off the ball in those scenarios. I mean if our offensive line had to go against both in that scenario our only hope would be Brendel tripping them on his way down to the ground.
We pretty much drafted a lot of clones of players we had when Saleh was here. West is a DJ Jones clone, Nick Martin is a Greenlaw clone, Stout is a K"Waun Williams clone, and Sigle is a Jimmie Ward clone. So I can see the vision of what Saleh is trying to build and it's just a matter if he's right about his picks.
Biggest knock though is the lack of a premium pick on the offensive line. It's like there wasn't at least one potential Puni we could've taken in this draft? I'm only letting it slightly slide because at least they used those premium picks to fix a huge need. But with all these picks on defense we made this draft I can't forgive ignoring the offensive line next draft.
I may have come across as too pessimistic, especially about Williams. I actually quite like the Williams pick in general, and he's probably a safer pick than either of the DTs, who would have been bigger reaches. Williams has a high floor and a high ceiling, which was somewhat rare at the top of this draft. He's already a beast against the run, and considering the limiting scheme he played in, the injury he played through, and the physical traits, there is real reason for optimism that he can be a presence as a pass-rusher. He also has some inside-outside versatility. Worth a shot in this draft where there was a group of guys from like 9 to 25 who were all promising yet more flawed than you expect for guys going in the top-16 of a draft.
Related, in terms of the pass rush questions, it may very well be that the plan is to play some "edge" guys in Williams, Gross-Matos, and even Okuayinino inside more often in obvious passing situations. I'm still struggling to see four legit pass-rushers across this defensive line, but maybe you get some push/penetration from these guys on the inside. Or maybe with the added beef at DT you can reduce the snaps for Elliott and Givens and let them focus on more of a pure pass-rush role and hope they excel at that. There are options, at least.
As frustrated as I am with the approach to the OT position, the value wasn't there in this draft. The top three guys went before pick 11, which was then too high for Connerly given some heft concerns (though I loved mocks where he fell to 43) and for Simmons given the injury. We could have taken Ersery in the second, but he's a pretty risky pick who needs a lot of development. I don't think Emery Jones in the third fits our scheme. Wyatt Milum should have been tempting there, but he's an inside guy only given the length concerns.
Charles Grant went one pick before 100. No one of substance at OT went in the 4th and 5th (update: actually, Carson Vinson would have been interesting in the 5th), and we didn't have a pick in the 6th. I would have strongly considered Marcua Mbow in the 5th to move inside (would have strongly considered him in the 4th), or Miles Frazier also on the inside. Chase Lundt, Ajani Cornelius, or Cameron Williams (not a great scheme fit and needs a lot of refinement, but great value in the 6th) would have been super tempting if we had a pick in round 6. I guess you could be upset that they didn't try to trade up for one of these guys. I liked Jack Nelson to move to guard in the 7th, but he went before our pick. I certainly would have taken Logan Brown in the 7th, but there's presumably a reason he went undrafted. Still, I would have made him a priority UDFA. Or again, taken LITERALLY ANYONE.
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Pattersonca65 wrote:49ers comp picks in next year's draft
Now that the 2025 NFL Draft is over, compensatory picks for the 2026 NFL Draft have been designated. Per Over the Cap, the San Franciscio 49ers were awarded three comp picks in next year’s draft:
4th round - Aaron Banks
4th round - Charvarius Ward
5th round - Talanoa Hufanga
Not official yet, but it's looking good. That said, the way they've screwed us on comp picks lately (giving us a lower pick for Jimmy based on limited playing time but then not giving us a better pick for Darnold based on dramatically exceeding his contract), I won't take anything for granted. Lots of positions we could have taken with what should have been the fourth-round pick for Darnold - maybe doubling up at CB, LB, or DE, taking an OT, drafting a TE.
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Jikkle wrote:I have a more positive opinion on the draft and maybe it's just viewing the ole rose-tinted fan glasses.
And my opinion is partly due to giving Saleh the benefit of the doubt as I might not love the scheme but Saleh has a good track record when it comes to the defensive roster.
I'm also not one to get overly fixated on value as I feel that's driven by the draft analysts and that analysis bleeds over to the fan perception of value. Not that value isn't important it's just I place way more importance in the player actually being good than if we took them a round or two early. I also think that teams believe that if they highly value a prospect there is likely other teams that have the same view which is why you see are perceived reaches.
Last year we were considered one of the worst values in the draft but I'd say we had one of the better draft classes in the league. Value is an issue with the team but the bigger issue is the players we've taken have sucked. A 3rd rounder for a kicker is always going to be terrible value but nobody would be complaining about it if Moody was automatic from 55+ yards.
The first two picks of the draft I'm bullish on because I think they can be coached up and that's why you pay coaches to develop guys. As long as these guys have the tools in the toolbox to do it and are willing to put in the work you should be able to coach them into being better players.
I also don't mind having some overlap with Collins and West because I want to see more of a rotation on the defensive line. The best defenses IMO are the ones that can rotate their line and keep guys fresh in the 4th quarter. Also it's nice to have an option to have them both on the field when it's a 3rd or 4th and short. There simply isn't a lot of offensive lines that would be able to really drive them off the ball in those scenarios. I mean if our offensive line had to go against both in that scenario our only hope would be Brendel tripping them on his way down to the ground.
We pretty much drafted a lot of clones of players we had when Saleh was here. West is a DJ Jones clone, Nick Martin is a Greenlaw clone, Stout is a K"Waun Williams clone, and Sigle is a Jimmie Ward clone. So I can see the vision of what Saleh is trying to build and it's just a matter if he's right about his picks.
Biggest knock though is the lack of a premium pick on the offensive line. It's like there wasn't at least one potential Puni we could've taken in this draft? I'm only letting it slightly slide because at least they used those premium picks to fix a huge need. But with all these picks on defense we made this draft I can't forgive ignoring the offensive line next draft.
Breaking this into two posts so it's not so long.
I generally agree with you in terms of value. As you say, that "value" is based on things like mock drafts - few of which go into later rounds - and the handful of guys who actually rank 300+ players. You've got to trust the teams and their evaluation staffs to some extent over the pundits. HOWEVER, in this particular case, you're talking about taking players who are real outliers in terms of size.
Martin is 2nd percentile for weight and 6th percentile for height. His arm length is better at 33rd percentile, but you're still talking about a guy with marginal NFL size. Granted he's pretty similar in size to Dee Winters, but Winters is another dramatically undersized player who was drafted in the late 6th round. Greenlaw and Al-Shaair were also undersized (though both 10+ pounds heavier than Martin), but they were also a 5th round pick and an UDFA.
Stout is even worse in terms of size. He's 1st percentile for height and 6th percentile for weight with 8th percentile arm length. DJ Reed and K'Waun Williams were very undersized (though both bigger than Stout) and they were a 5th round pick and an UDFA. As said, you can absolutely draft those types of guys, but I think they should be real values when you draft them due to the longshot for guys with those measurables actually hitting. Drafting two physical outliers back-to-back in the third round, especially in a really deep draft, calls the decision-making into question IMO. If those guys aren't Dre Greenlaw and K'Waun Williams, we're in some real trouble. Taking those players so early when we have so many needs really increases the pressure on them and the team.
Oh, and re: value, the Watkins pick mostly stands out because his college production was just so weird. Five seasons at two schools, and he averaged just over 500 yards a season. His best season was under 1,000 yards, though he did have 9 TDs. Two HUGE games this past season (accounting for almost half his yards and 7/9 TDs), but no others over 100 yards receiving, and he didn't crack 60 in half his games. In 2023 he started out fairly hot with 57 yards or more in his first six, and cracked 100 three times, but then he completely fell off (maybe there was a nagging injury?). Again, value is kind of a construct in this situation, but his production does not scream 4th round pick in this draft.
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CrimsonCrew wrote:Hold the phones! Austen Pleasants split snaps at OT in our last two games last year. So I was wrong when I said we only had two guys who have even taken a snap at OT on the roster. Feeling much better about that spot now. (Sarcasm.)
Drew Moss also played RT for 2 seasons before moving to guard. Definitely has more of a guard's body (short arms) but having game experience at RT can't hurt. Also read that Colby has been practicing snaps since the combine in anticipation that a team may want to try him at C.
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Samurai wrote:CrimsonCrew wrote:Hold the phones! Austen Pleasants split snaps at OT in our last two games last year. So I was wrong when I said we only had two guys who have even taken a snap at OT on the roster. Feeling much better about that spot now. (Sarcasm.)
Drew Moss also played RT for 2 seasons before moving to guard. Definitely has more of a guard's body (short arms) but having game experience at RT can't hurt. Also read that Colby has been practicing snaps since the combine in anticipation that a team may want to try him at C.
I want to try him at C!!! I want to try anyone at C!!!!!!
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Maybe related?CrimsonCrew wrote:Hold the phones! Austen Pleasants split snaps at OT in our last two games last year. So I was wrong when I said we only had two guys who have even taken a snap at OT on the roster. Feeling much better about that spot now. (Sarcasm.)

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RIPskaterdude wrote:Maybe related?CrimsonCrew wrote:Hold the phones! Austen Pleasants split snaps at OT in our last two games last year. So I was wrong when I said we only had two guys who have even taken a snap at OT on the roster. Feeling much better about that spot now. (Sarcasm.)
Figured they'd have to make a move like this. Doesn't count against the comp pick formula at this point. Humphries has a fair bit of starting experience, but hasn't been particularly good. On limited snaps last year (92), he had a PFF grade of 44.8 with a pass-blocking grade of 30.5 (130th of 140 qualifying OTs). Decent run-blocker at 66.1. Let's hope he doesn't see the field....
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i mean this is what Kyle said, they'll just pick up whatever leftovers the league drops for us throughout the process. we should probably come to terms that this team just doesn't value OL at all. i'm kinda shocked they even gave Trent big money at this point.
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CrimsonCrew wrote:Samurai wrote:CrimsonCrew wrote:Hold the phones! Austen Pleasants split snaps at OT in our last two games last year. So I was wrong when I said we only had two guys who have even taken a snap at OT on the roster. Feeling much better about that spot now. (Sarcasm.)
Drew Moss also played RT for 2 seasons before moving to guard. Definitely has more of a guard's body (short arms) but having game experience at RT can't hurt. Also read that Colby has been practicing snaps since the combine in anticipation that a team may want to try him at C.
I want to try him at C!!! I want to try anyone at C!!!!!!
I really 2nd this motion.
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CrimsonCrew wrote:RIPskaterdude wrote:Maybe related?CrimsonCrew wrote:Hold the phones! Austen Pleasants split snaps at OT in our last two games last year. So I was wrong when I said we only had two guys who have even taken a snap at OT on the roster. Feeling much better about that spot now. (Sarcasm.)
Figured they'd have to make a move like this. Doesn't count against the comp pick formula at this point. Humphries has a fair bit of starting experience, but hasn't been particularly good. On limited snaps last year (92), he had a PFF grade of 44.8 with a pass-blocking grade of 30.5 (130th of 140 qualifying OTs). Decent run-blocker at 66.1. Let's hope he doesn't see the field....
While his PFF last season was bad, remember it was a sample size of only 2 games, and those were his first games back after tearing his ACL. He was also a Pro Bowler in 2021. My guess is, if healthy, he will be better than his PFF grade from last season but at 31 not as good as he was in his Pro Bowl season. Assuming he is somewhere in the middle, will he be a back-up OT able to give Trent a blow when Trent invariably misses a few games or replace McKivitz as our starting RT? Humphries hasn't played RT since 2016; he's been a full-time LT since then. Hopefully he gets a fair shot at an open competition with McKivitz and let the best man win the job.
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good news is 2026 looks like a crappy class everywhere except OL, maybe we'll have no choice but to double or triple dip into the OL in that class instead.
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I love Minnesota's UDFA haul, and expected us to make similar moves with a big class - granted we had the most actual draft picks in the league and they only drafted five players. They're bringing in 20 players, including QB Max Brosmer, OT Logan Brown, TE Benjamin Yurosek, and DE Tyler Batty. I did a bunch of mocks where I drafted Brown, Yurosek, and Batty in the late rounds.
The thing that confounds me about our approach to UDFA is that we didn't really try to address a lot of the holes we still had after the draft. The most glaring is passing on all of the OTs, but several other positions we simply did not address stand out, too.
Why not another TE to compete with Willis and Tonges? CJ Dippre, Jalin Conyers, Ben Yurosek, Caden Prieskorn, and Jake Biringstool are all interesting guys. Why not a pass-rush DE as we really don't have any true pass-rushers (assuming Drake Jackson is done) and may want to shift Williams and/or Gross-Matos inside on pass-rush downs? There were several tempting options in Jah Joyner, Kaimon Rucker, and Tyler Batty.
The thing that confounds me about our approach to UDFA is that we didn't really try to address a lot of the holes we still had after the draft. The most glaring is passing on all of the OTs, but several other positions we simply did not address stand out, too.
Why not another TE to compete with Willis and Tonges? CJ Dippre, Jalin Conyers, Ben Yurosek, Caden Prieskorn, and Jake Biringstool are all interesting guys. Why not a pass-rush DE as we really don't have any true pass-rushers (assuming Drake Jackson is done) and may want to shift Williams and/or Gross-Matos inside on pass-rush downs? There were several tempting options in Jah Joyner, Kaimon Rucker, and Tyler Batty.
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I just watched a short video of the Shrine Bowl one-on-ones to get a look at Sigle. He wasn't great; did a decent job of staying in phase, but wasn't locating the ball and held once or twice. But Isiah Neyor was one of the WRs, and he really popped. He was destroying CBs. Great size, got past them effortlessly. Caught a deep ball over his shoulder in stride. He's supposed to be pretty raw and has some injury history, but he's a really intriguing UDFA. I wouldn't be at all surprised if he makes the roster in some capacity.
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Apparently the Niners spent $92K on UDFA bonuses this year, as compared to almost $1 million last year. I don't like it. This is an incredibly deep class, and there were good players out there at positions where we desperately need young depth.