2025 Playoffs: Round 1, Game 4: Cleveland @ Miami - 7:30pm EST on 4/28

[RRR3]

Jeez why do both coaches still have the starters in. Let the kids get some run

Spo probably still thinks we have a chance lol

*Pat

[contract]

This game will end with Dean Wade standing on the scorers table screaming "This is my house!" ... and then the Wade statue will make perfect sense.

[Heat_Down_Under]

Durant is 37 that's the wrong move.

Exactly… your going to gut the team for a 1-2 year chance at a title (and that’s hoping durant stays healthy)

Still think this team needs Trae young.. get the bigs easy buckets and give his own offense

[Tim_Hardawayy]

Why are we even talking about LeBron he's completely irrelevant to this team? Some of yall are deranged about him.

People just discussing Heat past, since there's nothing in the present worth talking about. I wanted to talk about the 90's Heat but I'm too old some of you weren't even around for that.

[oreon]

Why are we even talking about LeBron he's completely irrelevant to this team? Some of yall are deranged about him.

Nah let them talk. Board is about to get awfully quiet from now till the offseason. Not much else to look foward to except for the 20th pick

[Tony15]

I don't think there's any conspiracy. Lebron just choked. The way Drake is getting clowned after the Kendrick beef was how Lebron was getting clowned after the Dallas final loss. I don't think he would sabotage Wade just to be a laughing stock for a full year. That loss was the lowest part of his career and probably one of the lowest in his life. People forget how hated he was, how much pressure he was under and how much the whole NBA fandom celebrated him & Miami getting embarrassed.

I don't know about that. In terms of overall legacy, it was better for him to 1) not have his first ring come with him not being the best player on the team and 2) give his contemporary/competition (friend or not) additional hardware. Think about it. If they never won another championship as a big 3, Wade has 2 championships and 2 FMVPs. Even if they won the next, Wade has 4 championships and 2 FMVPs, an a much better argument against LeBron.

Then it would have made more sense for him to hog the ball from Wade than just hide which made him look terrible and STILL gets brought up. If he had won in 2011 he's probably considered GOAT by many more by now, no one cares that Bird played like **** in one of the finals he won.

I’ve heard people surmise that 2012 & 2013 ‘ships wouldn’t have happened had we handled business in 2011….I find that absurd. The only damn thing losing that series did was cost Wade a well-deserved second FMVP, because he was cooking DAL.


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[DayofMourning]

Nobody cutting. Ever.

[Beenie]

When the team loses 10 in a row, blows a plethora of 4th quarter leads, scores single digit quarters on multiple occasions, most logical fans arent wired to think that losing out on a lottery pick that features a generational talent is worth surrendering for the privilege of getting smoked in the first round.

Most logical fans looked at the nuance in those 10 losses, along with the other losses on the season. Not getting into a dick swinging contest with you, I don't know the prize for being right but hey you called it we got swept. Congrats

The prize is the shame the team will hopefully feel to compel them to make wholesale changes.

[DorianRo]

Loved Wade in 2006. After that I don't know what happened. He had a big 09 I believe? After 2006 I actually thought "Damn that closes to MJ-esque" Basketball I've seen. 2006 I really thought Wade was gonna be the 2nd coming of MJ.

He had his meniscus in his left knee removed in college. That's what stopped him from being the goat.

I'm pretty convinced no one will ever be able to surpass MJ as GOAT in the eyes of the public due to the narrative around him. I'm not saying LeBron did surpass MJ btw, just the crazy standards I see MJ fans hold anyone who threatens him to....yeesh. Besides if LBJ doesn't come here, Wade probably has what like 1 ring? Maybe 2? You can be GOAT with 1-2 rings but no one will admit it, look at Wilt.

Well Can't be GOAT with just 4 rings in 22 seasons along with a losing finals record. (Lebron is lucky won 2 of them really, He probably doesn't beat GS if Draymond wasn't suspended and then one finals against the Spurs he almost lost the Ray Allen 3 came out big in the clutch). MJ did more than KD/Durant did in 30 plus seasons.


Its gonna take someone to really come along and dominate in 10-15 year span and nab 7-8 titles and FMVPs. Thats gonna be hard. Its what MJ did in such a short amount of time that makes him GOAT

[SerialChiller]

I don't think there's any conspiracy. Lebron just choked. The way Drake is getting clowned after the Kendrick beef was how Lebron was getting clowned after the Dallas final loss. I don't think he would sabotage Wade just to be a laughing stock for a full year. That loss was the lowest part of his career and probably one of the lowest in his life. People forget how hated he was, how much pressure he was under and how much the whole NBA fandom celebrated him & Miami getting embarrassed.

Sure & the only woman he's slept with during his NBA career is his wife

I think the fact that Wade took over the series bothered him and contributed to him getting stuck in his own head + checking out. The moment was also too big for him it seemed. I agree no way he threw the series purposefully that makes no sense.

Spo did a poor job of coaching by not having Wade and Lebron run pick and rolls with Wade handling. Or even starting Chalmers until the series was all but over. But I think Lebron was getting guarded a lot by smaller players who where too quick for him to drive by, and he wasn't confident in his post game yet. So he resorted to trying to just shoot over them and when his shot wasn't falling he basically got passive and choked. The pressure to win after the move to Miami was huge, no way he threw the series. People who think that make me just shake my head.

[DayofMourning]

Why are we even talking about LeBron he's completely irrelevant to this team? Some of yall are deranged about him.

People just discussing Heat past, since there's nothing in the present worth talking about. I wanted to talk about the 90's Heat but I'm too old some of you weren't even around for that.

I remember convulsing when Houston hit that shot. That was the worst.

[Enso]

I don't think there's any conspiracy. Lebron just choked. The way Drake is getting clowned after the Kendrick beef was how Lebron was getting clowned after the Dallas final loss. I don't think he would sabotage Wade just to be a laughing stock for a full year. That loss was the lowest part of his career and probably one of the lowest in his life. People forget how hated he was, how much pressure he was under and how much the whole NBA fandom celebrated him & Miami getting embarrassed.

I don't know about that. In terms of overall legacy, it was better for him to 1) not have his first ring come with him not being the best player on the team. He would have never lived that down, but he knew that winning in the future would erase that. Which it effectively has. And 2) not give his contemporary/competition (friend or not) additional hardware. Think about it. If they never won another championship as a big 3, Wade has 2 championships and 2 FMVPs. Even if they won the next, Wade has 4 championships and 2 FMVPs, an a much better argument against LeBron.

LeBron is obsessed with his image and legacy, that's why he went back to Cleveland (he understood a ring there was the only thing that could get him in the talks vs MJ besides winning 10 rings and it was always gonna be easier winning 1 in Cleveland than 10 overall), that's why Klutch so carefully works the media now. He's exactly the type of personality I can see rationalizing it would be better to just not win than have his first ring come on Wade's coattails, especially since he saw the narrative built up around Kobe after the Shaq rings.

That's an interesting take, but I would respectfully disagree. In Hindsight afterwards yes he and his team who are PR obsessed were for sure happy he didn't win one as Robin without a FMVP, but the loss happened organically wasn't pre meditated. The PR and business move to go back to Cleveland and win 1 to rehabilitate his image is spot on though I've been preaching that for years

[DayofMourning]

Jerome wide open by 10 feet.

Has happened many times this game.

[Kobewade11]

When the team loses 10 in a row, blows a plethora of 4th quarter leads, scores single digit quarters on multiple occasions, most logical fans arent wired to think that losing out on a lottery pick that features a generational talent is worth surrendering for the privilege of getting smoked in the first round.

Most logical fans looked at the nuance in those 10 losses, along with the other losses on the season. Not getting into a dick swinging contest with you, I don't know the prize for being right but hey you called it we got swept. Congrats

The prize is the shame the team will hopefully feel to compel them to make wholesale changes.

we'll see.

[carnageta]

He had his meniscus in his left knee removed in college. That's what stopped him from being the goat.

I'm pretty convinced no one will ever be able to surpass MJ as GOAT in the eyes of the public due to the narrative around him. I'm not saying LeBron did surpass MJ btw, just the crazy standards I see MJ fans hold anyone who threatens him to....yeesh. Besides if LBJ doesn't come here, Wade probably has what like 1 ring? Maybe 2? You can be GOAT with 1-2 rings but no one will admit it, look at Wilt.

Well Can't be GOAT with just 4 rings in 22 seasons along with a losing finals record. (Lebron is lucky won 2 of them really, He probably doesn't beat GS if Draymond wasn't suspended and then one finals against the Spurs he almost lost the Ray Allen 3 came out big in the clutch). MJ did more than KD/Durant did in 30 plus seasons.


Its gonna take someone to really come along and dominate in 10-15 year span and nab 7-8 titles and FMVPs. Thats gonna be hard. It's what MJ did in such a short amount of time.

In LeBron's defence, Jordan doesn't win against the Spurs, or the stacked GS team either lol. Let's be real.

[Tony15]

Why are we even talking about LeBron he's completely irrelevant to this team? Some of yall are deranged about him.

People just discussing Heat past, since there's nothing in the present worth talking about. I wanted to talk about the 90's Heat but I'm too old some of you weren't even around for that.

I was 6 when the Allan Houston shot happened….small favors.


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[Shewasfly]

I don't think there's any conspiracy. Lebron just choked. The way Drake is getting clowned after the Kendrick beef was how Lebron was getting clowned after the Dallas final loss. I don't think he would sabotage Wade just to be a laughing stock for a full year. That loss was the lowest part of his career and probably one of the lowest in his life. People forget how hated he was, how much pressure he was under and how much the whole NBA fandom celebrated him & Miami getting embarrassed.

I don't know about that. In terms of overall legacy, it was better for him to 1) not have his first ring come with him not being the best player on the team and 2) give his contemporary/competition (friend or not) additional hardware. Think about it. If they never won another championship as a big 3, Wade has 2 championships and 2 FMVPs. Even if they won the next, Wade has 4 championships and 2 FMVPs, an a much better argument against LeBron.

At that point I don't think there is anyway their careers move forward without Lebron having a better career than Wade. Lebron was obviously built for longevity and Wade wasn't. Larry Bird wasn't Finals MVP when he won his first ring and Curry wasn't Finals MVP during one of the Warriors championships. I don't think anyone is saying that has hurt either of their legacies.

That's not really my point. I'm just saying that 4 championships and 2 FMVPs looks a lot different up against 4 championships and 4 FMVPs. And again, that's assuming there's some type of surety that he wins again after 2011, which obviously he didn't have at that time. If he doesn't, LeBron has to look at Wade with 2 championships and 1 FMVP and he with 1 championship and 0 FMVP. He clearly made a business decision for his legacy in 2011 finals.

[DayofMourning]

My 2 sides:

Take 1-The Heat need a top of the league alpha to shift everyone to their correct roles offensively.

Take 2-Maybe Bam and Herro aint it.

[RRR3]

I don't know about that. In terms of overall legacy, it was better for him to 1) not have his first ring come with him not being the best player on the team and 2) give his contemporary/competition (friend or not) additional hardware. Think about it. If they never won another championship as a big 3, Wade has 2 championships and 2 FMVPs. Even if they won the next, Wade has 4 championships and 2 FMVPs, an a much better argument against LeBron.

At that point I don't think there is anyway their careers move forward without Lebron having a better career than Wade. Lebron was obviously built for longevity and Wade wasn't. Larry Bird wasn't Finals MVP when he won his first ring and Curry wasn't Finals MVP during one of the Warriors championships. I don't think anyone is saying that has hurt either of their legacies.

That's not really my point. I'm just saying that 4 championships and 2 FMVPs looks a lot different up against 4 championships and 4 FMVPs. And again, that's assuming there's some type of surety that he wins again after 2011, which obviously he didn't have at that time. If he doesn't, LeBron has to look at Wade with 2 championships and 1 FMVP and he with 1 championship and 0 FMVP. He clearly made a business decision for his legacy in 2011 finals.

Again, considering LeBron was a primary ballhandler he could have taken matters into his own hands if he cared that much. Hiding in the corner just made it MORE likely Wade was gonna win FMVP (it's not like we were that far away from winning that series). But I am probably talking to someone who watches Joe Rogan.

[Shewasfly]

I don't think there's any conspiracy. Lebron just choked. The way Drake is getting clowned after the Kendrick beef was how Lebron was getting clowned after the Dallas final loss. I don't think he would sabotage Wade just to be a laughing stock for a full year. That loss was the lowest part of his career and probably one of the lowest in his life. People forget how hated he was, how much pressure he was under and how much the whole NBA fandom celebrated him & Miami getting embarrassed.

I don't know about that. In terms of overall legacy, it was better for him to 1) not have his first ring come with him not being the best player on the team. He would have never lived that down, but he knew that winning in the future would erase that. Which it effectively has. And 2) not give his contemporary/competition (friend or not) additional hardware. Think about it. If they never won another championship as a big 3, Wade has 2 championships and 2 FMVPs. Even if they won the next, Wade has 4 championships and 2 FMVPs, an a much better argument against LeBron.

LeBron is obsessed with his image and legacy, that's why he went back to Cleveland (he understood a ring there was the only thing that could get him in the talks vs MJ besides winning 10 rings and it was always gonna be easier winning 1 in Cleveland than 10 overall), that's why Klutch so carefully works the media now. He's exactly the type of personality I can see rationalizing it would be better to just not win than have his first ring come on Wade's coattails, especially since he saw the narrative built up around Kobe after the Shaq rings.

EXACTLY.