2025 Playoffs: Round 1, Game 4: Cleveland @ Miami - 7:30pm EST on 4/28
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Dangerously close to Heat's all time worst loss which was NBA worst loss for a long time. And it was also against the Cavs.
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Bam is a ceiling raiser.
Randle is a floor raiser.
Randle is a floor raiser.
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RRR3 wrote:DorianRo wrote:Indomitable wrote:Kobe takes that shot yesterday and attempts to score in the 4th.
Kobe goes out fighting.
That too.. Kobe was Alpha.. Lebron is Beta most of his career looking for scapegoats (coaches he ran off, various good players etc)
That's exactly why LeBron is better, LeBron is 40 he SHOULD be deferring to Luka who's a better player than him at this point.Kobe never realized stuff like this.
Lebron has deferred too much in his career IMO. He wouldn't have a losing finals record if he wasn't Beta. He was aggressive until it came down to nut cutting time in the 4th and then shrivels up. We saw it time and time again.. Also, Kobe did win 2 titles with teams really weren't all that great.. I'm And Kobe has more than 5 if he has Wade, Bosh, AD, Luka, Allen, Irving, Love and the list goes on.
You can't really ignore the fact considering all the help Lebron has had, why does the dude only have 4 titles at the end of the day. Can you think of one player thats had the supporting he has had? I can't
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Down 59 points with 3 minutes to go…. Soooo you’re telling me there’s a chance?
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Silver lining: maybe this will teach Spo to play Ware
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Can someone who thinks Randle is better than Bam please build a legitimate argument supporting that claim backed with facts and evidence? I’m legit curious, I would love to see how someone would build that argument
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carnageta wrote:Bam is a ceiling raiser.
Randle is a floor raiser.
Fair point. But Bam is on a basement team right now and Randle is in a penthouse.
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DorianRo wrote:RRR3 wrote:DorianRo wrote:
That too.. Kobe was Alpha.. Lebron is Beta most of his career looking for scapegoats (coaches he ran off, various good players etc)
That's exactly why LeBron is better, LeBron is 40 he SHOULD be deferring to Luka who's a better player than him at this point.Kobe never realized stuff like this.
Lebron has deferred too much in his career IMO. He wouldn't have a losing finals record if he wasn't Beta. He was aggressive until it came down to nut cutting time in the 4th and then shrivels up. We saw it time and time again.. Also, Kobe did win 2 titles with teams really weren't all that great.. I'm And Kobe has more than 5 if he has Wade, Bosh, AD, Allen, Irving, Love and the list goes on.
You can't really ignore the fact considering all the help Lebron has had, why does the dude only have 4 titles at the end of the day. Can you think of one player thats had the supporting he has had?
This legit looks like a Skip Bayless tweet dawg
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KDS91 wrote:contract wrote:When is Pat's press conference?
They're gonna put out an apology letter to the fans like Phoenix did a couple years ago.
Unless there's a body accompanying the letter, I don't want to hear it.
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Lebron’s longevity is amazing and only explained by taking the very best steroids money can buy. His career felt manufactured every step of the way and it took Ray’s miracle 3 to ensure he wasn’t 1-3 in the finals for his Heat tenure. Not to mention Lebron fans are quick to forget 2011 where he couldn’t let our boy Wade outshine him. He’d rather lose and go out like a loser than finish 2nd as a winner
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Ask Knicks fans who's better I guarantee they'll say Bam. And they had Randle remember
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3ammy3uck3ts wrote:Can someone who thinks Randle is better than Bam please build a legitimate argument supporting that claim backed with facts and evidence? I’m legit curious, I would love to see how someone would build that argument
Here’s an argument for why Julius Randle could be considered better than Bam Adebayo, depending on the criteria you're using—particularly in terms of offensive production and individual scoring:
1. Superior Scoring Ability
Julius Randle consistently averages more points per game than Bam Adebayo. He’s a more versatile offensive player who can score at all three levels—posting up, mid-range jumpers, and hitting threes. For example:
In multiple seasons, Randle has averaged over 22 points per game, while Bam has hovered around 19 PPG.
Randle’s ability to create his own shot and shoulder a heavier offensive load makes him more valuable as a go-to scorer.
2. Floor Spacing
Randle has developed into a legitimate three-point threat (despite inconsistency), while Bam rarely shoots threes.
In recent seasons, Randle has averaged around 5–6 three-point attempts per game, showing he can stretch the floor.
This helps open up space for teammates, something Bam doesn't offer as a primarily interior scorer.
3. Rebounding
Randle is a better rebounder statistically and physically.
He regularly averages over 9–10 rebounds per game, while Bam averages closer to 9 or fewer.
His physicality and nose for the ball give him an edge on the boards, especially on the offensive glass.
4. Playmaking from a Scorer's Role
While Bam is an elite passer for a big, Randle also provides solid playmaking—especially impressive given his primary scoring role.
Randle has averaged around 4–6 assists per game, showing he can read the floor and involve teammates, particularly when doubled.
5. All-NBA Recognition
Randle has received multiple All-NBA selections, which suggests league-wide recognition of his individual dominance.
This includes an All-NBA Second Team in 2021 and All-NBA Third Team in 2023.
Bam has made All-Defensive teams but not an All-NBA team, which shows Randle’s offensive value is considered more elite at his position.
Conclusion:
While Bam Adebayo is the better defender and more consistent team player, Julius Randle’s offensive arsenal, rebounding dominance, and ability to carry a scoring load give him the edge if you’re prioritizing individual production and offensive impact.
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carnageta wrote:Bam is a ceiling raiser.
Randle is a floor raiser.
Someone is gonna call Bam “Handsome Draymond” and 3ammy will be out for blood.
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RRR3 wrote:Silver lining: maybe this will teach Spo to play Ware
Spobit doesn’t learn from experience. He learns from data input.
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Whats the best pizza at Papa Johns?
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Umbooki wrote:carnageta wrote:Bam is a ceiling raiser.
Randle is a floor raiser.
Someone is gonna call Bam “Handsome Draymond” and 3ammy will be out for blood.
Draymond is also better than Randle
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I used this meme after they won the first round of the playin.
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contract wrote:KDS91 wrote:contract wrote:When is Pat's press conference?
They're gonna put out an apology letter to the fans like Phoenix did a couple years ago.
Unless there's a body accompanying the letter, I don't want to hear it.
They can make it up to me by moving games to broadcast tv next season.
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Kobe never realized stuff like this.




