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Re: Value of upcoming MN FA 

Post#61 » by BlacJacMac » Sun Apr 27, 2025 11:36 pm

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jpatrick wrote:Watching these playoffs, it’s clear Rudy is a liability in this environment. He’s a year from defensive player of the year. Does he have enough value that we could trade him for a quality third big and cap space. I would take even take Walker Kessler and cap space. Jabari Smith and cap space. Something like that. Getting Rudy’s 35m off the books would allow us to resign NAW/Naz.


Imagine Gobert playing with LeBron and Doncic. He would have 3-4 alley-oops every game.


And he’d catch 1-2 of them.
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Re: Value of upcoming MN FA 

Post#62 » by Rookie-Mistake » Mon Apr 28, 2025 12:33 am

What are we doing with the point guard situation?
I just don't see a fit with dillingham with this roster build, would absolutely love dyson Daniels on this roster

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Re: Value of upcoming MN FA 

Post#63 » by minimus » Mon Apr 28, 2025 5:01 am

Rookie-Mistake wrote:What are we doing with the point guard situation?
I just don't see a fit with dillingham with this roster build, would absolutely love dyson Daniels on this roster


I think Rob should be used more as Malik Monk starting next season. I mean simplified bench scorer role, with DDV starting, and Conley mentoring. Once he can give same effort in defense he has showed this season, bulk ups a bit AND learns how to act within team defense - he easily can be 12-15 PPG contributor for our bench, especially if Naz Reid and DDV move into starting five.
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Re: Value of upcoming MN FA 

Post#64 » by life_saver » Mon Apr 28, 2025 5:13 am

I'd prioritize Naz over NAW just because of the mismatches Naz provides and the flexibility Naz gives when it comes to running different lineups. I love NAW but he has been bit underwhelming in playoffs. Naz also is streaky and has some bad games but his highs are lot more higher and kinda has shown that you can also trust him during crunch time
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Re: Value of upcoming MN FA 

Post#65 » by Mattya » Mon Apr 28, 2025 5:21 am

Naz is a huge priority. If he wants to be a starter you gotta make some moves to make it happen.
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Re: Value of upcoming MN FA 

Post#66 » by MN7725 » Mon Apr 28, 2025 6:25 am

Rookie-Mistake wrote:What are we doing with the point guard situation?
I just don't see a fit with dillingham with this roster build, would absolutely love dyson Daniels on this roster

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extremely likely to be the same as this year

Conley starting but playing even less
DDV probably playing more, even though he isn't a traditional PG
Dilly with a slightly bigger role

I could see NAW leaving but Clark would have a bigger role instead, but not handling the ball as much as NAW would at times
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Re: Value of upcoming MN FA 

Post#67 » by Klomp » Mon Apr 28, 2025 6:32 am

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Rookie-Mistake wrote:What are we doing with the point guard situation?
I just don't see a fit with dillingham with this roster build, would absolutely love dyson Daniels on this roster

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extremely likely to be the same as this year

Conley starting but playing even less
DDV probably playing more, even though he isn't a traditional PG
Dilly with a slightly bigger role

I could see NAW leaving but Clark would have a bigger role instead, but not handling the ball as much as NAW would at times

Packaged along with that, very possible Ant continues to take on a larger load.
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Re: Value of upcoming MN FA 

Post#68 » by shrink » Mon Apr 28, 2025 12:38 pm

Klomp wrote:Packaged along with that, very possible Ant continues to take on a larger load.

I think this is likely the plan, and why the KAT trade didn’t happen until DDV was included.

If Ant spends the off-season working on passing, it magnifies his own game, but makes DDV a perfect back court mate. It also activates Gobert offensively if Mike can team Ant how to use Gobert’s screens up top, and hit him with a lob in a pick-and-roll.
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Re: Value of upcoming MN FA 

Post#69 » by Loaf_of_bread » Mon Apr 28, 2025 7:58 pm

NAW has now shown a large enough sample size in the playoffs of a poor efg% last 2 years. He's not worth resigning particularly with jaylen and tsj behind him.

Definitely wish him well. Good bb player.
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Re: Value of upcoming MN FA 

Post#70 » by Klomp » Mon Apr 28, 2025 8:04 pm

Loaf_of_bread wrote:NAW has now shown a large enough sample size in the playoffs of a poor efg% last 2 years. He's not worth resigning particularly with jaylen and tsj behind him.

Definitely wish him well. Good bb player.

Having Donte ahead of him, along with Clark and Shannon behind him, I tend to believe that he might end up being an odd man out this summer. I think Randle and Reid ar both ahead of him on the list of priorities this offseason.

I do envision him fetching MLE money on the open market, and could certainly see a sign-and-trade for a draft pick in play.
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Re: Value of upcoming MN FA 

Post#71 » by wolves_89 » Mon Apr 28, 2025 11:11 pm

Another scenario for re-signing NAW could be to bring him back with the possibility of moving him by the trade deadline. NAW at $15-16M could be a really desirable trade chip in December-January as his skill set is in short supply for a lot of playoff caliber teams.
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Re: Value of upcoming MN FA 

Post#72 » by winforlose » Mon Apr 28, 2025 11:12 pm

wolves_89 wrote:Another scenario for re-signing NAW could be to bring him back with the possibility of moving him by the trade deadline. NAW at $15-16M could be a really desirable trade chip in December-January as his skill set is in short supply for a lot of playoff caliber teams.


NAW is in danger of losing 5-8 million with his playoff performance.
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Re: Value of upcoming MN FA 

Post#73 » by Neeva » Mon Apr 28, 2025 11:41 pm

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wolves_89 wrote:Another scenario for re-signing NAW could be to bring him back with the possibility of moving him by the trade deadline. NAW at $15-16M could be a really desirable trade chip in December-January as his skill set is in short supply for a lot of playoff caliber teams.


NAW is in danger of losing 5-8 million with his playoff performance.


He was bad last year’s playoffs as well after a couple decent games in the phoenix series.His shooting really goes south in the post season, such a shame.
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Re: Value of upcoming MN FA 

Post#74 » by Klomp » Mon Apr 28, 2025 11:47 pm

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wolves_89 wrote:Another scenario for re-signing NAW could be to bring him back with the possibility of moving him by the trade deadline. NAW at $15-16M could be a really desirable trade chip in December-January as his skill set is in short supply for a lot of playoff caliber teams.


NAW is in danger of losing 5-8 million with his playoff performance.

I would be shocked if he doesn't get MLE money. The difference will be whether he gets the full MLE, or chooses a franchise that only has the taxpayer's MLE.
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Re: Value of upcoming MN FA 

Post#75 » by BlacJacMac » Mon Apr 28, 2025 11:51 pm

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winforlose wrote:
wolves_89 wrote:Another scenario for re-signing NAW could be to bring him back with the possibility of moving him by the trade deadline. NAW at $15-16M could be a really desirable trade chip in December-January as his skill set is in short supply for a lot of playoff caliber teams.


NAW is in danger of losing 5-8 million with his playoff performance.


He was bad last year’s playoffs as well after a couple decent games in the phoenix series.His shooting really goes south in the post season, such a shame.


He's the opposite of Jaden. Using both guy's time in Minnesota only:

NAW:
Regular Season: 43/38/77
Playoffs: 37/31/90 (25 Games)

McD:
Regular Season: 48/35/75
Playoffs: 53/44/79 (26 Games)
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Re: Value of upcoming MN FA 

Post#76 » by winforlose » Tue Apr 29, 2025 12:11 am

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winforlose wrote:
wolves_89 wrote:Another scenario for re-signing NAW could be to bring him back with the possibility of moving him by the trade deadline. NAW at $15-16M could be a really desirable trade chip in December-January as his skill set is in short supply for a lot of playoff caliber teams.


NAW is in danger of losing 5-8 million with his playoff performance.

I would be shocked if he doesn't get MLE money. The difference will be whether he gets the full MLE, or chooses a franchise that only has the taxpayer's MLE.


This is what my comment was talking about. The full MLE vs a percentage of it or the tax payer MLE. I think NAW continuing to lose minutes and under preform will cost him on his next deal.
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Re: Value of upcoming MN FA 

Post#77 » by younggunsmn » Tue Apr 29, 2025 5:51 am

MN7725 wrote:
Rookie-Mistake wrote:What are we doing with the point guard situation?
I just don't see a fit with dillingham with this roster build, would absolutely love dyson Daniels on this roster

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extremely likely to be the same as this year

Conley starting but playing even less
DDV probably playing more, even though he isn't a traditional PG
Dilly with a slightly bigger role

I could see NAW leaving but Clark would have a bigger role instead, but not handling the ball as much as NAW would at times


Dillingham isn't even dressing in the playoffs.
I think PG will be mostly a DDV/Conley timeshare next year, with NAW getting some minutes there and a "break glass in case of emergency" vet brought in if NAW leaves, and I think most of those minutes then get absorbed by DDV , TJ Shannon, and Clark.

And then Dillingham becomes trade bait for acquiring another veteran guard.
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Re: Value of upcoming MN FA 

Post#78 » by TimberKat » Tue Apr 29, 2025 6:09 am

younggunsmn wrote:
MN7725 wrote:
Rookie-Mistake wrote:What are we doing with the point guard situation?
I just don't see a fit with dillingham with this roster build, would absolutely love dyson Daniels on this roster

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extremely likely to be the same as this year

Conley starting but playing even less
DDV probably playing more, even though he isn't a traditional PG
Dilly with a slightly bigger role

I could see NAW leaving but Clark would have a bigger role instead, but not handling the ball as much as NAW would at times


Dillingham isn't even dressing in the playoffs.
I think PG will be mostly a DDV/Conley timeshare next year, with NAW getting some minutes there and a "break glass in case of emergency" vet brought in if NAW leaves, and I think most of those minutes then get absorbed by DDV , TJ Shannon, and Clark.

And then Dillingham becomes trade bait for acquiring another veteran guard.

You guys are giving up on Dilly already? He had a few good games and still young. Although he does have that deer staring at headlights look to him. We need to give him a couple of years unless it's something juicy coming back.
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Re: Value of upcoming MN FA 

Post#79 » by younggunsmn » Tue Apr 29, 2025 6:21 am

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younggunsmn wrote:
MN7725 wrote:
extremely likely to be the same as this year

Conley starting but playing even less
DDV probably playing more, even though he isn't a traditional PG
Dilly with a slightly bigger role

I could see NAW leaving but Clark would have a bigger role instead, but not handling the ball as much as NAW would at times


Dillingham isn't even dressing in the playoffs.
I think PG will be mostly a DDV/Conley timeshare next year, with NAW getting some minutes there and a "break glass in case of emergency" vet brought in if NAW leaves, and I think most of those minutes then get absorbed by DDV , TJ Shannon, and Clark.

And then Dillingham becomes trade bait for acquiring another veteran guard.

You guys are giving up on Dilly already? He had a few good games and still young. Although he does have that deer staring at headlights look to him. We need to give him a couple of years unless it's something juicy coming back.


I'm getting there. If someone leaves and we need to replace a rotation player without being able to use the MLE, it's a real possibility.
It's not a great long term strategy if you think there is any chance he figures it out, but if he sits another year his value starts heading into negative territory.
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Re: Value of upcoming MN FA 

Post#80 » by Klomp » Tue Apr 29, 2025 1:02 pm

younggunsmn wrote:Dillingham isn't even dressing in the playoffs.

If Finch was forcing an injured rookie to dress for these games, some fans here on RealGM might actually have legit grounds to fire Finch.
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