The Official 2025 Offseason Thread Part 1

[Fo-Real]

If Kd really wants and gets San Antonio, I would really hope Stephon Castle is in the deal. We need a young stud pg next to Booker and they have Fox. Castle, Barnes, Johnson and a pick somewhere maybe? Addition by subtraction? What does Barnes have left?

My guess is the Spurs would put Vessell in the trade with Johnson and Barnes
though of course Castle is better

If the Suns can combine players
Durant and O'Neale I think works for Vessell Johnson and Barnes
Barnes would be a big expiring in 2026
Johnson would be expiring in 2027
Vessell is signed for four more years but 105m/4

I still like the Rockets of course as the Suns get their picks back but this wouldn't be bad - put in Castle - -keep two FRPs

Vassell is a sg right? and Johnson is an undersized Sf? Both are redundant here unless Vassell is actually a Pg. I know what they would rather give us, but we need a real Pg. Also, Vassell, Barnes and Johnson all together is too much money coming back.

[Slim Charless]

If Kd really wants and gets San Antonio, I would really hope Stephon Castle is in the deal. We need a young stud pg next to Booker and they have Fox. Castle, Barnes, Johnson and a pick somewhere maybe? Addition by subtraction? What does Barnes have left?

My guess is the Spurs would put Vessell in the trade with Johnson and Barnes
though of course Castle is better

If the Suns can combine players
Durant and O'Neale I think works for Vessell Johnson and Barnes
Barnes would be a big expiring in 2026
Johnson would be expiring in 2027
Vessell is signed for four more years but 105m/4

I still like the Rockets of course as the Suns get their picks back but this wouldn't be bad - put in Castle - -keep two FRPs

Vassell is a sg right? and Johnson is an undersized Sf? Both are redundant here unless Vassell is actually a Pg. I know what they would rather give us, but we need a real Pg. Also, Vassell, Barnes and Johnson all together is too much money coming back.

Vassel is a SG, but maybe we can spin him off to another team (Detroit maybe?) don't see us getting Castle but I'll take Sochan as he's a good PF who can play D well. Along with a cpl picks.

[Ghost of Kleine]

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[Ghost of Kleine]

I know the PHNX-SUNS podcasters said that the Suns don't want their picks back from Houston as they think they won't be valuable but thats just stupid talk. Houston has both the Suns picks and good young talent. Its the best match

I don't hate that deal with the Spurs - but those picks aren't going to be worth a damn if they are hte Spurs

I just hear stuff from those podcasters and just not sure they understand the reality of the Suns. I mean, floating the idea that Beal will give up $30m in a buyout to leave. Or Erik possibly attaching a pick from the Durant trade to move Beal. And even if you move Beal, what are you taking back. Buying him to stretch him only causes long term pain

The move with Beal is taking the medicine and letting Beal be an expiring in 2027

I 1000% agree with you man! The smartest and most logical plan should be what we discussed in keeping Beal and letting him come off our books in 27 for massive cap flexibility to completely reload/ revamp our roster in a star studded/ very deep 2027 free agency.

And trade KD for the best young player/ picks package and let those young players grow with our core ( part of) and utilize the picks to bring in the highest value possible at our ranges from the draft creating a faux OKC/ Houston blueprint and/ or generating valuable cost controlled trade assets too. This would be a multi solution value reclamation strategy.

I will say that if the Spurs are the KD trade partner, the picks I've listed:

Atlanta 25' 1st (14th pick)/ Atlanta 27' 1st unprotected/ 2030 1st ** pick swap of either...
- Dallas 30' 1st (UNPROTECTED).
OR
- Minnesota 30' 1st (TOP 1 protected).

With these pick valued, you're basically getting three premium picks in the 24th pick being a lottery pick, and both the Atlanta 27 and the 2030 1st swap as likely being lottery tickets high lottery value. So that's 3 lottery picks and a 19 million expiring and a filler player in Johnson.

Overall pretty great value for KD (absent the player portion), but Johnson's 17 million would come off our books in 27 with Beal's money. This would boost our 27 free agency cap money to 74 million for that loaded free agency. So 74 million in a very loaded free agency, and 3 lottery picks as floor value.

It just seems like common sense of how the Suns should rebuild around Booker. Even the podcasters mentioned yesterday that the Suns will probably not be challengers for the playoffs this season. I think they said that. So why not suck it up buttercup and understand that winning 38 games and missing the playoffs- aside from the Hornets having your pick is not different than winning 26 games and missing the playoffs. But if you start making moves for the summer of 2027 - you might have a real chance to kick start being decent again

But its going to suck for two years -- and I think fans get that. Well not the Booker or Durant stans, they just want to see those guys on the roster

Very well said man!

[BobbieL]

If Kd really wants and gets San Antonio, I would really hope Stephon Castle is in the deal. We need a young stud pg next to Booker and they have Fox. Castle, Barnes, Johnson and a pick somewhere maybe? Addition by subtraction? What does Barnes have left?

My guess is the Spurs would put Vessell in the trade with Johnson and Barnes
though of course Castle is better

If the Suns can combine players
Durant and O'Neale I think works for Vessell Johnson and Barnes
Barnes would be a big expiring in 2026
Johnson would be expiring in 2027
Vessell is signed for four more years but 105m/4

I still like the Rockets of course as the Suns get their picks back but this wouldn't be bad - put in Castle - -keep two FRPs

Vassell is a sg right? and Johnson is an undersized Sf? Both are redundant here unless Vassell is actually a Pg. I know what they would rather give us, but we need a real Pg.

Right - which means the FRPs would still need to be included. I think Johnson would be fine at the forward position - couple years, serviceable player
Barnes would be an expiring

I still think Houston has better offers presumably - better draft picks and better players

But if the Spurs want to add Castle to the mix - that could be a deal changer...

[BobbieL]

My guess is the Spurs would put Vessell in the trade with Johnson and Barnes
though of course Castle is better

If the Suns can combine players
Durant and O'Neale I think works for Vessell Johnson and Barnes
Barnes would be a big expiring in 2026
Johnson would be expiring in 2027
Vessell is signed for four more years but 105m/4

I still like the Rockets of course as the Suns get their picks back but this wouldn't be bad - put in Castle - -keep two FRPs

Vassell is a sg right? and Johnson is an undersized Sf? Both are redundant here unless Vassell is actually a Pg. I know what they would rather give us, but we need a real Pg. Also, Vassell, Barnes and Johnson all together is too much money coming back.

Vassel is a SG, but maybe we can spin him off to another team (Detroit maybe?) don't see us getting Castle but I'll take Sochan as he's a good PF who can play D well. Along with a cpl picks.

Good point - if you get a good young player, a GM with a vision and making the next set of moves would probably be able to flip Vassell

I think that is what is missing about Ishbia compared to Presti and Ainge - they seem to have a long term vision. So when its noted that Ishbia may want to see if Beal takes the pay cut to stretch him for five years - -sure you save a bunch of cap space this year and next year -but, what players can you afford? will those players you sign with the MLE be any better than veteran minimum guys? And how will having cap space eaten up for 5 years help you when you aren't going to be good in 2025/2026 anyway, so you are halfway out of cap hell if you just understand the Beal deal is more than a short term dopamine hit

Ishbia is jonesing to spend money - hes' gotta spend it!

[Ghost of Kleine]

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A cheaper less developed budget version of Cooper Flagg in the late 2nd to undrafted ranges anyone? Still a solid versatile utility forward.

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[BobbieL]

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Bickley mentions the time line for hiring the GM with the draft and free agency two months away.

I think they still have time. More than likely, the person who is GM is in the NBA in some capacity so has already studied prospects

But I hope Bickley isn't hearing about misgivings on Myers -- he would be a solid hire

[King4Day]

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Thank the gods!!

[King4Day]

I'm not sure Myers would be a massive upgrade as he fell into a lot of luck with the W's. The main thing I would like about having him is the assurance that Isbia won't get in his way and will let him do his job without interference.

[dremill24]

I'm not sure Myers would be a massive upgrade as he fell into a lot of luck with the W's. The main thing I would like about having him is the assurance that Isbia won't get in his way and will let him do his job without interference.

Is this really a fait accompli though?

[BobbieL]

I'm not sure Myers would be a massive upgrade as he fell into a lot of luck with the W's. The main thing I would like about having him is the assurance that Isbia won't get in his way and will let him do his job without interference.

I think Myers did a good job with the Warriors - -they won 4 titles. Granted, I don't think he drafted Curry or Klay. But he like you said, has the cache potentially for Mat to listen to him and be patient. As I think that is the key - -well besides having a sound thought process and not just doing deals to do deals. Team needs to re-set and not sure Mat wants too

But if the goal is championshipS - he has to reset

[sunsbum]

I 1000% agree with you man! The smartest and most logical plan should be what we discussed in keeping Beal and letting him come off our books in 27 for massive cap flexibility to completely reload/ revamp our roster in a star studded/ very deep 2027 free agency.

And trade KD for the best young player/ picks package and let those young players grow with our core ( part of) and utilize the picks to bring in the highest value possible at our ranges from the draft creating a faux OKC/ Houston blueprint and/ or generating valuable cost controlled trade assets too. This would be a multi solution value reclamation strategy.

I will say that if the Spurs are the KD trade partner, the picks I've listed:

Atlanta 25' 1st (14th pick)/ Atlanta 27' 1st unprotected/ 2030 1st ** pick swap of either...
- Dallas 30' 1st (UNPROTECTED).
OR
- Minnesota 30' 1st (TOP 1 protected).

With these pick valued, you're basically getting three premium picks in the 24th pick being a lottery pick, and both the Atlanta 27 and the 2030 1st swap as likely being lottery tickets high lottery value. So that's 3 lottery picks and a 19 million expiring and a filler player in Johnson.

Overall pretty great value for KD (absent the player portion), but Johnson's 17 million would come off our books in 27 with Beal's money. This would boost our 27 free agency cap money to 74 million for that loaded free agency. So 74 million in a very loaded free agency, and 3 lottery picks as floor value.

It just seems like common sense of how the Suns should rebuild around Booker. Even the podcasters mentioned yesterday that the Suns will probably not be challengers for the playoffs this season. I think they said that. So why not suck it up buttercup and understand that winning 38 games and missing the playoffs- aside from the Hornets having your pick is not different than winning 26 games and missing the playoffs. But if you start making moves for the summer of 2027 - you might have a real chance to kick start being decent again

But its going to suck for two years -- and I think fans get that. Well not the Booker or Durant stans, they just want to see those guys on the roster

Very well said man!

I haven’t seen very many Booker “Stans”, some of us just understand that he isn’t getting moved so we are done playing pretend. It’s called reality. Should we blow it up? Yea probably. But you also never know, the bubble suns came out of nowhere.

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[Frank Lee]

But playing pretend makes the world go round…….



And round….






And round.

[Ghost of Kleine]

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Anything of note GOK?

My guess he will have some version of your Orlando trade with the Suns taking on KCP and Isaac and my guess, the Bulls trade taking on Vucevic, PWill and extra...

I'm not really a diehard subscriber, so I haven't really seen the trade frameworks yet man. But here is the youtube video breakdown of that article just released a few minutes ago:

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[Calvin Klein]

Giannis and Booker would be too good to be true.

[Ghost of Kleine]

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