tedbrogen wrote:DingleJerry wrote:tedbrogen wrote:
The Bucks are already facing a brutual Brooklyn F up scenario (Giannis opts out after 2027 and the Bucks have nothing while the Blazers have their next three firsts) and people want to dig a deeper hole? For Colin Secton and John Collins? Are you all taking crazy pills?
As I said in my post, a move like that eliminates that Brooklyn style F up in those coming up soon years (If Giannis says he's staying and doesn't go back on his word). If you do nothing now, suck, and it forces Giannis to leave you just jacked up the chances of what you said happening in those late 20s picks.
You'd essentially be swapping the risk in the next few years for the risk in 31/32. But, they're just swaps not outright picks and the team you're swapping with is just as likely to be bad by then as the Bucks are. Chances are both teams would be top 10ish picks. In addition, I'd always expect the Bucks to not all out tank even if they owned their own picks. Don't get me wrong, they'll suck then without Giannis, but they're unlikely to be so bad that its a top 5ish pick. They're likely to hop on the treadmill and be the team that finishes 6-14 range, which is also likely where Utah will be barring massively good luck.
I don't think folks are fully getting that they're swaps, its not like you won't have a pick. You're probably just moving back 5-10 picks. And there's a not 0 chance Utah will be worse than MKE
ETA: that said, its not like I'm clamoring for it or think people are nuts to say No to it. It was an interesting idea by the Utah person, I think I'd do it. In reality, I actually doubt Utah would do it. I agree with the poster that they'd want to tank and would like to cash those guys out now, but I think they could get some picks/stuff back sooner without taking on Dames contract for picks that won't come due until the current management has already been fired/retired
There’s also a non-zero chance the Bucks give the Jazz two top five picks even if Giannis stays with the team since he’ll be 38/39 those two seasons. I don’t care that the Bucks would get a late lottery pick back for giving up those picks. You want to give away non-zero chances with your few remaining tradeable assets to get Sexton and Collins? They are not difference makers. They are not guys who make the difference between Giannis asking out and not asking out. You can just pay KPJ and Bobby if you want that level of talent around Giannis.
Yeah, the best way to avoid a Brooklyn scenario is to trade with the guy who fleeced Brooklyn. Makes total sense.
That's fine but don't think its near as stark as you say. And I said it has to involve Giannis saying he's In for it, so in that case getting those guys enough, that's the value in it. You stay good/relevant and keep the face of the city while eliminating the risk of handing over top 5 picks in the late 20s. I also said to try for top 3 protection. But basically, if one is massively concerned about giving away top 5s in 31/32 why are they not worried about doing it in 26-30?
Think of this way: risk handing over top 5 or 10 picks for the next several years, some of which are not even in swaps. Or risk swaps 7 years from now with a team likely to suck too. Of course, if Giannis says he's In regardless then it doesn't matter much and this can be eliminated from the equation. Which changes it all for me. But if he tells you to try and win next year or he just has to move on, I think you do it. Sure beats sucking immediately and handing over top picks immediately.
Another thing to note on guys like Sexton/Collins level in todays nba is that its no longer about top 3 players then trash after them and being able to win. The best teams are deep with dudes that can all play and have some athleticism/shooting. If you can fill out a deep team with energy, athleticism, and shooting you can play. This board is here calling Williams/Chet as the 2nd-4th best players on a top 6 team ever role players, its no longer about big 3s, its about building a rounded team. And starting with Giannis is a cheat code on it. Those two aren't difference makers themselves, but they're perfectly fine for depth and being you 4-7th type guys and they're certainly going to help more than Dame going forward.. With Giannis you then just need to find that #2 star with some stroke of luck and then who knows. Bet no one thought a Derrick White was a difference maker either. Chances are they never luck into that 2nd star and they keep being a 1st/2nd round exit, but its better than sucking the next 5 years when we don't own our picks. In addition you can continue sign/trade those guys as assets to keep a treadmill team going the next few years rather than having nothing from Dame. You'd have usefull players hopefully on reasonable contracts to play to not suck and/or trade in the future, or 0 for Dame.
Again, I totally get saying No to a move like that (and I said it changes calculation if Giannis tells you he's In not matter what) but no way do I think its some crazy or blasphemous move. I actually thought it was creative and a feasible close call thing that could go either way.
I also don't think it makes total sense to say one can't trade with Ainge because he fleeced BKN 15 years ago.
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