2025 Regular/Offseason Season Thread Vol. 10

[oreon]

Houston can send out Van Vleet, Smith, Whitmore, Sheppard and 5 1st. I think it comes down to one of the Texas teams. My personal favorite is Giannis teaming up with Wemby and Fox.

Spurs would be the front runner in my opinion if they were interested. They can offer Castle, Keldon Johnson and Harrison Barnes + ton of picks. I don't think anyone outside OKC can beat that offer. But I doubt OKC gets interested unless they underperform in the playoffs. And OKC would have to put Chet or Jaylen on the table which I doubt they would do.

[Hallstar]

A bunch of nothing from you again lol. What about when they were talking about the Cavs loading up on Bam and packing the paint when he gets touches?

Your boy literally got clamped by Sam Merrill and Max Strus. There is not a single perimeter player on the Cavs that comes to mind when you think of being a good perimeter defender (outside of Dean but the casual PPG fan wouldn’t know much about him) and they had him in a straight jacket

Be better, I’m running laps around you today.

Bro Bam was the third best center in the series. Nobody cared about him taking 3s because it's not viewed as a real threat, they stayed in the lane.

You're talking about players Herro repeatedly beat only to meet whoever was not guarding Bam.

All Bam had to do was make open midrange jumpers but we know it's not a reliable offense.

And I would love to see the train wreck of a Bam/Giannis front court. That feels like the final crash out. 1997 Heat dream

Right im sure Bam would’ve loved to have several buckets served to him on a silver platter because his guards were blowing by weak defenders like Herro Duncan Wiggins etc. and forcing help. Herro wasn’t blowing by anyone, stop it. I’ve already touched on the 3 point shooting thing, and backed it with the facts like I always do when I argue something.

You’re talking out of your ass again backing nothing you say with anything of substance but that’s the norm for majority. Your boy showed yet again when the playoffs come around he can’t contribute in any way shape or form and that he might as well be wearing the other teams jersey when you have bench players calling ISOs on him, bullying him, then flexing on him lol. He’s a regular season guy who’s going to shoot a lot of shots and put up some points but when the games really matter and teams lock in he’s just food for opposing teams, it shows why he wasn’t involved in majority of our deep postseason runs. THATS the real crash out.

Bam/Giannis front court would have you a helluva lot closer to winning something meaningful than having “White Drip” out there getting cooked and dogged by bench players

Bam was shooting 3s like Justise Winslow was shooting 3s his last year with us. Some of us actually know what we're watching. I don't care about what stats you find. He wasn't being guarded for the 3.

Bam and Gianni's isn't a frontcourt that makes us contenders. 2 midrange bigs and nothing else don't make the playin.

[oreon]

Houston can send out Van Vleet, Smith, Whitmore, Sheppard and 5 1st. I think it comes down to one of the Texas teams. My personal favorite is Giannis teaming up with Wemby and Fox.

Call me crazy but if you’re sending out your superstar and going full rebuild Ware, Jovic, Jaime, Pelle >>>> Vaseline, Keldon, Sochan. That Houston offer is much better and a very good offer, Spurs trump card is Castle.

All in all Giannis will have a major say regardless, he may prefer Spurs to Houston or wherever and at that point they’ll just take their package as long as they’re getting the picks and a couple young guys.

I think Giannis ends up in NY. If I remember correctly didn't you share the link here saying there might be mutual interest especially since he has numerous businesses in NY?

Bucks need a combo of picks + win now players. They don't their own picks so they need win now players to help stay affloat. Nets can offer picks but not the win now players. Knicks can offer win now players but not picks. If Knicks put Brunson on the table then I could see it happening. But they would be doing him dirty after he took a paycut.

[VaDe255]

Bam can’t anchor a defense against a team like the Cavs, and the series proved it, he was exposed. He couldn't protect the rim or contain penetration consistently. More importantly, he was physically overmatched by the Cavs' bigs, Allen and Mobley punished him in the paint and on the glass. Bam, undersized for a true center, couldn't hold position or deter vertical threats at the rim. He was ineffective as the last line of defense, unable to erase mistakes or stop interior scoring. Giving up a 136 offensive rating in a playoff series isn't just a team failure it’s a direct reflection of Bam’s inability to anchor the defense.

This is also exactly why you don’t overpay defensive specialists. A player whose value is built almost entirely on defense has to fundamentally change games on that end, especially in the playoffs. Bam didn’t. And because elite defense doesn’t scale in isolation, unlike elite offense, his impact wasn't felt much. He’s not a dominant center, and against real size and physicality, his limitations become obvious.

A frontcourt of Bam and Ware offers a more viable long-term defensive solution because it finally addresses the size and rim protection issues that were exposed so clearly in the Cavs series, the obvious problem is Ware will take at least 2-3 more years to develop and Bam will age.

This nonsense of Bam at the 5 has to stop though, it's not a solution, it's a problem.

[greg4012]

Bro Bam was the third best center in the series. Nobody cared about him taking 3s because it's not viewed as a real threat, they stayed in the lane.

You're talking about players Herro repeatedly beat only to meet whoever was not guarding Bam.

All Bam had to do was make open midrange jumpers but we know it's not a reliable offense.

And I would love to see the train wreck of a Bam/Giannis front court. That feels like the final crash out. 1997 Heat dream

Right im sure Bam would’ve loved to have several buckets served to him on a silver platter because his guards were blowing by weak defenders like Herro Duncan Wiggins etc. and forcing help. Herro wasn’t blowing by anyone, stop it. I’ve already touched on the 3 point shooting thing, and backed it with the facts like I always do when I argue something.

You’re talking out of your ass again backing nothing you say with anything of substance but that’s the norm for majority. Your boy showed yet again when the playoffs come around he can’t contribute in any way shape or form and that he might as well be wearing the other teams jersey when you have bench players calling ISOs on him, bullying him, then flexing on him lol. He’s a regular season guy who’s going to shoot a lot of shots and put up some points but when the games really matter and teams lock in he’s just food for opposing teams, it shows why he wasn’t involved in majority of our deep postseason runs. THATS the real crash out.

Bam/Giannis front court would have you a helluva lot closer to winning something meaningful than having “White Drip” out there getting cooked and dogged by bench players

Bam was shooting 3s like Justise Winslow was shooting 3s his last year with us. Some of us actually know what we're watching. I don't care about what stats you find. He wasn't being guarded for the 3.

Bam and Gianni's isn't a frontcourt that makes us contenders. 2 midrange bigs and nothing else don't make the playin.

Continued progress is definitely needed. Positive indicators for the first year of really looking to shoot 3s. Definitely needs to get to the point where when he's positioned on the perimeter and is open, he has full intent to fire away. Can't pass up open looks on the perimeter if you want to actually be defended out to the perimeter. Same goes for Ware (and even Davion Mitchell). That is how real spacing is created.

Cavs played smart and only really closed out hard and stayed attached out to the perimeter on Tyler and Duncan. Miami did not make them pay for that and wasn't ready for it.

[Daffy]

I don't get why you guys are **** on Bam or Herro. Neither of them are true #1s going up against one of the best defensive teams in the league in a series. All of our guys after them are legit role players. Wiggins was supposed to help take the pressure off but he folded. You put a guy like KD and a true PG on the team and their roles are easier. You HAVE to defend Herro differently with another scorer. Bam's offense flows easier with a PG getting him easier baskets. The issue isn't Bam or Herro. The issue is the make-up of the current team.

Also on top of everything I said our offensive system is dog water.

[FlaMoses]

Would you trade Bam and Rozier for Durant and filler?

[Hallstar]

Would you trade Bam and Rozier for Durant and filler?

Wiggins has to be the center of a KD trade. Can't trade a core piece for a 37 year old

[DayofMourning]

I don't get why you guys are **** on Bam or Herro. Neither of them are true #1s going up against one of the best defensive teams in the league in a series. All of our guys after them are legit role players. Wiggins was supposed to help take the pressure off but he folded. You put a guy like KD and a true PG on the team and their roles are easier. You HAVE to defend Herro differently with another scorer. Bam's offense flows easier with a PG getting him easier baskets. The issue isn't Bam or Herro. The issue is the make-up of the current team.

Also on top of everything I said our offensive system is dog water.

Yeah.

Thats why the KD dream makes sense. He shifts everyone to their natural pecking order.

How else are we going to get that guy? We are lotto averse, so thats hard to fathom.

Better strike now while weve got prime complementary pieces.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Bam can’t anchor a defense against a team like the Cavs, and the series proved it, he was exposed. He couldn't protect the rim or contain penetration consistently. More importantly, he was physically overmatched by the Cavs' bigs, Allen and Mobley punished him in the paint and on the glass. Bam, undersized for a true center, couldn't hold position or deter vertical threats at the rim. He was ineffective as the last line of defense, unable to erase mistakes or stop interior scoring. Giving up a 136 offensive rating in a playoff series isn't just a team failure it’s a direct reflection of Bam’s inability to anchor the defense.

This is also exactly why you don’t overpay defensive specialists. A player whose value is built almost entirely on defense has to fundamentally change games on that end, especially in the playoffs. Bam didn’t. And because elite defense doesn’t scale in isolation, unlike elite offense, his impact wasn't felt much. He’s not a dominant center, and against real size and physicality, his limitations become obvious.

A frontcourt of Bam and Ware offers a more viable long-term defensive solution because it finally addresses the size and rim protection issues that were exposed so clearly in the Cavs series, the obvious problem is Ware will take at least 2-3 more years to develop and Bam will age.

This nonsense of Bam at the 5 has to stop though, it's not a solution, it's a problem.

Forget all the deep playoff runs Bam anchored elite defenses, this one series proved it!!

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Bro Bam was the third best center in the series. Nobody cared about him taking 3s because it's not viewed as a real threat, they stayed in the lane.

You're talking about players Herro repeatedly beat only to meet whoever was not guarding Bam.

All Bam had to do was make open midrange jumpers but we know it's not a reliable offense.

And I would love to see the train wreck of a Bam/Giannis front court. That feels like the final crash out. 1997 Heat dream

Right im sure Bam would’ve loved to have several buckets served to him on a silver platter because his guards were blowing by weak defenders like Herro Duncan Wiggins etc. and forcing help. Herro wasn’t blowing by anyone, stop it. I’ve already touched on the 3 point shooting thing, and backed it with the facts like I always do when I argue something.

You’re talking out of your ass again backing nothing you say with anything of substance but that’s the norm for majority. Your boy showed yet again when the playoffs come around he can’t contribute in any way shape or form and that he might as well be wearing the other teams jersey when you have bench players calling ISOs on him, bullying him, then flexing on him lol. He’s a regular season guy who’s going to shoot a lot of shots and put up some points but when the games really matter and teams lock in he’s just food for opposing teams, it shows why he wasn’t involved in majority of our deep postseason runs. THATS the real crash out.

Bam/Giannis front court would have you a helluva lot closer to winning something meaningful than having “White Drip” out there getting cooked and dogged by bench players

Bam was shooting 3s like Justise Winslow was shooting 3s his last year with us. Some of us actually know what we're watching. I don't care about what stats you find. He wasn't being guarded for the 3.

Bam and Gianni's isn't a frontcourt that makes us contenders. 2 midrange bigs and nothing else don't make the playin.

I know what I’m watching, better than you lol and I’d guarantee I’d played at a higher level than you too so we can talk about knowledge of the game if you’d like. I just so happen to know the numbers as well although after playing I was always skeptical of the importance of them I’ve come to better terms with it over the last several years. Don’t be mad at me for understanding both sides, be mad at Herro for getting dogged by bench players and clowned on the media.

You on the other hand think Herro is as good or better than guys like Booker and Ja and just told me a Giannis/Bam duo wouldn’t make the play in

You literally just told me one of the dumbest things I’ve read on here, you’re that flustered over Ty Jerome, Sam Merrill, and Max Strus owning Tyler that you’re now telling me if you swap Giannis with Tyler on this team we wouldn’t even be good enough to make the play in tourney let alone the playoffs. I’m done running circles around you, enjoy your day!

[MettaWorldPanda]

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We’ll send them our whole team that just got mollywopped by the Cavs. Surely that’s what the Bucks want. Let’s not forget our treasure trove of picks starting with the 20th pick this year and picks 2030 and 2032. Surely valuable to a team with no control of picks till 2031.

[greg4012]

Bam can’t anchor a defense against a team like the Cavs, and the series proved it, he was exposed. He couldn't protect the rim or contain penetration consistently. More importantly, he was physically overmatched by the Cavs' bigs, Allen and Mobley punished him in the paint and on the glass. Bam, undersized for a true center, couldn't hold position or deter vertical threats at the rim. He was ineffective as the last line of defense, unable to erase mistakes or stop interior scoring. Giving up a 136 offensive rating in a playoff series isn't just a team failure it’s a direct reflection of Bam’s inability to anchor the defense.

This is also exactly why you don’t overpay defensive specialists. A player whose value is built almost entirely on defense has to fundamentally change games on that end, especially in the playoffs. Bam didn’t. And because elite defense doesn’t scale in isolation, unlike elite offense, his impact wasn't felt much. He’s not a dominant center, and against real size and physicality, his limitations become obvious.

A frontcourt of Bam and Ware offers a more viable long-term defensive solution because it finally addresses the size and rim protection issues that were exposed so clearly in the Cavs series, the obvious problem is Ware will take at least 2-3 more years to develop and Bam will age.

This nonsense of Bam at the 5 has to stop though, it's not a solution, it's a problem.

Forget all the deep playoff runs Bam anchored elite defenses, this one series proved it!!

Let's also forget the fact that the 2024 NBA champion Celtics had 60% of their playoff center minutes filled by Al Horford (6'9) and Jayson Tatum (6'9)

Let's also forget the fact that the 2022 NBA champion Warriors had 84% of their playoff center minutes filled by Draymond Green (6'6), Kevon Looney (6'9), and Otto Porter Jr (6'8).

Let's also forget the fact that the 2021 NBA champion Bucks had 25% of their playoff center minutes filled by Bobby Portis Jr (6'10 and groundbound)--with another 12% by Giannis (6'11 PF).

Additionally, the 2023 NBA champion Nuggets had 15% of their playoff center minutes filled by 6'8 Aaron Gordon (almost all of the non-Jokic minutes, but 6'8 Jeff Green also made a cameo) and the 2020 NBA champion Lakers had 58% of their playoff center minutes filled by 6'10 Anthony Davis and 6'8 Markief Morris.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

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We’ll send them our whole team that just got mollywopped by the Cavs. Surely that’s what the Bucks want. Let’s not forget our treasure trove of picks starting with the 20th pick this year and picks 2030 and 2032. Surely valuable to a team with no control of picks till 2031.

Evans a fraud and no one is sending several assets in addition to multiple all stars but yea it’s not happening unless that’s exactly what giannis wants.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Bam can’t anchor a defense against a team like the Cavs, and the series proved it, he was exposed. He couldn't protect the rim or contain penetration consistently. More importantly, he was physically overmatched by the Cavs' bigs, Allen and Mobley punished him in the paint and on the glass. Bam, undersized for a true center, couldn't hold position or deter vertical threats at the rim. He was ineffective as the last line of defense, unable to erase mistakes or stop interior scoring. Giving up a 136 offensive rating in a playoff series isn't just a team failure it’s a direct reflection of Bam’s inability to anchor the defense.

This is also exactly why you don’t overpay defensive specialists. A player whose value is built almost entirely on defense has to fundamentally change games on that end, especially in the playoffs. Bam didn’t. And because elite defense doesn’t scale in isolation, unlike elite offense, his impact wasn't felt much. He’s not a dominant center, and against real size and physicality, his limitations become obvious.

A frontcourt of Bam and Ware offers a more viable long-term defensive solution because it finally addresses the size and rim protection issues that were exposed so clearly in the Cavs series, the obvious problem is Ware will take at least 2-3 more years to develop and Bam will age.

This nonsense of Bam at the 5 has to stop though, it's not a solution, it's a problem.

Forget all the deep playoff runs Bam anchored elite defenses, this one series proved it!!

Let's also forget the fact that the 2024 NBA champion Celtics had 60% of their playoff center minutes filled by Al Horford (6'9) and Jayson Tatum (6'9)

Let's also forget the fact that the 2022 NBA champion Warriors had 84% of their playoff center minutes filled by Draymond Green (6'6), Kevon Looney (6'9), and Otto Porter Jr (6'8).

Let's also forget the fact that the 2021 NBA champion Bucks had 25% of their playoff center minutes filled by Bobby Portis Jr (6'10 and groundbound)--with another 12% by Giannis (6'11 PF).

Additionally, the 2023 NBA champion Nuggets had 15% of their playoff center minutes filled by 6'8 Aaron Gordon (almost all of the non-Jokic minutes, but 6'8 Jeff Green also made a cameo) and the 2020 NBA champion Lakers had 58% of their playoff center minutes filled by 6'10 Anthony Davis and 6'8 Markief Morris.

We don’t like the truth/context!!!!

[3ammy3uck3ts]

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Would suck to have that top 8 or so pick right about now!! At least we were able to get swept in historical fashion in the 1st round!

[Hallstar]

Right im sure Bam would’ve loved to have several buckets served to him on a silver platter because his guards were blowing by weak defenders like Herro Duncan Wiggins etc. and forcing help. Herro wasn’t blowing by anyone, stop it. I’ve already touched on the 3 point shooting thing, and backed it with the facts like I always do when I argue something.

You’re talking out of your ass again backing nothing you say with anything of substance but that’s the norm for majority. Your boy showed yet again when the playoffs come around he can’t contribute in any way shape or form and that he might as well be wearing the other teams jersey when you have bench players calling ISOs on him, bullying him, then flexing on him lol. He’s a regular season guy who’s going to shoot a lot of shots and put up some points but when the games really matter and teams lock in he’s just food for opposing teams, it shows why he wasn’t involved in majority of our deep postseason runs. THATS the real crash out.

Bam/Giannis front court would have you a helluva lot closer to winning something meaningful than having “White Drip” out there getting cooked and dogged by bench players

Bam was shooting 3s like Justise Winslow was shooting 3s his last year with us. Some of us actually know what we're watching. I don't care about what stats you find. He wasn't being guarded for the 3.

Bam and Gianni's isn't a frontcourt that makes us contenders. 2 midrange bigs and nothing else don't make the playin.

I know what I’m watching, better than you lol and I’d guarantee I’d played at a higher level than you too so we can talk about knowledge of the game if you’d like. I just so happen to know the numbers as well although after playing I was always skeptical of the importance of them I’ve come to better terms with it over the last several years. Don’t be mad at me for understanding both sides, be mad at Herro for getting dogged by bench players and clowned on the media.

You on the other hand think Herro is as good or better than guys like Booker and Ja and just told me a Giannis/Bam duo wouldn’t make the play in

You literally just told me one of the dumbest things I’ve read on here, you’re that flustered over Ty Jerome, Sam Merrill, and Max Strus owning Tyler that you’re now telling me if you swap Giannis with Tyler on this team we wouldn’t even be good enough to make the play in tourney let alone the playoffs. I’m done running circles around you, enjoy your day!

You're crying and moaning for years that we have a caged Bam because we supposedly can't put him in a position to dominate.

Who is getting Bam and Giannis the ball?

How many times will this team be rebuilt on vibes instead of fit.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Bam was shooting 3s like Justise Winslow was shooting 3s his last year with us. Some of us actually know what we're watching. I don't care about what stats you find. He wasn't being guarded for the 3.

Bam and Gianni's isn't a frontcourt that makes us contenders. 2 midrange bigs and nothing else don't make the playin.

I know what I’m watching, better than you lol and I’d guarantee I’d played at a higher level than you too so we can talk about knowledge of the game if you’d like. I just so happen to know the numbers as well although after playing I was always skeptical of the importance of them I’ve come to better terms with it over the last several years. Don’t be mad at me for understanding both sides, be mad at Herro for getting dogged by bench players and clowned on the media.

You on the other hand think Herro is as good or better than guys like Booker and Ja and just told me a Giannis/Bam duo wouldn’t make the play in

You literally just told me one of the dumbest things I’ve read on here, you’re that flustered over Ty Jerome, Sam Merrill, and Max Strus owning Tyler that you’re now telling me if you swap Giannis with Tyler on this team we wouldn’t even be good enough to make the play in tourney let alone the playoffs. I’m done running circles around you, enjoy your day!

You're crying and moaning for years that we have a caged Bam because we supposedly can't put him in a position to dominate.

Who is getting Bam and Giannis the ball?

Do not sit here and argue with me that if Tyler and Giannis switched places the Heat wouldn’t make the playoffs or even the play in. Please, I do not need this level of stupidity in my life today. I know you’ve been Herros most faithful over the years but that is flat out insane.

But to answer your question about getting them the ball, probably just about no one like what we currently have with a bottom of the league level playmaking cast on the perimeter. Won’t matter

[unowen85]

I’m still in shock that Bam basically took the whole year off.

[MettaWorldPanda]

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