PG - this is the opposite of fun

[3toheadmelo]

The only difference between this year's playoff team and last year's playoff team in terms of guys who can create is Donte, who was like so so at creating and inconsistent from game to game. Is that really the issue?

Ihart was also a creator from the high post. Randle was a big time creator for us

The biggest difference between this year’s team and last year’s is toughness and defense. This team is extremely soft.

man I call bullsh*t on this soft stuff, there is nothing soft in this series, guys are all just missing shots they generally make. This has been one of the more physical series' i can remember in recent memory and the Knicks aren't backing down. This soft world is thrown around way to loosely.

So why is Tobias Harris calling us soft? You think he would say that for no reason? We’re letting guys like him, and Schroder punk us and look way better than they are. This team has zero pride.

[dakomish23]

Our ast % is 2nd to last - only to DET - in the playoffs.

Our assist attempts are 37.2 (13th) with 50.6 pts created off assists (14th). DET is at 40.2 (9th) with 52.6 pts created off assists (13th)

I think the Beasley brick fest is a big part of that drop since most of his attempts are assisted.

[K_ick_God]

For some reason I'm not jealous of Boston - their team is kind of stale to me - but I am jealous of Indiana and Cleveland in a big way.

If we advance, and I suspect they still pull it out somehow but who knows - they will rarely be even close against Boston. Seems like advancing for no reason. But I guess that gets into the "philosophy of sports." Is it better to have loved and lost second round than to never have advanced at all lol? Next series will likely be embarrassing. I'm just being honest.

[dakomish23]

We're gonna have to agree to disagree, mate

You can mitigate for lack of 1 vs 1 talent with well executed play calling. Obviously it can only overcome so much, but you can def squeeze every ounce of juice from the talent on the roster that way. I think we can agree that Thibs hasn't exactly done that.

Fully.
It seems like we have both a roster and a thibs problem.

I do get the worry that he is a coach that brings "intangibles". That he gets his players to play better than they're capable of but I tend to think there is prolly a cap on that. And that you need a coach who brings that and the ability to put his players in the best possible situation to succeed.

He also isn't at fault for not having a bench. Ours sucks. Even if he should have played em more throughout the year.

Anyways, wish we were talkin sht about Boston right now instead of the tired arguments and starphucking but the sun also rises.

This should be our banner

[Guano]

Team doesn't need a secondary creator as much as they need a coach that can maximize this offense.

We're gonna have to agree to disagree, mate

The thing is, the Pistons have 1 creator, Cade is averaging 102 touches per game which is 3rd in the playoffs behind Haliburton and Jokic. Jalen is averaging 91 per game, we have 1 non shooter on the floor, they have 2 non shooters on the floor. Yet, their offense is running the same as ours, that shouldn't happen under any circumstance.

Their ORTG is 109.1 and ours is 109.2, our offense is running almost exactly the same as theirs, while they have more exploitable weaknesses on offense and rely on 1 player even more.

It also doesn't pass the eye test. Sht js painful as hell to watch. It's bad basketball outside of kqts few explosive clutch plays. And Brunson going nuclear. It hasn't been fun, enjoyable, or aesthetically pleasing

[HEZI]

based on his immediate impact as an off ball mover last year you gotta conclude it isn't og

ehh i feel like OG had a bunch of cuts to dunks in his first game as a knick, and then he stopped doing it. almost like once he "learned" the offense, he was told not to cut.

Also Mikal is setting the pick on the side so he has the clear path to the rim. It seems like OG was supposed to pop out and Mikal was supposed to slip the screen for the open lane to the hoop

OG was already at the top so how are you freeing him with a down screen? That screen made no sense if the purpose was to get OG free to go anywhere else but cutting to the exact spot he we was going to.

[JayTWill]

You mean we traded for a bunch of players that can’t create so it’s Thibs fault he can’t turn them into shot creators overnight?

The only difference between this year's playoff team and last year's playoff team in terms of guys who can create is Donte, who was like so so at creating and inconsistent from game to game. Is that really the issue?

Ihart was also a creator from the high post. Randle was a big time creator for us

The biggest difference between this year’s team and last year’s is toughness and defense. This team is extremely soft.

https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/knicks-defensive-rating-by-month-in-2024

The Knicks defensive rating was all over the place last year and they had the 2nd worst defensive rating of all teams during the postseason.

[NoDopeOnSundays]

We're gonna have to agree to disagree, mate

The thing is, the Pistons have 1 creator, Cade is averaging 102 touches per game which is 3rd in the playoffs behind Haliburton and Jokic. Jalen is averaging 91 per game, we have 1 non shooter on the floor, they have 2 non shooters on the floor. Yet, their offense is running the same as ours, that shouldn't happen under any circumstance.

Their ORTG is 109.1 and ours is 109.2, our offense is running almost exactly the same as theirs, while they have more exploitable weaknesses on offense and rely on 1 player even more.

It also doesn't pass the eye test. Sht js painful as hell to watch. It's bad basketball outside of kqts few explosive clutch plays. And Brunson going nuclear. It hasn't been fun, enjoyable, or aesthetically pleasing

It's ugly basketball from a bygone era.


That's the thing too, listen to some of the non-Knick podcasts, and it's almost always the same complaints about us from outsiders looking in. Zach Lowe on his last podcast basically eviscerated Tom, even though we won, because some of things we do are just inexplicable. He's not in love with the roster, but the coaching has been horrific and that's what he keyed in on. At least the nerd podcasts are now talking about it, Nate Duncan basically loathes Tom

[Guano]

You can mitigate for lack of 1 vs 1 talent with well executed play calling. Obviously it can only overcome so much, but you can def squeeze every ounce of juice from the talent on the roster that way. I think we can agree that Thibs hasn't exactly done that.

Fully.
It seems like we have both a roster and a thibs problem.

I do get the worry that he is a coach that brings "intangibles". That he gets his players to play better than they're capable of but I tend to think there is prolly a cap on that. And that you need a coach who brings that and the ability to put his players in the best possible situation to succeed.

He also isn't at fault for not having a bench. Ours sucks. Even if he should have played em more throughout the year.

Anyways, wish we were talkin sht about Boston right now instead of the tired arguments and starphucking but the sun also rises.

This should be our banner

Fitting too considering what the book was actually about and being a knicks fan has to feel VV similar.

[3toheadmelo]

Blaming Thibs for everything is getting so boring

It’s because the Knicks traded for players that these posters wanted for years but since they were wrong about those players (and the ones we got rid of) they’re just going to blame everything on Thibs. And look I get it, Thibs has his flaws and I want to get JVG as head coach, but acting like Thibs is holding us from being a championship contender is nuts.

Don't agree. There is no timeline where a team of KAT/OG/Mikal/Hart/JB shoots fewer 3's then Detroit. This team's offensive approach has been trash for months.

Well Josh hart is passing up open 3s, Mikal prefers taking tough middies. How is that on the coach?

[NoDopeOnSundays]

It’s because the Knicks traded for players that these posters wanted for years but since they were wrong about those players (and the ones we got rid of) they’re just going to blame everything on Thibs. And look I get it, Thibs has his flaws and I want to get JVG as head coach, but acting like Thibs is holding us from being a championship contender is nuts.

Don't agree. There is no timeline where a team of KAT/OG/Mikal/Hart/JB shoots fewer 3's then Detroit. This team's offensive approach has been trash for months.

Well Josh hart is passing up open 3s, Mikal prefers taking tough middies. How is that on the coach?

Take Josh out and put in a center, if your perimeter player has been guarded by a center for 4 months and you still don't have an answer, it's the coach.


We're in a dog fight with a less talented team, how is that not the coach I could see if this were the Pacers or something, but this is the Pistons whose star is playing in them for the first time. It shouldn't be close, no matter how much you dislike the roster this Pistons team is less talented and relies on 1 player even more than us.

It was JB Bickerstaff when we beat the Cavs, it's Tom right now when JB is outcoaching him.

[Guano]

The thing is, the Pistons have 1 creator, Cade is averaging 102 touches per game which is 3rd in the playoffs behind Haliburton and Jokic. Jalen is averaging 91 per game, we have 1 non shooter on the floor, they have 2 non shooters on the floor. Yet, their offense is running the same as ours, that shouldn't happen under any circumstance.

Their ORTG is 109.1 and ours is 109.2, our offense is running almost exactly the same as theirs, while they have more exploitable weaknesses on offense and rely on 1 player even more.

It also doesn't pass the eye test. Sht js painful as hell to watch. It's bad basketball outside of kqts few explosive clutch plays. And Brunson going nuclear. It hasn't been fun, enjoyable, or aesthetically pleasing

It's ugly basketball from a bygone era.


That's the thing too, listen to some of the non-Knick podcasts, and it's almost always the same complaints about us from outsiders looking in. Zach Lowe on his last podcast basically eviscerated Tom, even though we won, because some of things we do are just inexplicable. He's not in love with the roster, but the coaching has been horrific and that's what he keyed in on. At least the nerd podcasts are now talking about it, Nate Duncan basically loathes Tom

It seems replacing the cosch is the easiest thing to do.

But we still have a mikal problem. Even if a coach gets him in motion more runs him off screens and utilizes his "talents" better.

Also we need a fcking bench. Outside of mitch we dont have NBA players on it. Deeeeez regressed a lot this year. Which has been devastating. So unless that gets addressed. We're playing "better" basketball and still losing tl the Cs or Cavs in the 2nd round cause this is a talent driven league and they're still better than us even if we replace the coach.

[3toheadmelo]

The only difference between this year's playoff team and last year's playoff team in terms of guys who can create is Donte, who was like so so at creating and inconsistent from game to game. Is that really the issue?

Ihart was also a creator from the high post. Randle was a big time creator for us

The biggest difference between this year’s team and last year’s is toughness and defense. This team is extremely soft.

https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/knicks-defensive-rating-by-month-in-2024

The Knicks defensive rating was all over the place last year and they had the 2nd worst defensive rating of all teams during the postseason.

You mean when OG, Mitch went down? Of course it would be horrible without them

[NoDopeOnSundays]

It also doesn't pass the eye test. Sht js painful as hell to watch. It's bad basketball outside of kqts few explosive clutch plays. And Brunson going nuclear. It hasn't been fun, enjoyable, or aesthetically pleasing

It's ugly basketball from a bygone era.


That's the thing too, listen to some of the non-Knick podcasts, and it's almost always the same complaints about us from outsiders looking in. Zach Lowe on his last podcast basically eviscerated Tom, even though we won, because some of things we do are just inexplicable. He's not in love with the roster, but the coaching has been horrific and that's what he keyed in on. At least the nerd podcasts are now talking about it, Nate Duncan basically loathes Tom

It seems replacing the cosch is the easiest thing to do.

But we still have a mikal problem. Even if a coach gets him in motion more runs him off screens and utilizes his "talents" better.

Also we need a fcking bench. Outside of mitch we dont have NBA players on it. Deeeeez regressed a lot this year. Which has been devastating. So unless that gets addressed. We're playing "better" basketball and still losing tl the Cs or Cavs in the 2nd round cause this is a talent driven league and they're still better than us even if we replace the coach.

Mikal will need to rework his shot, if he can get back to shooting off high screens it opens up a lot of things for him. To me, they have to make a decision on what to do about Hart. If he can't fix his shot he's a negative player in my opinion, he doesn't put pressure on the rim, and he can't shoot. Personally, I'd try and turn him into two players, younger guys that could be better if given the chance.


This team should be running a ton of onball screens, but we just don't, and we never have. It's why our bigs are always among the lowest in the league in PnR rollman frequency. Haliburton has the ball more than Brunson, they realistically have 1 creator, yet they have a winning record against .500 or better teams the last two seasons because they spam on ball screens and play true 5 out.

[Jalen Bluntson]

It also doesn't pass the eye test. Sht js painful as hell to watch. It's bad basketball outside of kqts few explosive clutch plays. And Brunson going nuclear. It hasn't been fun, enjoyable, or aesthetically pleasing

It's ugly basketball from a bygone era.


That's the thing too, listen to some of the non-Knick podcasts, and it's almost always the same complaints about us from outsiders looking in. Zach Lowe on his last podcast basically eviscerated Tom, even though we won, because some of things we do are just inexplicable. He's not in love with the roster, but the coaching has been horrific and that's what he keyed in on. At least the nerd podcasts are now talking about it, Nate Duncan basically loathes Tom

It seems replacing the cosch is the easiest thing to do.

But we still have a mikal problem. Even if a coach gets him in motion more runs him off screens and utilizes his "talents" better.

Also we need a fcking bench. Outside of mitch we dont have NBA players on it. Deeeeez regressed a lot this year. Which has been devastating. So unless that gets addressed. We're playing "better" basketball and still losing tl the Cs or Cavs in the 2nd round cause this is a talent driven league and they're still better than us even if we replace the coach.

I agree we need upgrades to the bench but, they don't play enough and are not coached at all. Precious should be playing. Wright/Kolek/Shamet all played well enough when Jalen was out. Not good enough anymore?

I'm really done. Fire Thibs. That's the first step this summer. Anything else can wait.

I don't even have anything else to say. My post history will be the same no matter what the topic is.

Fire Thibs
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[LFGK]

Ihart was also a creator from the high post. Randle was a big time creator for us

The biggest difference between this year’s team and last year’s is toughness and defense. This team is extremely soft.

man I call bullsh*t on this soft stuff, there is nothing soft in this series, guys are all just missing shots they generally make. This has been one of the more physical series' i can remember in recent memory and the Knicks aren't backing down. This soft world is thrown around way to loosely.

So why is Tobias Harris calling us soft? You think he would say that for no reason? We’re letting guys like him, and Schroder punk us and look way better than they are. This team has zero pride.

Tobias is a clown, man just talks, also, just because someone says something makes him rite? man is averaging 16 a game this series not taking anything he says seriously and how are those 2 punking us? because they hit a couple shots? this soft narrative is pure nonsense this series and will be over tomorrow nigh.

[LFGK]

It's ugly basketball from a bygone era.


That's the thing too, listen to some of the non-Knick podcasts, and it's almost always the same complaints about us from outsiders looking in. Zach Lowe on his last podcast basically eviscerated Tom, even though we won, because some of things we do are just inexplicable. He's not in love with the roster, but the coaching has been horrific and that's what he keyed in on. At least the nerd podcasts are now talking about it, Nate Duncan basically loathes Tom

It seems replacing the cosch is the easiest thing to do.

But we still have a mikal problem. Even if a coach gets him in motion more runs him off screens and utilizes his "talents" better.

Also we need a fcking bench. Outside of mitch we dont have NBA players on it. Deeeeez regressed a lot this year. Which has been devastating. So unless that gets addressed. We're playing "better" basketball and still losing tl the Cs or Cavs in the 2nd round cause this is a talent driven league and they're still better than us even if we replace the coach.

I agree we need upgrades to the bench but, they don't play enough and are not coached at all. Precious should be playing. Wright/Kolek/Shamet all played well enough when Jalen was out. Not good enough anymore?

I'm really done. Fire Thibs. That's the first step this summer. Anything else can wait.

I don't even have anything else to say. My post history will be the same no matter what the topic is.

Fire Thibs
Fire Thibs
Fire Thibs
Fire Thibs
Fire Thibs
Fire Thibs
Fire Thibs
Fire Thibs
Fire Thibs
Fire Thibs

you honestly think Kolek and Wright should be getting minutes in this series? They would be defending them no differently the brunson. Shamet maybe should get some time but thats about it.

[3toheadmelo]

Don't agree. There is no timeline where a team of KAT/OG/Mikal/Hart/JB shoots fewer 3's then Detroit. This team's offensive approach has been trash for months.

Well Josh hart is passing up open 3s, Mikal prefers taking tough middies. How is that on the coach?

Take Josh out and put in a center, if your perimeter player has been guarded by a center for 4 months and you still don't have an answer, it's the coach.


We're in a dog fight with a less talented team, how is that not the coach I could see if this were the Pacers or something, but this is the Pistons whose star is playing in them for the first time. It shouldn't be close, no matter how much you dislike the roster this Pistons team is less talented and relies on 1 player even more than us.

It was JB Bickerstaff when we beat the Cavs, it's Tom right now when JB is outcoaching him.

Sounds like a roster problem because we had no issue getting past the Sixers with less talent.

[JayTWill]

Ihart was also a creator from the high post. Randle was a big time creator for us

The biggest difference between this year’s team and last year’s is toughness and defense. This team is extremely soft.

https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/knicks-defensive-rating-by-month-in-2024

The Knicks defensive rating was all over the place last year and they had the 2nd worst defensive rating of all teams during the postseason.

You mean when OG, Mitch went down? Of course it would be horrible without them

We barely saw those 2 play together and the team's overall defense wasn't even good in that period from April into the postseason.

[NoDopeOnSundays]

It seems replacing the cosch is the easiest thing to do.

But we still have a mikal problem. Even if a coach gets him in motion more runs him off screens and utilizes his "talents" better.

Also we need a fcking bench. Outside of mitch we dont have NBA players on it. Deeeeez regressed a lot this year. Which has been devastating. So unless that gets addressed. We're playing "better" basketball and still losing tl the Cs or Cavs in the 2nd round cause this is a talent driven league and they're still better than us even if we replace the coach.

I agree we need upgrades to the bench but, they don't play enough and are not coached at all. Precious should be playing. Wright/Kolek/Shamet all played well enough when Jalen was out. Not good enough anymore?

I'm really done. Fire Thibs. That's the first step this summer. Anything else can wait.

I don't even have anything else to say. My post history will be the same no matter what the topic is.

Fire Thibs
Fire Thibs
Fire Thibs
Fire Thibs
Fire Thibs
Fire Thibs
Fire Thibs
Fire Thibs
Fire Thibs
Fire Thibs

you honestly think Kolek and Wright should be getting minutes in this series? They would be defending them no differently the brunson. Shamet maybe should get some time but thats about it.

Kolek has no business playing in a playoff game, but Wright should get a look. If the point is that we need another ball handler, when Hart goes out Wright should be given a look since he's a vet with a good amount of playoff experience. If he doesn't have it you pull him, it's no different than what the Pistons are doing with Holland, he's 19 and still gets minutes, if he doesn't have it he's pulled quick.


Wright finished the season strong enough that in a playoff series he could get a look, he played well for the Heat last year in them.