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Re: PG Indy - Turn out the lights 

Post#321 » by pifhluk23 » Wed Apr 30, 2025 2:03 pm

Rewatching the end of the game and the last layup by Haliburton, Giannis was either completely gassed or he just wanted to go home. He blocks that or forces a very hard shot 99% of the time.
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Re: PG Indy - Turn out the lights 

Post#322 » by JimmyTheKid » Wed Apr 30, 2025 2:11 pm

pifhluk23 wrote:Rewatching the end of the game and the last layup by Haliburton, Giannis was either completely gassed or he just wanted to go home. He blocks that or forces a very hard shot 99% of the time.


It was a combination of being gassed and Hali being extremely tough to guard in space for a big man. Gotta force him left but should have never come to that. "Just wanted to go home"? C'mon man. This is Giannis.
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Re: PG Indy - Turn out the lights 

Post#323 » by paulpressey25 » Wed Apr 30, 2025 2:14 pm

pifhluk23 wrote:Rewatching the end of the game and the last layup by Haliburton, Giannis was either completely gassed or he just wanted to go home. He blocks that or forces a very hard shot 99% of the time.


He had to play tentatively for a long time with five fouls. Think it just slipped his mind that would be the final play.

Also I know this will be met with boos, but the team didn’t understand how to scheme for Hali or TJ drives without Brook back there guarding the rim.
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Post#324 » by MikeIsGood » Wed Apr 30, 2025 2:19 pm

paulpressey25 wrote:Also I know this will be met with boos, but the team didn’t understand how to scheme for Hali or TJ drives without Brook back there guarding the rim.


100%. This was a failure of games 1-4, too, and is squarely on Doc and the coaching staff. We finally played the right guys, but we weren't able to make subsequent adjustments to fill in the gaps. We should have learned this lesson in game 2 and adjusted for the rest of the series. Instead we were burned in the deciding game.
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Post#325 » by BigO » Wed Apr 30, 2025 2:27 pm

midranger wrote:True or false: Chris Livingston would’ve been more effective in our rotation than Kyle Kuzma?


I know I'm the only one on here that thinks Livingston has some potential, but even if I didn't, Livingston would have been a great improvement over Kuzma.

And really, it's not Kuzma's fault that he's bad. But trading for him and giving up assets and then starting him in big games shows the disfunction of this franchise.
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Post#326 » by Bernman » Wed Apr 30, 2025 2:43 pm

Gross play by Giannis. Green open, & if he's closed it's moved to Trent for a better look at it. Identical to the Heat OT game. 1 of the biggest disappointments of the series was how the offense functioned running the ball thru Giannis. I really thought he turned the corner in this dept.

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Post#327 » by Wonka » Wed Apr 30, 2025 2:45 pm

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midranger wrote:True or false: Chris Livingston would’ve been more effective in our rotation than Kyle Kuzma?


I know I'm the only one on here that thinks Livingston has some potential, but even if I didn't, Livingston would have been a great improvement over Kuzma.

And really, it's not Kuzma's fault that he's bad. But trading for him and giving up assets and then starting him in big games shows the disfunction of this franchise.


Kuzma was apparently going to be "more playable" in the postseason. I think a lot of people forget that you need to have some semblance of basketball IQ to do so...and if you don't have the IQ, you need to be a great shooter. Neither of which can be said for Kuzma.

It was an objective failure. He's a bad player with a low IQ and a high propensity to go completely invisible after a missed shot or two. He's bad on defense and couldn't even be trusted on that end for any meaningful matchups. I feel for the kid, but if he and Doc are back as the main supporting pieces around Giannis, we are f*cked.
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Post#328 » by tydett » Wed Apr 30, 2025 2:54 pm

Wonka wrote:
BigO wrote:
midranger wrote:True or false: Chris Livingston would’ve been more effective in our rotation than Kyle Kuzma?


I know I'm the only one on here that thinks Livingston has some potential, but even if I didn't, Livingston would have been a great improvement over Kuzma.

And really, it's not Kuzma's fault that he's bad. But trading for him and giving up assets and then starting him in big games shows the disfunction of this franchise.


Kuzma was apparently going to be "more playable" in the postseason. I think a lot of people forget that you need to have some semblance of basketball IQ to do so...and if you don't have the IQ, you need to be a great shooter. Neither of which can be said for Kuzma.

It was an objective failure. He's a bad player with a low IQ and a high propensity to go completely invisible after a missed shot or two. He's bad on defense and couldn't even be trusted on that end for any meaningful matchups. I feel for the kid, but if he and Doc are back as the main supporting pieces around Giannis, we are f*cked.


I have never really watched Kuzma play closely before he got on the Bucks, but the number of times he just threw the ball at the direction of the hoop was staggering to me. Literally no touch or finesse, just "if I put the ball in the area of the hoop, it might fall in accidentally." That there is an NBA player making $20 million to play like Philip Seymour Hoffman in Along Came Polly - AND THAT THE BUCKS TARGETED THIS GUY - should be an eternal resume stain.
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Re: PG Indy - Turn out the lights 

Post#329 » by Wonka » Wed Apr 30, 2025 3:08 pm

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BigO wrote:
I know I'm the only one on here that thinks Livingston has some potential, but even if I didn't, Livingston would have been a great improvement over Kuzma.

And really, it's not Kuzma's fault that he's bad. But trading for him and giving up assets and then starting him in big games shows the disfunction of this franchise.


Kuzma was apparently going to be "more playable" in the postseason. I think a lot of people forget that you need to have some semblance of basketball IQ to do so...and if you don't have the IQ, you need to be a great shooter. Neither of which can be said for Kuzma.

It was an objective failure. He's a bad player with a low IQ and a high propensity to go completely invisible after a missed shot or two. He's bad on defense and couldn't even be trusted on that end for any meaningful matchups. I feel for the kid, but if he and Doc are back as the main supporting pieces around Giannis, we are f*cked.


I have never really watched Kuzma play closely before he got on the Bucks, but the number of times he just threw the ball at the direction of the hoop was staggering to me. Literally no touch or finesse, just "if I put the ball in the area of the hoop, it might fall in accidentally." That there is an NBA player making $20 million to play like Philip Seymour Hoffman in Along Came Polly - AND THAT THE BUCKS TARGETED THIS GUY - should be an eternal resume stain.


Don't disrespect the GOAT Phillip Seymour Hoffman like that :lol: :wink:

He's one of those guy's who makes your team better the moment you trade him away or bench him. The young Wizards team was downright GIDDY to have him gone. They laughed at him the entire time we played them in February.
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Post#330 » by aboveAverage » Wed Apr 30, 2025 3:14 pm

We really traded for a Kohl-era Drew Gooden type player in Kuz… Are we sure Hammond or Larry Harris wasn’t involved?
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Post#331 » by th87 » Wed Apr 30, 2025 3:18 pm

midranger wrote:True or false: Chris Livingston would’ve been more effective in our rotation than Kyle Kuzma?


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Post#332 » by th87 » Wed Apr 30, 2025 3:21 pm

MikeIsGood wrote:Does anyone like Kuzma? I feel like we've all got pitchforks out about him, rightfully so, but looking around for someone to yell at. Who are we trying to convince on RGM? lol.


The Bucks brass reading this.

To attach an asset to acquire him is a basketball crime.
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Post#333 » by MikeIsGood » Wed Apr 30, 2025 3:26 pm

th87 wrote:
MikeIsGood wrote:Does anyone like Kuzma? I feel like we've all got pitchforks out about him, rightfully so, but looking around for someone to yell at. Who are we trying to convince on RGM? lol.


The Bucks brass reading this.

To attach an asset to acquire him is a basketball crime.


Yeah, fair. I know we have some intel that there used to be lurkers - maybe there still are. Just feels like an awful lot of trying to convince each other he sucks when I don't think anyone disagrees :lol:
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Post#334 » by th87 » Wed Apr 30, 2025 3:28 pm

Wonka wrote:
BigO wrote:
midranger wrote:True or false: Chris Livingston would’ve been more effective in our rotation than Kyle Kuzma?


I know I'm the only one on here that thinks Livingston has some potential, but even if I didn't, Livingston would have been a great improvement over Kuzma.

And really, it's not Kuzma's fault that he's bad. But trading for him and giving up assets and then starting him in big games shows the disfunction of this franchise.


Kuzma was apparently going to be "more playable" in the postseason. I think a lot of people forget that you need to have some semblance of basketball IQ to do so...and if you don't have the IQ, you need to be a great shooter. Neither of which can be said for Kuzma.

It was an objective failure. He's a bad player with a low IQ and a high propensity to go completely invisible after a missed shot or two. He's bad on defense and couldn't even be trusted on that end for any meaningful matchups. I feel for the kid, but if he and Doc are back as the main supporting pieces around Giannis, we are f*cked.


Both Doc and Kuzma were considered "absolutely not" to everyone here, and yet we managed to acquire both.

Truly masterful work.
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Re: PG Indy - Turn out the lights 

Post#335 » by BigO » Wed Apr 30, 2025 3:38 pm

I was not a Doc fan, but I thought he had some good basketball minds on his bench that made the situation workable.

I was so wrong and some posters warned us about it. Now that I have seen the light, I'm like a former smoker. Get him out of here.
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Post#336 » by Milbucks96 » Wed Apr 30, 2025 5:33 pm

I know it wasn’t a good look, and I’ll probably look back after time has passed and change my opinion, but I’m not mad at Giannis for the after game stuff lol. Idk if anybody here is but just how I’m feeling.

The pacers are actually a pretty good team. I don’t think we beat them fully healthy honestly. That’s the only nice thing I can say about them.
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Post#337 » by DanoMac » Wed Apr 30, 2025 5:36 pm

Milbucks96 wrote:I know it wasn’t a good look, and I’ll probably look back after time has passed and change my opinion, but I’m not mad at Giannis for the after game stuff lol. Idk if anybody here is but just how I’m feeling.


I don't think you'll find anybody here that's upset with Giannis. He stood on business.
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Post#338 » by MickeyDavis » Wed Apr 30, 2025 5:43 pm

BigO wrote:I was not a Doc fan, but I thought he had some good basketball minds on his bench that made the situation workable.

I was so wrong and some posters warned us about it. Now that I have seen the light, I'm like a former smoker. Get him out of here.

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Post#339 » by MrHoneycutt » Wed Apr 30, 2025 5:52 pm

I'm way more downtrodden about everything today
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Post#340 » by machu46 » Wed Apr 30, 2025 5:54 pm

paulpressey25 wrote:
pifhluk23 wrote:Rewatching the end of the game and the last layup by Haliburton, Giannis was either completely gassed or he just wanted to go home. He blocks that or forces a very hard shot 99% of the time.


He had to play tentatively for a long time with five fouls. Think it just slipped his mind that would be the final play.

Also I know this will be met with boos, but the team didn’t understand how to scheme for Hali or TJ drives without Brook back there guarding the rim.


Also feel like it took until OT of our final game for anyone on our team to make an off-ball switch to avoid mismatches (I noticed Bobby came from the corner to switch onto Siakam and pointed for AJ or whoever it was to pick up Nembhard in the corner). Just a really dumb and unathletic team and that's a terrible combination against the Pacers.
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