PG - this is the opposite of fun

[HerSports85]

Sounds like a roster problem because we had no issue getting past the Sixers with less talent.

are we talking about the sixers team with old ass Lowry starting a pg that's worse than brunson on defense and a hobbled Embiid? A team with Batum and Payne as their top bench guys. A way less athletic and defensive team than Detroit??/ Which also took us 6 games to close out.

Hell nah I'll take this Detroit team right now to beat the sixers team.

lol? a hobbled Embiid is better than every center in the league besides Jokic. He averaged 33/11/6 in the playoffs against us and you didn’t even bother to mention Maxey who went shot for shot with Brunson. That Sixers team is sweeping the Pistons lmao

yeah ok ..

[NoDopeOnSundays]

Always going to your photoshops to deflect from your straw manning

That's a screenshot, not a photoshop. Learn the difference.

And another deflection you’re too predictable lol

How many times have I literally posted what your reply would be to me in a screenshot, we gotta be around 10 by now, right? I said "rock bottom" cause I knew you wouldn't able resist trying to flip it, cause thats your go to move.


You really gotta stop the "I know you are, but what am I" type of arguing, it's really boring.

[snadler]

i don't care if they fire thibs. i hope they do actually so we can move past the coaching "issue" and address the roster flaws which everyone will wake up to once we do. unfortunately leon has backed himself into a corner this past summer and making trades to improve the team won't be easy.

This is exactly right, people are scapegoating the poor roster make-up on coaching..can coaching be better for sure, but I can guarantee with a new coach when this time comes around next year with the same roster, people will be having the same concerns

[8516knicks]

It's ugly basketball from a bygone era.


That's the thing too, listen to some of the non-Knick podcasts, and it's almost always the same complaints about us from outsiders looking in. Zach Lowe on his last podcast basically eviscerated Tom, even though we won, because some of things we do are just inexplicable. He's not in love with the roster, but the coaching has been horrific and that's what he keyed in on. At least the nerd podcasts are now talking about it, Nate Duncan basically loathes Tom

It seems replacing the cosch is the easiest thing to do.

But we still have a mikal problem. Even if a coach gets him in motion more runs him off screens and utilizes his "talents" better.

Also we need a fcking bench. Outside of mitch we dont have NBA players on it. Deeeeez regressed a lot this year. Which has been devastating. So unless that gets addressed. We're playing "better" basketball and still losing tl the Cs or Cavs in the 2nd round cause this is a talent driven league and they're still better than us even if we replace the coach.

I agree we need upgrades to the bench but, they don't play enough and are not coached at all. Precious should be playing. Wright/Kolek/Shamet all played well enough when Jalen was out. Not good enough anymore?

I'm really done. Fire Thibs. That's the first step this summer. Anything else can wait.

I don't even have anything else to say. My post history will be the same no matter what the topic is.

Fire Thibs
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Fire Thibs

It's really the ONLY move left Leon can make this summer (win or lose in the 2nd round - IF we get that far).

[Guano]

I miss that high from winning game 4. I want more of that sht.

[HerSports85]

I'll be honest. We didn't look good last postseason or the year before that. And I said it then. We strictly won off the other team being injured, hero ball by Brunson and a miracle shot. I don't recall the team looking good at all. The same struggles we have now is the same struggles we had then and yall want to keep giving Thibs a pass but hold everyone else accountable ... nah that's played out.

Last year we got exposed by not being able to guard the 3.. same thing this season.

Outside of January last season, we were pretty blah. But yes we had tougher personalities. That I do miss. And before this series I sad we were soft too, because we were! But they're battling this series, going up against a top 5 defense.

Detroit and Houston might be the toughest youngest team in the NBA right now.

While I generally agree with you, against Detroit we're either guarding the 3s well or they plain suck shooting them. Either way, 3s aren't why they're so closely competitive.

They're shooting below their season average, but getting open shots. But I wasn't referencing that being our main issue. I'm saying its been an issue with thibs coaching despite who's on the floor. I don't care if it's OG, Mitch, Divo, Mikal... whoever. This is an example of it doesn't matter the personnel the game plan sucks and have been.

[snadler]

I'll be honest. We didn't look good last postseason or the year before that. And I said it then. We strictly won off the other team being injured, hero ball by Brunson and a miracle shot. I don't recall the team looking good at all. The same struggles we have now is the same struggles we had then and yall want to keep giving Thibs a pass but hold everyone else accountable ... nah that's played out.

Last year we got exposed by not being able to guard the 3.. same thing this season.

Outside of January last season, we were pretty blah. But yes we had tougher personalities. That I do miss. And before this series I sad we were soft too, because we were! But they're battling this series, going up against a top 5 defense.

Detroit and Houston might be the toughest youngest team in the NBA right now.

There’s a big difference last year the stagnant offense seemed more because of who wasn’t healthy, this year they are mostly healthy but stagnate even worse

[HerSports85]

i don't care if they fire thibs. i hope they do actually so we can move past the coaching "issue" and address the roster flaws which everyone will wake up to once we do. unfortunately leon has backed himself into a corner this past summer and making trades to improve the team won't be easy.

This is exactly right, people are scapegoating the poor roster make-up on coaching..can coaching be better for sure, but I can guarantee with a new coach when this time comes around next year with the same roster, people will be having the same concerns

I'm fine and looking forward to both. Its obvious that the roster has flaws. But nah you can't keep seeing the same problems for 5 years and be like it's all on this or that player when **** was happening before the came. I think most of the reasonable fans should want to see a coaching and roster change.

[NoDopeOnSundays]

I miss that high from winning game 4. I want more of that sht.

Well, if you get another game high, it'll be the last one of the season cause that Celtics team is sending you off to rehab, in a harsh way.

[3toheadmelo]

are we talking about the sixers team with old ass Lowry starting a pg that's worse than brunson on defense and a hobbled Embiid? A team with Batum and Payne as their top bench guys. A way less athletic and defensive team than Detroit??/ Which also took us 6 games to close out.

Hell nah I'll take this Detroit team right now to beat the sixers team.

lol? a hobbled Embiid is better than every center in the league besides Jokic. He averaged 33/11/6 in the playoffs against us and you didn’t even bother to mention Maxey who went shot for shot with Brunson. That Sixers team is sweeping the Pistons lmao

yeah ok ..

Maxey and Embiid both averaged 30 in the playoffs against us. Thinking that Cade and a bunch of bums can beat them is nasty work

[3toheadmelo]

That's a screenshot, not a photoshop. Learn the difference.

And another deflection you’re too predictable lol

How many times have I literally posted what your reply would be to me in a screenshot, we gotta be around 10 by now, right? I said "rock bottom" cause I knew you wouldn't able resist trying to flip it, cause thats your go to move.


You really gotta stop the "I know you are, but what am I" type of arguing, it's really boring.

Another deflection

[Jeff Van Gully]

Watch on YouTube

[Guano]

I miss that high from winning game 4. I want more of that sht.

Well, if you get another game high, it'll be the last one of the season cause that Celtics team is sending you off to rehab, in a harsh way.

Well damn, if my options are federal prison or rehab... my name is guan0 and I am an addict.

[K_ick_God]

Barring a semi-miracle Bridges is gonna be one of the great busts in Knicks history

[Guano]

And another deflection you’re too predictable lol

How many times have I literally posted what your reply would be to me in a screenshot, we gotta be around 10 by now, right? I said "rock bottom" cause I knew you wouldn't able resist trying to flip it, cause thats your go to move.


You really gotta stop the "I know you are, but what am I" type of arguing, it's really boring.

Another deflection

Nodope vs meLo

[NoDopeOnSundays]

How many times have I literally posted what your reply would be to me in a screenshot, we gotta be around 10 by now, right? I said "rock bottom" cause I knew you wouldn't able resist trying to flip it, cause thats your go to move.


You really gotta stop the "I know you are, but what am I" type of arguing, it's really boring.

Another deflection

Nodope vs meLo

I got more highlights at his expense, he got no memorable bars against me, meanwhile I got classic tracks like

How to snitch
Straw Mane ft Lil Chattie GPT
I know what he finna do


He'll tell you he does, but my catalog is easy to remember, yall still talking about the AI move with disdain. He was close to filing a lawsuit against RealGM when I snitched too, that one hurt.

[3toheadmelo]

Another deflection

Nodope vs meLo

I got more highlights at his expense, he got no memorable bars against me, meanwhile I got classic tracks like

How to snitch
Straw Mane ft Lil Chattie GPT
I know what he finna do


He'll tell you he does, but my catalog is easy to remember, yall still talking about the AI move with disdain. He was close to filing a lawsuit against RealGM when I snitched too, that one hurt.

The narcissism in you thinks people are talking about your posts

[Buttah304]

36-26
20-18
30-27
28-14
28-24

Those are our 3rd Quarters. Not only -33, but we haven’t one a damn one. Scoring 21.8 PPG in the third. Embarrassing and honestly unprofessional

[JayTWill]

i don't care if they fire thibs. i hope they do actually so we can move past the coaching "issue" and address the roster flaws which everyone will wake up to once we do. unfortunately leon has backed himself into a corner this past summer and making trades to improve the team won't be easy.

I agree that the roster is flawed but it doesn't matter if we continue to change the roster if the coach is essentially going to continue to do the same things no matter what. We are always one of the slower paced teams in the league no matter the personnel. Last year we began the season with Brunson, Grimes, RJ, Randle, iHart, IQ, DDV, Hart etc.... plenty of guys that could handle the ball some. You know who was leading the league in time of possession at the beginning of last season? Brunson of course.

Some of you have mentioned swapping KAT for Giannis. What do you think will happen if put Giannis on a team for a coach that loves his rim protecting, rebounding bigs without any concerns for spacing, is obsessed with playing Hart as many minutes as possible in a stagnant offense led by the most ball dominant player in the league over the last 3 seasons under Thibs? The defense should be better but the half court offense would look atrocious.

The Thibs topic has been beaten to death but he has a huge impact on the team for better or worse.

[DimesandKnicks]

It means he dribbles the air out of the ball and when the defense collapses he makes the right play. Getting your teammates involved means setting up the offense and putting players in the right position, I.e running pick and pop with Kat and actually giving him the ball on the pop

We don't run an offense bro. It's a free for all out there with no structure outside of ISO Brunson. He still manages to get plenty of assists out of that mess every night. Most nights when his team can't get it done he takes over and wins games for us. That's the entire offense. The game tells you what to do.

Dude dropped 39/17 for us this season. Is that him pounding the air out of the ball? Stop it. Jalen does what he can with the n limited options he has. This team doesn't even run basic plays on any level.

I swear some of the Thibs defenders watch games being blissfully stoned or so. Literally, take a look at the first 10 possessions....9 of them were iso one on one nonsense. This team does not run any offense...not any. People just don't know ball.

Thibs defender where??!

None of that negates the fact that he pounds the air out of the ball and can drop the ball off to an open player. Setting up an offense is completely different. I.e pointing at Kat to get in the post or inviting Kat to a pick and pop and actually passing it to him on the pop.

He’s the point guard, regardless of if we run an offense or not, which we don’t, doesn’t mean he can’t put players in position and feed them outside of a result of him isolating. He isn’t a good pick and roll pg for example.

Theres a difference between getting teammates involved and passing it to them because in that moment it’s the obvious thing to do. If he didn’t do that he’d just be a nut