Official NBA General Discussion 2024-25 V2.0

[EastonEddy]

I do not care much for a 5 game sample size this on the season as a whole. he is been fine on defense but not elite.

but wait, did you just say Pascal is the best playmaker on the team and he is creating more for his teammates. A team that has Halliburton??? Not only is Siakam not the best shot creator, he is not even the 2nd best playmaker on the team. Also, Haliuburton gets doubled more than Siakam. Wtf are you even saying.

No need to get nasty.

This is not just a five-game sample size, it is a playoff series win in five games against Giannis. Pascal is proving he's an elite performer in the playoffs, something a ridiculous faction on this board always said that he couldn't do .

Pascal plays more of a Yak role for the Pacers, so gets a bunch of hockey assists operating at the top of the key. He then Passes really well out of any double teams - he has way more complexity in his approach than Hali who mostly gets counting stats including benefiting from Pascal getting him the ball in positions where Hali can make easy passes/assists.

I don't know how else to let you know, what you are saying is not backed by anything (regarding playmaking or creator).

Pascal is averaging 0.5 secondary assists this series with 5.3 potential assists. He is also getting doubled a lot less than Haliburton.

Haliburton for example is up to 17 potential assists (3rd behind Jokic and Cade) and 2.3 secondary assists (most in the playoffs). Pacers offense is 23p100 better without Siakam this series. Nehmard has been a better playmaker than Siakam this series.

Edit: I already said Pascal has been great, he just is not the engine to Pacers offense or their best player.

I think best player is debatable. Haliburton has been wildly inconsistent and/or injured since Pascal arrived in Indiana. Pascal is the leading scorer and is way more efficient then Tyrese... Never heard that a teams leading scorer isn't an engine to the offense...

[sidsid]

I’d have taken this version of Jamal in the Olympics instead of whatever it was that we got

He's had lingering injury issues, which has made my 'Himmy' player type assumption harder to prove.

There are basically just 2 players who go from being ho-hum borderline all-stars in the regular season to flashing superstar impact. I think Jimmy just paces himself in the regular season, but I truly believe Murray can't actually unlock his abilities until the pressure is on in the playoffs. Remains the one reason you'd take a buy-low shot at him. The rare low-floor high-ceiling guy.

Brunson on this list is just the insane Knicks non-offense leading to even more Brunson. Doesn't count.

https://bsky.app/profile/keerthikau.bsky.social/post/3lnyz6pw4kk2m

[lobosloboslobos]

Pascal has played 75 playoff games in the past 8 years and was never less than the 2nd option while also being an excellent 2-way player. That in itself is pretty damn impressive.

His FG% in 6 playoff seasons: 61, 47, 40, 48, 54, 56

The only reason he gets so much flak around here is because people wanted him to be a superstar who could carry the team to a title and he never was that guy. But that was us wishing. Nobody is expected to be a superstar, or has to be a superstar to be respected. Especially a guy who picked up a basketball at 15 and nobody round here had ever heard of when we drafted him.

Pascal deserves nothing but love from this fanbase.

[HumbleRen]

No need to get nasty.

This is not just a five-game sample size, it is a playoff series win in five games against Giannis. Pascal is proving he's an elite performer in the playoffs, something a ridiculous faction on this board always said that he couldn't do .

Pascal plays more of a Yak role for the Pacers, so gets a bunch of hockey assists operating at the top of the key. He then Passes really well out of any double teams - he has way more complexity in his approach than Hali who mostly gets counting stats including benefiting from Pascal getting him the ball in positions where Hali can make easy passes/assists.

I don't know how else to let you know, what you are saying is not backed by anything (regarding playmaking or creator).

Pascal is averaging 0.5 secondary assists this series with 5.3 potential assists. He is also getting doubled a lot less than Haliburton.

Haliburton for example is up to 17 potential assists (3rd behind Jokic and Cade) and 2.3 secondary assists (most in the playoffs). Pacers offense is 23p100 better without Siakam this series. Nehmard has been a better playmaker than Siakam this series.

Edit: I already said Pascal has been great, he just is not the engine to Pacers offense or their best player.

I think best player is debatable. Haliburton has been wildly inconsistent and/or injured since Pascal arrived in Indiana. Pascal is the leading scorer and is way more efficient then Tyrese... Never heard that a teams leading scorer isn't an engine to the offense...

It’s really not.

Read on Twitter

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This is what Haliburton was doing BEFORE Siakam got traded there.

By almost every metric, Haliburton is the overwhelming best player and is indisputably the engine of the offence. He’s the most efficient passer the league has ever seen since prime CP3 and Steve Nash.

Haliburton is like the Nash in this and Siakam is like the Amare Stoudamire in this. 2 headed dragon but the engine is clearly the PG in this.

[Los_29]

Watching the Knicks has made me thankful to have our current front office. The worst moves our front office has made are moves that don’t set this franchise back. Dropping 13 spots for cap flexibility, trading a FRP in a terrible draft for Poeltl.

Knicks are in a situation where they went all-in for 2nd-3rd tier talent. They have zero draft capital and guys locked into long-term deals.

Maybe they prove me wrong and go onto the next round and beat Boston but Detroit has been the better team and they are a team with a big 3 of Cade, Beasley and Harris. That’s frightening. lol.

[MiamiSPX]

Watching the Knicks has made me thankful to have our current front office. The worst moves our front office has made are moves that don’t set this franchise back. Dropping 13 spots for cap flexibility, trading a FRP in a terrible draft for Poeltl.

Knicks are in a situation where they went all-in for 2nd-3rd tier talent. They have zero draft capital and guys locked into long-term deals.

Maybe they prove me wrong and go onto the next round and beat Boston but Detroit has been the better team and they are a team with a big 3 of Cade, Beasley and Harris. That’s frightening. lol.

Tobias playing 43 minutes last night is wild, along with 34 for THJ lol. If you are a contender, there is just no way you can allow a team led by those 2 to walk into your arena and win a close-out game.

I have no doubt the Knicks win this series, but now they have to play another high-pressure game, with a team whose starters led the league in minutes by a wide margin, while the defending champs are sitting at home chilling. Oh, and those same champs beat you all 4 times this season, with 3 of them being humiliating blowouts.

I have a feeling they revert to the Knicks of old and double down this summer, somehow acquiring Durant.

[Duffman100]

Watching the Knicks has made me thankful to have our current front office. The worst moves our front office has made are moves that don’t set this franchise back. Dropping 13 spots for cap flexibility, trading a FRP in a terrible draft for Poeltl.

Knicks are in a situation where they went all-in for 2nd-3rd tier talent. They have zero draft capital and guys locked into long-term deals.

Maybe they prove me wrong and go onto the next round and beat Boston but Detroit has been the better team and they are a team with a big 3 of Cade, Beasley and Harris. That’s frightening. lol.

The Bridges trade was rough.

[Nebuchadnezzar]

I don't know how else to let you know, what you are saying is not backed by anything (regarding playmaking or creator).

Pascal is averaging 0.5 secondary assists this series with 5.3 potential assists. He is also getting doubled a lot less than Haliburton.

Haliburton for example is up to 17 potential assists (3rd behind Jokic and Cade) and 2.3 secondary assists (most in the playoffs). Pacers offense is 23p100 better without Siakam this series. Nehmard has been a better playmaker than Siakam this series.

Edit: I already said Pascal has been great, he just is not the engine to Pacers offense or their best player.

I think best player is debatable. Haliburton has been wildly inconsistent and/or injured since Pascal arrived in Indiana. Pascal is the leading scorer and is way more efficient then Tyrese... Never heard that a teams leading scorer isn't an engine to the offense...

It’s really not.

Read on Twitter

?s=46

This is what Haliburton was doing BEFORE Siakam got traded there.

By almost every metric, Haliburton is the overwhelming best player and is indisputably the engine of the offence. He’s the most efficient passer the league has ever seen since prime CP3 and Steve Nash.

Haliburton is like the Nash in this and Siakam is like the Amare Stoudamire in this. 2 headed dragon but the engine is clearly the PG in this.

Anytime all time stats are mentioned about a team in January of a season, you know it's legit /green font

Wasn't that about the time Siakam was being called the worst three point shooter of all time on this board?

[Badonkadonk]

Watching the Knicks has made me thankful to have our current front office. The worst moves our front office has made are moves that don’t set this franchise back. Dropping 13 spots for cap flexibility, trading a FRP in a terrible draft for Poeltl.

Knicks are in a situation where they went all-in for 2nd-3rd tier talent. They have zero draft capital and guys locked into long-term deals.

Maybe they prove me wrong and go onto the next round and beat Boston but Detroit has been the better team and they are a team with a big 3 of Cade, Beasley and Harris. That’s frightening. lol.

Seems Leon Rose went to the BC school of accumulating talent but not really knowing how to assemble a team. I love the focus on D with OG, Bridges and Hart, but Brunson is their dribble penetration threat and is essential to getting the offense moving (unless he's going hero mode).

I do think they'll get a nice bump by upgrading to a coach who can better take advantage of the personnel they have. Thibs tends to force square pegs into round holes. It's also funny that their most critical position on D is held down by KAT.

They need to get bold with trades that rebalances some of that talent to a deeper bench and strong defensive options in their front-court rotation. They also really need to take advantage of Brunson being elite. As a smaller guard who embraces physicality and outsmarts his defenders, when he loses a step I think he falls off a cliff (reminds me of Kyle) and he's 29 at the start of next season.

[Los_29]

I think best player is debatable. Haliburton has been wildly inconsistent and/or injured since Pascal arrived in Indiana. Pascal is the leading scorer and is way more efficient then Tyrese... Never heard that a teams leading scorer isn't an engine to the offense...

It’s really not.

Read on Twitter

?s=46

This is what Haliburton was doing BEFORE Siakam got traded there.

By almost every metric, Haliburton is the overwhelming best player and is indisputably the engine of the offence. He’s the most efficient passer the league has ever seen since prime CP3 and Steve Nash.

Haliburton is like the Nash in this and Siakam is like the Amare Stoudamire in this. 2 headed dragon but the engine is clearly the PG in this.

Anytime all time stats are mentioned about a team in January of a season, you know it's legit /green font

Wasn't that about the time Siakam was being called the worst three point shooter of all time on this board?

I’m not getting into a debate as to who is better. All I know is it’s much closer than I thought.

Stats in January mean very little. Pacers had a few players playing way above their heads.

[HumbleRen]

I think best player is debatable. Haliburton has been wildly inconsistent and/or injured since Pascal arrived in Indiana. Pascal is the leading scorer and is way more efficient then Tyrese... Never heard that a teams leading scorer isn't an engine to the offense...

It’s really not.

Read on Twitter

?s=46

This is what Haliburton was doing BEFORE Siakam got traded there.

By almost every metric, Haliburton is the overwhelming best player and is indisputably the engine of the offence. He’s the most efficient passer the league has ever seen since prime CP3 and Steve Nash.

Haliburton is like the Nash in this and Siakam is like the Amare Stoudamire in this. 2 headed dragon but the engine is clearly the PG in this.

Anytime all time stats are mentioned about a team in January of a season, you know it's legit /green font

Wasn't that about the time Siakam was being called the worst three point shooter of all time on this board?

Hey I get it. This fanbase also thought Demar was better than Lowry while they were together.

[Spates]

No need to get nasty.

This is not just a five-game sample size, it is a playoff series win in five games against Giannis. Pascal is proving he's an elite performer in the playoffs, something a ridiculous faction on this board always said that he couldn't do .

Pascal plays more of a Yak role for the Pacers, so gets a bunch of hockey assists operating at the top of the key. He then Passes really well out of any double teams - he has way more complexity in his approach than Hali who mostly gets counting stats including benefiting from Pascal getting him the ball in positions where Hali can make easy passes/assists.

I don't know how else to let you know, what you are saying is not backed by anything (regarding playmaking or creator).

Pascal is averaging 0.5 secondary assists this series with 5.3 potential assists. He is also getting doubled a lot less than Haliburton.

Haliburton for example is up to 17 potential assists (3rd behind Jokic and Cade) and 2.3 secondary assists (most in the playoffs). Pacers offense is 23p100 better without Siakam this series. Nehmard has been a better playmaker than Siakam this series.

Edit: I already said Pascal has been great, he just is not the engine to Pacers offense or their best player.

I think best player is debatable. Haliburton has been wildly inconsistent and/or injured since Pascal arrived in Indiana. Pascal is the leading scorer and is way more efficient then Tyrese... Never heard that a teams leading scorer isn't an engine to the offense...

Are you a raptors fan? We saw it here for years with Kyle and DeMar.

Pascal has been playing very well, let's not discredit him. As great as he has been, as we saw last year, the Pacers live and die by the quality of Haliburton's play. They're at their when Hali is their best player.

[Boogie!]

Pascal has played 75 playoff games in the past 8 years and was never less than the 2nd option while also being an excellent 2-way player. That in itself is pretty damn impressive.

His FG% in 6 playoff seasons: 61, 47, 40, 48, 54, 56

The only reason he gets so much flak around here is because people wanted him to be a superstar who could carry the team to a title and he never was that guy. But that was us wishing. Nobody is expected to be a superstar, or has to be a superstar to be respected. Especially a guy who picked up a basketball at 15 and nobody round here had ever heard of when we drafted him.

Pascal deserves nothing but love from this fanbase.

Pascal has been great, again no idea why the organization chased him out of town the way they did. He didn’t deserve that at all. Should’ve been praised as highly as fvv if not more. Reminds me of the way they treated Norman Powell when they wanted to get rid of him. Kind of disrespectful.

[sidsid]

There's just no getting around the KAT/Brunson problems.

https://bsky.app/profile/stevejones20.bsky.social/post/3lnypn663ks2i

Bring KAT out or force him to make a good read. Put Brunson in any action and get a free look.

They need a peek Pacers offense if they want to even sniff competitiveness.

[Basketball_Jones]

Kats defense is a problem. You need an elite 4 or 5 defender to cover for him and OG is too small. Worked with Rudy of course. His offense is certainly worth it most nights but you’re gonna be hard pressed to go deep in the playoffs.

[sidsid]

Kats defense is a problem. You need an elite 4 or 5 defender to cover for him and OG is too small. Worked with Rudy of course. His offense is certainly worth it most nights but you’re gonna be hard pressed to go deep in the playoffs.

This team with Porzingis (some alternate reality where they kept him) you can maybe get me there. But I talked myself into KAT/Minny after that Denver series last year too and that KAT disappearing act after closed it for me. I don't think you can win with him if he's just not going to be on all the time.

[WuTang_CMB]

This rockets warriors series is fun

[Brinbe]

wardell doesn't have it tonight. kerr needs to rest his starters and prepare for game 6

[NinjaBro]

Will be great when the wolves eliminate the Lakers tonight. Silver's worst nightmare, both LA teams out of the playoffs early.

[Brinbe]

OTE Amen tonigh