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[Bucksmaniac]

barbershop whispers....but I heard that Doc didnt want to hear anything anyone on his staff had say in those meetings.

It should be a red flag to ownership and Horst that our combined player and coaching staff experience is near the top in the league and we looked woefully unprepared.

[DingleJerry]

I know it wasn’t a good look, and I’ll probably look back after time has passed and change my opinion, but I’m not mad at Giannis for the after game stuff lol. Idk if anybody here is but just how I’m feeling.

The pacers are actually a pretty good team. I don’t think we beat them fully healthy honestly. That’s the only nice thing I can say about them.

I don't think the Pacers are a very good team. Their roster is uninspiring.

I usually pick the team to win with the best players. In this series, I picked the Bucks, because of Giannis.

This is a series where I believe the Bucks would have won with a different coach. His lineups were so bad that I could be convinced he was on the take.

You play last night's lineup for the entire series and I'm convinced the Bucks win.

The Pacers are better than a lot of people think.

The Pacers better than you would assume because they are very well coached. They are a legit, good team, but Carlise gets the most out of that roster.

Ironically, the Bucks are complete opposite of the Pacers. The Bucks are not as good as you would assume because they are very poorly coached.

That's why during the last month of the regular season I was saying we should rest Giannis and take the #6 and try to avoid the Pacers and I was met with a lot of Relax, we are going to beat those clowns (Pacers) in 5 or 6.

The Pacers are a lot better than you think.

The Bucks were a lot worse than you thought.

The Carlise vs Doc coaching match-up alone gave the Bucks pretty much no real shot in this series, I was saying this daily since early March. So it's not hindsight. Although it should have been common sense for everyone.

Yea I've been talking to a friend during this series about how many good players that can shoot Ind has. At some point said its surprising they don't win more, or they should. Then I remember they were in the ECF last year. They're basically right where they should be in the 2nd tier below the real title threats. Very good team but without the elite elite star they probably can't win a title. I assume they're also about to run into a problem of all those young guys coming due for contracts and all will want to be overpaid, so I'd guess the owner will be cheap and start trading some

[BUCKnation]

L2M report says no foul on aj for that late and 1 from Hali, no s***

So they replay the game starting at the beginning of the 2nd OT, right?

Seriously, AJ gets the worst whistle in the league. And this is another thing he was wrongfully blamed for. Add it to the list. He was also at fault for completing a pass out of a trap, supposedly.

I think missing 1 of 2 ft's holding a late lead is boiler plate, unless you're Dame-level in ft shooting & experience. He only shot 81% on super low volume. At <75% you're missing 1 most of the time under no pressure.

Then he got beat by Hali like everyone on our team when they were tired. The notable errors were Gary's 2, KPJ's dribble TO in OT & bad shot late in regulation, + Giannis' non-pass at the end of regulation. Then Doc over-played the starters. And give the Pacers' credit for elite clutchness.

He was trying to contest without fouling and barely contacted him. With all the contact they were allowing it was a lame call.

[emunney]

The league has changed, teams construction are more important and superstars are less important now than they were pre 2016/ This is because everyone is shooting 3s, the variance in shooting has reduced the difference in having a superstar vs not having a superstar.

I don't think any coaches changes the fact that pacers just had more good players that contributed.

And yet, since 2016, the teams that won titles all had top-5 players on them.

I mean you still need a superstar to win it all (likely). I am saying roster construction is just more important now than it was back then. You could have a meh team and as long as you have a superstar that was 50 wins. KG was winning 50 games with bums etc. superstars impact were oversized back then. They played a lot of mins and had more impact on success of their teams in RS and playoffs.


Lakers are probably going to lose to Wolves, just like Nuggets last year. You can't just go into a series saying a team with the superstar wins especially as soon as Dame injuries became a thing. At that point, Pacers were the better team. quality roleplayers are just more important today.

I mean, KG played ~40 minutes/game in the regular season and got out of the first round one time in Minnesota. Everybody you play matters, of course, but not more or less than they used to.

[KidA24]

I'm way more downtrodden about everything today

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[paulpressey25]

Two clear takeaways for me from the game Giannis played last night (and the postgame stuff)

If Giannis wants to stay a Buck and finish his career with us, I’m 100% for it. Would be the best outcome. Build a 40 foot high statue of him now, so he can enjoy it while playing at Fiserv.

If Giannis wants to move on, Horst should be able to write down whatever assets he wants from Houston, and give them ten minutes to accept it. And they’ll accept it.

[MickeyDavis]

Two clear takeaways for me from the game Giannis played last night (and the postgame stuff)

If Giannis wants to stay a Buck and finish his career with us, I’m 100% for it. Would be the best outcome. Build a 40 foot high statue of him now, so he can enjoy it while playing at Fiserv.

If Giannis wants to move on, Horst should be able to write down whatever assets he wants from Houston, and give them ten minutes to accept it. And they’ll accept it.

It would be helpful if Houston got bounced at home tonight. Their recent history is interesting. Their wins have gone 65, 54, 44, 17, 20, 22, 41, 52.

[BigO]

The league has changed, teams construction are more important and superstars are less important now than they were pre 2016/ This is because everyone is shooting 3s, the variance in shooting has reduced the difference in having a superstar vs not having a superstar.

I don't think any coaches changes the fact that pacers just had more good players that contributed.

And yet, since 2016, the teams that won titles all had top-5 players on them.

I mean you still need a superstar to win it all (likely). I am saying roster construction is just more important now than it was back then. You could have a meh team and as long as you have a superstar that was 50 wins. KG was winning 50 games with bums etc. superstars impact were oversized back then. They played a lot of mins and had more impact on success of their teams in RS and playoffs.


Lakers are probably going to lose to Wolves, just like Nuggets last year. You can't just go into a series saying a team with the superstar wins especially as soon as Dame injuries became a thing. At that point, Pacers were the better team. quality roleplayers are just more important today.

I'm still not understanding your point of why roster construction is more important now than a few years ago. If the point is that the salary cap makes it more important, then ya (duh).

As to Indiana, I'm underwhelmed by their roster, just as I am with Milwaukees.

But the lineup the Bucks had last night, significantly outplayed opponents prior to last nights game.

I'll go with the 4 guys the Bucks had out there last night and Giannis in a 7 game series. The Pacers bench is underwhelming except for McConell, whom the Bucks show no respect for. Mathurin is nothing special, although he has talent.

As much as I like to think that talent almost always wins out, in this case, the difference in coaching was enormous. And I don't even think Carlisle is a great coach.

[BigO]

I know it wasn’t a good look, and I’ll probably look back after time has passed and change my opinion, but I’m not mad at Giannis for the after game stuff lol. Idk if anybody here is but just how I’m feeling.

The pacers are actually a pretty good team. I don’t think we beat them fully healthy honestly. That’s the only nice thing I can say about them.

I don't think the Pacers are a very good team. Their roster is uninspiring.

I usually pick the team to win with the best players. In this series, I picked the Bucks, because of Giannis.

This is a series where I believe the Bucks would have won with a different coach. His lineups were so bad that I could be convinced he was on the take.

You play last night's lineup for the entire series and I'm convinced the Bucks win.

The Pacers are better than a lot of people think.

The Pacers better than you would assume because they are very well coached. They are a legit, good team, but Carlise gets the most out of that roster.

Ironically, the Bucks are complete opposite of the Pacers. The Bucks are not as good as you would assume because they are very poorly coached.

That's why during the last month of the regular season I was saying we should rest Giannis and take the #6 and try to avoid the Pacers and I was met with a lot of Relax, we are going to beat those clowns (Pacers) in 5 or 6.

The Pacers are a lot better than you think.

The Bucks were a lot worse than you thought.

The Carlise vs Doc coaching match-up alone gave the Bucks pretty much no real shot in this series, I was saying this daily since early March. So it's not hindsight. Although it should have been common sense for everyone.

A lot of word salad above, but if the point is that the Pacers are better than the Bucks because Doc is a moron, then I am in full agreement.

Every game, except the last one, Doc started Kuzma and Prince (for the first three) and were down big before the first timeout.

So if you told me before the series that Doc would go with Prince and Kuzma, I would easily have picked the Pacers. We're talking about talent. The Pacers have several more talented players than the Bucks, but they don't have Giannis. An average coach would have won that series and i say that even without Dame.

Put in Dame and have Trent or Green coming off the bench and I feel even better. Doc never gave the best players on the team enough playing time the entire season.

[BigO]

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This pisses me off. As someone who decades ago reffed some lower level games, I tried to never call something that I wasn't sure of.

Missing something that happened is defensible. Calling something that didn't happen is inexcusable.

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[drone3]

The come back win against the Wolves proved that this combination was fire. Doc had the data and ignored it until the last KO game. Ridiculous

[trublu]

Yea due to Giannis' poor shooting I would have had the play/plan be all about him attracting the double and having Green/Trent shoot for the win. Of course you tell Giannis if he gets a crease to attack the rim and they'll likely foul, but otherwise just try to bait them to double and let someone else have an open shot. But of course in the nba the star has to shoot in order to be the man, not unlike how Den had Jokic shooting contested fadeaway 3 at the buzzer a few days ago.

I could be convinced, given Jokic's elite BBIQ, that he saw Harden was in the weak side low post area with Gordon lurking behind him, and that was actually a pass.

If he came out and said that, I would believe him.

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[MickeyDavis]

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This pisses me off. As someone who decades ago reffed some lower level games, I tried to never call something that I wasn't sure of.

Missing something that happened is defensible. Calling something that didn't happen is inexcusable.

You get 2 additional timeouts in overtime. You should get an additional challenge as well.

[CharityStripe34]

Yea due to Giannis' poor shooting I would have had the play/plan be all about him attracting the double and having Green/Trent shoot for the win. Of course you tell Giannis if he gets a crease to attack the rim and they'll likely foul, but otherwise just try to bait them to double and let someone else have an open shot. But of course in the nba the star has to shoot in order to be the man, not unlike how Den had Jokic shooting contested fadeaway 3 at the buzzer a few days ago.

I could be convinced, given Jokic's elite BBIQ, that he saw Harden was in the weak side low post area with Gordon lurking behind him, and that was actually a pass.

If he came out and said that, I would believe him.

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Lol sure. That was not a pass.

This is the problem with modern day hoops. If Giannis passed to Green or Trent at the end of regulation and they miss? Well, that's ok the spreadsheet says that was a good attempt. His attempt was clean with nice arc rotation and actually perfect timing, as there maybe would've been .3 left. Given how he was heating up in the 4th I didn't mind that shot. He nailed the same one like 3 possessions earlier or whatever.

Obviously from all perspectives "woulda coulda shoulda."

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[MissKhriddleton]

Giannis taking the last shot of regulation, Dairy’s missed FT, the blown and-1 call, letting Hali walk in for the game winning layup - I’m over it. Not over these two plays though. The first he had so much room to dribble, pass is way late, we still had a timeout at this point. The second one, Dairy makes the correct pass, it’s little low but didn’t even one hop it. Phenomenal up to that point, but just awful, 7th grader level panic under pressure at the end.

Thank god the stakes were as low as they were.

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[Jez2983]

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I agree with this 100%

Sorry Kyle, you just aren't an NBA player deserving of the contract you have.

[rilamann]

We should tell Trent that he can't come back next season with the Bucks unless he changes his name to Bill Buckner jr.

[th87]

Giannis taking the last shot of regulation, Dairy’s missed FT, the blown and-1 call, letting Hali walk in for the game winning layup - I’m over it. Not over these two plays though. The first he had so much room to dribble, pass is way late, we still had a timeout at this point. The second one, Dairy makes the correct pass, it’s little low but didn’t even one hop it. Phenomenal up to that point, but just awful, 7th grader level panic under pressure at the end.

Thank god the stakes were as low as they were.

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Really undermines Dame's assertion that he's cool and confident no matter what.

[tedbrogen]

I’m not blaming the dudes for anything when they basically had to play the entire second half and overtime of a road elimination games because their teammates were garbage and their coach wasn’t creative enough to find ways to properly rest them one at a time. Rollins could have given them 20 decent minutes last night but Doc sat him entirely. AJJ could give you five minutes harassing Hali. PatC could could you a few minutes. Sims could have given them more minutes. I know Sims can’t shoot but neither can Kuz so what’s the difference.

Not to mention Doc calling that first ATO play to get the ball to Trent right on the sidelines to get immediately trapped.