FIRE WELTMAN

[thelead]

We are up against the 2nd apron next season BEFORE Paolo's max contract???? This is the best Weltman can do? GTFO.

In 2026-27 we have just ten players under contract totaling 100.24% of the cap. Team option on Cole with 7.7%.

If we make both picks this year they'll be in there two but will be cheap.

Very healthy cap sheet, nothing to knock Weltman over imo.

why are you talking about the cap sheet in 2026-2027 when the roster isn't good enough today? Do you expect upgrades to come in for free?

[eyriq]

We are up against the 2nd apron next season BEFORE Paolo's max contract???? This is the best Weltman can do? GTFO.

In 2026-27 we have just ten players under contract totaling 100.24% of the cap. Team option on Cole with 7.7%.

If we make both picks this year they'll be in there two but will be cheap.

Very healthy cap sheet, nothing to knock Weltman over imo.

why are you talking about the cap sheet in 2026-2027 when the roster isn't good enough today? Do you expect upgrades to come in for free?

Who exactly are you trading to bring in upgrades that don’t show up on the cap sheet two years from now? Realistically, any retooling moves we're talking about involve swapping long-term salary for long-term salary—there's no net-new money being added through upgrades.

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In 2026-27 we have just ten players under contract totaling 100.24% of the cap. Team option on Cole with 7.7%.

If we make both picks this year they'll be in there two but will be cheap.

Very healthy cap sheet, nothing to knock Weltman over imo.

why are you talking about the cap sheet in 2026-2027 when the roster isn't good enough today? Do you expect upgrades to come in for free?

Who exactly are you trading to bring in upgrades that don’t show up on the cap sheet two years from now? Realistically, any retooling moves we're talking about involve swapping long-term salary for long-term salary—there's no net-new money being added through upgrades.

Moving Carter, Isaac, Cole, declining Gary. Declining and re-signing Moe.

Move those 3 guys + AB + picks to round out the point guard and starting Center spot. Move Goga if some team needing a big can net something.
It's not going to happen, but I'd move KCP also. He's redundant and wont be thrilled coming off the bench.

Use whatever remaining picks that are available to fill out remaining positions.
Magic have 4 picks in this draft if Weltman doesn't trade them for cash. Remaining rookie scale contracts keep the cap low.

You dont need to pay Isaac $15m a season to play 8mpg or Goga $9m to not clock in once in a playoff series. Both are cases of either coaching or front office negligence.

xxx/xxx/Joseph
Suggs/xxx
Franz/xxx/Jett
Paolo/TDS/Houstan
xxx/Moe/Goga

It sucks, but this is what happens when you forgo making real decisions for 4 seasons. Just an uphill battle rounding out a real roster.

[eyriq]

why are you talking about the cap sheet in 2026-2027 when the roster isn't good enough today? Do you expect upgrades to come in for free?

Who exactly are you trading to bring in upgrades that don’t show up on the cap sheet two years from now? Realistically, any retooling moves we're talking about involve swapping long-term salary for long-term salary—there's no net-new money being added through upgrades.

Moving Carter, Isaac, Cole, declining Gary. Declining and re-signing Moe.

Move those 3 guys + AB + picks to round out the point guard and starting Center spot. It's not going to happen, but I'd move KCP also. He's redundant and wont be thrilled coming off the bench.

Use whatever remaining picks that are available to fill out remaining positions. Magic have 4 picks in this draft if Weltman doesn't trade them for cash. Remaining rookie scale contracts keep the cap low.

xxxx/xxxx/Joseph
Suggs/xxxx
Franz/xxx/Jett
Paolo/TDS/Houstan
xxxx/Moe/Goga

It sucks, but this is what happens when you forgo making real decisions for 4 seasons. Just an uphill battle rounding out a real roster.

WCJ, JI, and Cole are all on the books through 2026-27. thelead sounds worried that upgrades will inflate the cap sheet and in reality it'll just be swapping players in existing salary slots, which is by design.

There has been talk that with the new rules free agency would see lower traffic and instead salary slots would be increasingly valuable as player movement via trade gained dominance. It looks like Weltman has positioned the team to exploit this new meta and most fans haven't caught on yet because it's all so new.

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Who exactly are you trading to bring in upgrades that don’t show up on the cap sheet two years from now? Realistically, any retooling moves we're talking about involve swapping long-term salary for long-term salary—there's no net-new money being added through upgrades.

Moving Carter, Isaac, Cole, declining Gary. Declining and re-signing Moe.

Move those 3 guys + AB + picks to round out the point guard and starting Center spot. It's not going to happen, but I'd move KCP also. He's redundant and wont be thrilled coming off the bench.

Use whatever remaining picks that are available to fill out remaining positions. Magic have 4 picks in this draft if Weltman doesn't trade them for cash. Remaining rookie scale contracts keep the cap low.

xxxx/xxxx/Joseph
Suggs/xxxx
Franz/xxx/Jett
Paolo/TDS/Houstan
xxxx/Moe/Goga

It sucks, but this is what happens when you forgo making real decisions for 4 seasons. Just an uphill battle rounding out a real roster.

WCJ, JI, and Cole are all on the books through 2026-27. thelead sounds worried that upgrades will inflate the cap sheet and in reality it'll just be swapping players in existing salary slots, which is by design.

There has been talk that with the new rules free agency would see lower traffic and instead salary slots would be increasingly valuable as player movement via trade gained dominance. It looks like Weltman has positioned the team to exploit this new meta and most fans haven't caught on yet because it's all so new.

The point is that Orlando isn't landing starting level players in positions of need without trades. There is no world where returning this years starters and running it back makes sense.

This team will be a 2nd apron team that just went 41-41. I can guarantee most of those guys will be moved either in consolidation or cap saving trades. You simply cannot pay Jonathan Isaac $15m a year to do nothing. Naz Reid doesnt even make that kind of money coming off the bench.

They will have to move positive assets to shed cap while addressing starting positions somehow.

It is kind of funny you attribute Weltman as being a step ahead of people as a cap guru. Guy just overpaid 4 bench players without a starting caliber Center or Point Guard when his star player said "get me a point guard you idiot".

[eyriq]

Moving Carter, Isaac, Cole, declining Gary. Declining and re-signing Moe.

Move those 3 guys + AB + picks to round out the point guard and starting Center spot. It's not going to happen, but I'd move KCP also. He's redundant and wont be thrilled coming off the bench.

Use whatever remaining picks that are available to fill out remaining positions. Magic have 4 picks in this draft if Weltman doesn't trade them for cash. Remaining rookie scale contracts keep the cap low.

xxxx/xxxx/Joseph
Suggs/xxxx
Franz/xxx/Jett
Paolo/TDS/Houstan
xxxx/Moe/Goga

It sucks, but this is what happens when you forgo making real decisions for 4 seasons. Just an uphill battle rounding out a real roster.

WCJ, JI, and Cole are all on the books through 2026-27. thelead sounds worried that upgrades will inflate the cap sheet and in reality it'll just be swapping players in existing salary slots, which is by design.

There has been talk that with the new rules free agency would see lower traffic and instead salary slots would be increasingly valuable as player movement via trade gained dominance. It looks like Weltman has positioned the team to exploit this new meta and most fans haven't caught on yet because it's all so new.

The point is that Orlando isn't landing starting level players in positions of need without trades. There is no world where returning this years starters and running it back makes sense.

This team will be a 2nd apron team that just went 41-41. I can guarantee most of those guys will be moved either in consolidation or cap saving trades. You simply cannot pay Jonathan Isaac $15m a year to do nothing. Naz Reid doesnt even make that kind of money coming off the bench.

They will have to move positive assets to shed cap while addressing starting positions somehow.

They can effortlessly avoid either apron for quite some time

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WCJ, JI, and Cole are all on the books through 2026-27. thelead sounds worried that upgrades will inflate the cap sheet and in reality it'll just be swapping players in existing salary slots, which is by design.

There has been talk that with the new rules free agency would see lower traffic and instead salary slots would be increasingly valuable as player movement via trade gained dominance. It looks like Weltman has positioned the team to exploit this new meta and most fans haven't caught on yet because it's all so new.

The point is that Orlando isn't landing starting level players in positions of need without trades. There is no world where returning this years starters and running it back makes sense.

This team will be a 2nd apron team that just went 41-41. I can guarantee most of those guys will be moved either in consolidation or cap saving trades. You simply cannot pay Jonathan Isaac $15m a year to do nothing. Naz Reid doesnt even make that kind of money coming off the bench.

They will have to move positive assets to shed cap while addressing starting positions somehow.

They can effortlessly avoid either apron for quite some time

Not sure where you are getting that.

Magic are currently at $199.3m of a $203.4m total cap.
The first apron is set at $195.5m, which means Orlando is in the 1st apron if they do absolutely nothing this offseason by -$3.4m.

That is before paying Paolo, which would lead them into the 2nd apron currently at +$8.4m in space set at $207.8m

Spoiler:

So what are you saying? They should just wait to pay Paolo, decline a few players and address nothing? Yeah Im sure Paolo will be happy with that.

[eyriq]

The point is that Orlando isn't landing starting level players in positions of need without trades. There is no world where returning this years starters and running it back makes sense.

This team will be a 2nd apron team that just went 41-41. I can guarantee most of those guys will be moved either in consolidation or cap saving trades. You simply cannot pay Jonathan Isaac $15m a year to do nothing. Naz Reid doesnt even make that kind of money coming off the bench.

They will have to move positive assets to shed cap while addressing starting positions somehow.

They can effortlessly avoid either apron for quite some time

Not sure where you are getting that.

Magic are currently at $199.3m of a $203.4m total cap.
The first apron is set at $195.5m, which means Orlando is in the 1st apron if they do absolutely nothing this offseason by -$3.4m.

That is before paying Paolo, which would lead them into the 2nd apron currently at +$8.4m in space set at $207.8m

Spoiler:

1. They don’t pay Paolo until 26-27.
2. Declining Moritz or CoJo + Harris takes them under the tax this offseason.
3. Every contract is declining as a percentage of the cap because raises are 5% and the cap is increasing 10%
4. Many of our long term contracts are declining monetarily as well

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They can effortlessly avoid either apron for quite some time

Not sure where you are getting that.

Magic are currently at $199.3m of a $203.4m total cap.
The first apron is set at $195.5m, which means Orlando is in the 1st apron if they do absolutely nothing this offseason by -$3.4m.

That is before paying Paolo, which would lead them into the 2nd apron currently at +$8.4m in space set at $207.8m

Spoiler:

1. They don’t pay Paolo until 26-27.
2. Declining Moritz or CoJo + Harris takes them under the tax.
3. Every contract is declining as a percentage of the cap because raises are 5% and the cap is increasing 10%
4. Many of it our long term contracts are declining monetarily as well

Yeah you arent getting it though..

None of this matters if the roster isnt improved. This is to assume they do NOT land a starting point guard OR upgrade Center.
Declining Moe,Cojo, and Harris is just a loss of assets. It does not improve the team, it just improves money.
I listed the 25-26 payroll. That IS the money next season, declining or not.
When Paolo is paid this team is in the second apron IF they do not move off contracts THIS offseason, which they will.

You are saying to cut players and run it back basically until Paolo is paid without adding anything to the roster.

[eyriq]

Not sure where you are getting that.

Magic are currently at $199.3m of a $203.4m total cap.
The first apron is set at $195.5m, which means Orlando is in the 1st apron if they do absolutely nothing this offseason by -$3.4m.

That is before paying Paolo, which would lead them into the 2nd apron currently at +$8.4m in space set at $207.8m

Spoiler:

1. They don’t pay Paolo until 26-27.
2. Declining Moritz or CoJo + Harris takes them under the tax.
3. Every contract is declining as a percentage of the cap because raises are 5% and the cap is increasing 10%
4. Many of it our long term contracts are declining monetarily as well

Yeah you arent getting it though..

None of this matters if the roster isnt improved. This is to assume they do NOT land a starting point guard OR upgrade Center.
Declining Moe,Cojo, and Harris is just a loss of assets. It does not improve the team, it just improves money.
I listed the 25-26 payroll. That IS the money next season, declining or not.
When Paolo is paid this team is in the second apron IF they do not move off contracts THIS offseason, which they will.

You are saying to cut players and run it back basically until Paolo is paid without adding anything to the roster.

I think we are talking past each other at this point

[Magic_Johnny12]

Weltman finally woke up from his coma and will now try to overhaul 50% of the roster in one off season to try to keep his job lmao.

Our ownership obviously doesn’t trust Weltman enough to the point of giving him an extension prematurely so if I were them I would simply cut ties before he does something that will haunt us for the next couple of decades (trading Oladipo and Sabonis for Terrence Ross and Anžejs Pasečņiks ).

Fire Weltman, keep Parker. Hire Bob Myers and tell him to build a championship team.

[three3d]

Weltman finally woke up from his coma and will now try to overhaul 50% of the roster in one off season to try to keep his job lmao.

Our ownership obviously doesn’t trust Weltman enough to the point of giving him an extension prematurely so if I were them I would simply cut ties before he does something that will haunt us for the next couple of decades (trading Oladipo and Sabonis for Terrence Ross and Anžejs Pasečņiks ).

Fire Weltman, keep Parker. Hire Bob Myers and tell him to build a championship team.

Does no one ever stop and think that maybe Weltman is doing EXACTLY what the DeVos family wants him to be doing! Seriously there’s no way you could beat this bad at your job and not losing if you weren’t doing something right and somebody’s eyes

[thelead]

Weltman finally woke up from his coma and will now try to overhaul 50% of the roster in one off season to try to keep his job lmao.

Our ownership obviously doesn’t trust Weltman enough to the point of giving him an extension prematurely so if I were them I would simply cut ties before he does something that will haunt us for the next couple of decades (trading Oladipo and Sabonis for Terrence Ross and Anžejs Pasečņiks ).

Fire Weltman, keep Parker. Hire Bob Myers and tell him to build a championship team.

Why Bob Myers?

[Idiosyncratic]

Weltman finally woke up from his coma and will now try to overhaul 50% of the roster in one off season to try to keep his job lmao.

Our ownership obviously doesn’t trust Weltman enough to the point of giving him an extension prematurely so if I were them I would simply cut ties before he does something that will haunt us for the next couple of decades (trading Oladipo and Sabonis for Terrence Ross and Anžejs Pasečņiks ).

Fire Weltman, keep Parker. Hire Bob Myers and tell him to build a championship team.

Yeah this is kind of my fear as well. Welp all we can do is sit back and watch.

[Magic_Johnny12]

Weltman finally woke up from his coma and will now try to overhaul 50% of the roster in one off season to try to keep his job lmao.

Our ownership obviously doesn’t trust Weltman enough to the point of giving him an extension prematurely so if I were them I would simply cut ties before he does something that will haunt us for the next couple of decades (trading Oladipo and Sabonis for Terrence Ross and Anžejs Pasečņiks ).

Fire Weltman, keep Parker. Hire Bob Myers and tell him to build a championship team.

Does no one ever stop and think that maybe Weltman is doing EXACTLY what the DeVos family wants him to be doing! Seriously there’s no way you could beat this bad at your job and not losing if you weren’t doing something right and somebody’s eyes

So let me get this right, the Devos family wants to have the worst offense in NBA history and deliberately wants the Magic to be bad and not make playoff revenue (btw this is what ultimately pays the bills). They’re explicitly telling Weltman to be a 2nd apron team with no flexibility while only winning one meaningless playoff game. They’re literally telling Jeff to blatantly ignore their franchise players cries for backcourt help?

Ownership sees progress and sometimes that’s enough to keep your job, injuries also make it a lot harder to analyze.

However, regardless of the internal development from our players. Key word on internal. Jeff Weltman has done a terrible job as the president of basketball operations.

[Magic_Johnny12]

Weltman finally woke up from his coma and will now try to overhaul 50% of the roster in one off season to try to keep his job lmao.

Our ownership obviously doesn’t trust Weltman enough to the point of giving him an extension prematurely so if I were them I would simply cut ties before he does something that will haunt us for the next couple of decades (trading Oladipo and Sabonis for Terrence Ross and Anžejs Pasečņiks ).

Fire Weltman, keep Parker. Hire Bob Myers and tell him to build a championship team.

Why Bob Myers?

He’s a basketball savant. Really smart and well respected around the league (players and front office).

Has a proven track record, championship pedigree and knows what it takes to take homegrown all star talent to the promise land.

Relatively young and can bring a different approach on how we move forward with our team.

[thelead]

Weltman finally woke up from his coma and will now try to overhaul 50% of the roster in one off season to try to keep his job lmao.

Our ownership obviously doesn’t trust Weltman enough to the point of giving him an extension prematurely so if I were them I would simply cut ties before he does something that will haunt us for the next couple of decades (trading Oladipo and Sabonis for Terrence Ross and Anžejs Pasečņiks ).

Fire Weltman, keep Parker. Hire Bob Myers and tell him to build a championship team.

Why Bob Myers?

He’s a basketball savant. Really smart and well respected around the league (players and front office).

Has a proven track record, championship pedigree and knows what it takes to take homegrown all star talent to the promise land.

Relatively young and can bring a different approach on how we move forward with our team.

From my understanding, other than landing Durant on a lucky year where the salary cap exploded, what did he build? Weren't Steph, Draymond, and Klay all drafted by another GM? He was the guy who drafted Wiseman and Kuminga from what I know. I think the one smart move that he made, off the top of my head, was hire Kerr...

[Idiosyncratic]

Why Bob Myers?

He’s a basketball savant. Really smart and well respected around the league (players and front office).

Has a proven track record, championship pedigree and knows what it takes to take homegrown all star talent to the promise land.

Relatively young and can bring a different approach on how we move forward with our team.

From my understanding, other than landing Durant on a lucky year where the salary cap exploded, what did he build? Weren't Steph, Draymond, and Klay all drafted by another GM? He was the guy who drafted Wiseman and Kuminga from what I know. I think the one smart move that he made, off the top of my head, was hire Kerr...

I think he drafted Draymond. Also traded for Iguodala. Made several moves for key role players, drafted Poole/Looney late. Also had a hand in the Washington Commanders recent resurgence. Myers to me is a winner. I don't think we will get rid of Weltman though so kind of moot. Heard the Suns and Hawks want him.

[Skin]

Interviewer tells Paolo in his exit interview, who is now heading into his 4th season.... "Weltman said he's in win now mode now."

You can't make this up NOW we're in win now mode? More like GET FIRED MODE! TOO LATE BUDDY BOY!!!! You have no moves left and admitting that for the last 7 years you have NOT been in win now mode is intolerable.

[eyriq]

Interviewer tells Paolo in his exit interview, who is now heading into his 4th season.... "Weltman said he's in win now mode now."

You can't make this up NOW we're in win now mode? More like GET FIRED MODE! TOO LATE BUDDY BOY!!!! You have no moves left and admitting that for the last 7 years you have NOT been in win now mode is intolerable.

It's the natural progression of a rebuild.