Official 2025 Offseason Thread

[basketballRob]

Gary “Hamstring” Harris has zero trade value lol, but he does have a $7.5M team option next season

He's a good defender. We'll likely fill his roster with a more offensive minded player.

I guarantee Black won't be traded.

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I see Black being traded... if he had showcased more playmaking skills i think he would've been off limits. But he has only shown to be defensive player with not much else to offer in other ways. He'd make sense on teams like Chicago or Portland where his mistakes and deficiencies would be overlooked while having more playing time. With this new iteration of the Magic trying to play winning basketball and adding proven vets and play focused/concentrated/complimentary basketball. He doesn't belong on this team.

I think Paolo, Wendell, Franz, KCP, Suggs, and Black will all be here.

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[OrlandoDream]

He's a good defender. We'll likely fill his roster with a more offensive minded player.

I guarantee Black won't be traded.

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I see Black being traded... if he had showcased more playmaking skills i think he would've been off limits. But he has only shown to be defensive player with not much else to offer in other ways. He'd make sense on teams like Chicago or Portland where his mistakes and deficiencies would be overlooked while having more playing time. With this new iteration of the Magic trying to play winning basketball and adding proven vets and play focused/concentrated/complimentary basketball. He doesn't belong on this team.

I think Paolo, Wendell, Franz, KCP, Suggs, and Black will all be here.

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Then get ready to give up TDS and multiple picks because were not getting many quality players without giving up some of those contracts.

[Rainwater]

they're SAYING the right things.....lets see what they actually DO

He typically does what he says. When they said they would build from within they did. I am fully expecting trades to be made.

[dsg2021]

White and Porzingis would be fantastic fits.

I think we have to look at two tracks this summer side by side. Track one if we can afford one more expensive star like Porzingis or better. And track two if we are done with contracts above 30 mil. Instead of assuming which one, maybe just follow both in summer ideas.

[JF5]

I see Black being traded... if he had showcased more playmaking skills i think he would've been off limits. But he has only shown to be defensive player with not much else to offer in other ways. He'd make sense on teams like Chicago or Portland where his mistakes and deficiencies would be overlooked while having more playing time. With this new iteration of the Magic trying to play winning basketball and adding proven vets and play focused/concentrated/complimentary basketball. He doesn't belong on this team.

I think Paolo, Wendell, Franz, KCP, Suggs, and Black will all be here.

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Then get ready to give up TDS and multiple picks because were not getting many quality players without giving up some of those contracts.

This... On top of the fact he's going to be in his 3rd year and has 1 more year left on his contract (which puts the Magic in a precarious situation if he doesn't improve and you lost him at the height of his value this offseason on a reasonable contract if you dont move him now) and he still he looks far from a reliable rotational player for the Magic...

Plus, trading Tristan Da Silva, Jett Howard and picks won't be enough. Hell, Wendell Carter Jr. doesnt have as much value as Black currently. He's already 26 Years Old Big Man and an Average Center who won't improve much going forward.

Black will be the centerpiece of any deal for another scoring guard coming in. It would be very difficult to not include him given the other assets this team has.

[drsd]

I love the Porzingis idea. Contracts with team options can be traded and Boston gets immediate cap relief by declining the options.

Respectfully, where would the Magic find 30M under the lux-tax to acquire Porziņģis?

[pepe1991]

I love the Porzingis idea. Contracts with team options can be traded and Boston gets immediate cap relief by declining the options.

Respectfully, where would the Magic find 30M under the lux-tax to acquire Porziņģis?

nowhere.

Needless to say that even if they did, without dumping somebody for nothing, Magic would be second apron team. Before re-singing Banchero and Zingis.

Only trades that we can make is to add assets to get rid of Carter, KCP and Isaac.

by assets only serious asset you have are: Black, Suns pick and own picks. Maybe some Lakers can see Goga as cheap backup. But in that case it's Goga + Jett (or Houstan) for Gabe Vincent at best.

And this all goes back full circle to summer of 2024 when we resigned all the bums we had because Weltman's ego is too big to let failed investments go. Watch him get Fultz back

[KillMonger]

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[Furinkazan]

It wouldnt surprise me if we finally end up with Dejounte Murray

[Skybox]

I think Paolo, Wendell, Franz, KCP, Suggs, and Black will all be here.

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Then get ready to give up TDS and multiple picks because were not getting many quality players without giving up some of those contracts.

This... On top of the fact he's going to be in his 3rd year and has 1 more year left on his contract (which puts the Magic in a precarious situation if he doesn't improve and you lost him at the height of his value this offseason on a reasonable contract if you dont move him now) and he still he looks far from a reliable rotational player for the Magic...

Plus, trading Tristan Da Silva, Jett Howard and picks won't be enough. Hell, Wendell Carter Jr. doesnt have as much value as Black currently. He's already 26 Years Old Big Man and an Average Center who won't improve much going forward.

Black will be the centerpiece of any deal for another scoring guard coming in. It would be very difficult to not include him given the other assets this team has.

Exactly…it’s a compliment…a lot of people on here have some idea that we need to trade away guys who “we’re fed up with” which is irrational. If anyone thinks we’re just going to jettison Cole, Isaac, KCP, Goga, whoever and somehow return the players of our dreams

Get ready to empty the pick stash and/or break into the cabinet of players we would like to keep…some of the same guys that have neutral to negative value today, would’ve had positive trade value previously (before latest paydays). I don’t know if it’ll be AB, but if not- it might have to be Suggs…hard for Weltman to move off KCP right after his “big signing” last summer…one of those three likely has to go if there’s an acquisition bigger than, say, Simons, Sexton or CJ, imo…pick(s) have to go, regardless - that’s not even an argument.

If he can’t get a bite, maybe it’s painful chopping of Moe, who could hold value, sadly as an expiring- due to his injury.

Strap in- it will be costly/painful or it will be inconsequential. He will do something- we’ll see how courageous. No sympathy here- he put himself in this weak position.

[basketballRob]

I think the draft picks are the assets. We aren't talking about trading for Haliburton or Fox.

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[Skybox]

I think the draft picks are the assets. We aren't talking about trading for Haliburton or Fox.

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That’s obvious - the point is there MUST be salaries going out and most of ours are negative value (which means even more draft equity just to get to break even)…for the right guy, maybe we eat some bad salary, but it’s not like we have any breathing room there either…many more angles last year.

One year ago, we were the same team. Took a lesser playoff team to 7 games, cap room like only BRK has and all of our frps +2. This year, we have no cap space, not eligible for MLE, depreciated assets with new extensions/TO. It will take more proactive courage than Weltman has ever shown to make deal(s) just to get to the MLE, let alone make a move to improve the team. He’s stacked the deck against himself and he’s admitted it’s, undeniably, time for action.

I’m excited to watch but, even if he pulls something great off- it could have been easier and earlier.

[Skybox]

Is it possible, timing-wise, to trade TO guys like Moe, Caleb, Gary, CoJo PRIOR to their option date? Effectively use them like cap space?

(I don’t think so but…)

For example, ORL sends Moe, Caleb and picks for Player X. Other team immediately declines TOs on both, never pays them a penny, basically Player X is a salary dump.

Anyone? I guess the option dates would be critical, but there might be specific rules about trading TO.

[basketballRob]

I think the draft picks are the assets. We aren't talking about trading for Haliburton or Fox.

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That’s obvious - the point is there MUST be salaries going out and most of ours are negative value (which means even more draft equity just to get to break even)…for the right guy, maybe we eat some bad salary, but it’s not like we have any breathing room there either…many more angles last year.

One year ago, we were the same team. Took a lesser playoff team to 7 games, cap room like only BRK has and all of our frps +2. This year, we have no cap space, not eligible for MLE, depreciated assets with new extensions/TO. It will take more proactive courage than Weltman has ever shown to make deal(s) just to get to the MLE, let alone make a move to improve the team. He’s stacked the deck against himself and he’s admitted it’s, undeniably, time for action.

I’m excited to watch but, even if he pulls something great off- it could have been easier and earlier.

We don't need to include Black in any deal like some are claiming.

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[basketballRob]

Is it possible, timing-wise, to trade TO guys like Moe, Caleb, Gary, CoJo PRIOR to their option date? Effectively use them like cap space?

(I don’t think so but…)

For example, ORL sends Moe, Caleb and picks for Player X. Other team immediately declines TOs on both, never pays them a penny, basically Player X is a salary dump.

Anyone? I guess the option dates would be critical, but there might be specific rules about trading TO.

I don't think so.

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[pepe1991]

Is it possible, timing-wise, to trade TO guys like Moe, Caleb, Gary, CoJo PRIOR to their option date? Effectively use them like cap space?

(I don’t think so but…)

For example, ORL sends Moe, Caleb and picks for Player X. Other team immediately declines TOs on both, never pays them a penny, basically Player X is a salary dump.

Anyone? I guess the option dates would be critical, but there might be specific rules about trading TO.

I don't think so.

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yea that's impossible.

Players and teams options have to be picked by June 29th.
You can't make trades until June 30th.

It's done in such fashion on purpose, team/players options are official end season 2024-25 ends on June 29th with that deadline.
Next day it's officially "new season".

You can't sign new FAs untl June 6th

[Skybox]

I think the draft picks are the assets. We aren't talking about trading for Haliburton or Fox.

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That’s obvious - the point is there MUST be salaries going out and most of ours are negative value (which means even more draft equity just to get to break even)…for the right guy, maybe we eat some bad salary, but it’s not like we have any breathing room there either…many more angles last year.

One year ago, we were the same team. Took a lesser playoff team to 7 games, cap room like only BRK has and all of our frps +2. This year, we have no cap space, not eligible for MLE, depreciated assets with new extensions/TO. It will take more proactive courage than Weltman has ever shown to make deal(s) just to get to the MLE, let alone make a move to improve the team. He’s stacked the deck against himself and he’s admitted it’s, undeniably, time for action.

I’m excited to watch but, even if he pulls something great off- it could have been easier and earlier.

We don't need to include Black in any deal like some are claiming.

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True…and other teams don’t have to include the guy we want either

[Skybox]

Is it possible, timing-wise, to trade TO guys like Moe, Caleb, Gary, CoJo PRIOR to their option date? Effectively use them like cap space?

(I don’t think so but…)

For example, ORL sends Moe, Caleb and picks for Player X. Other team immediately declines TOs on both, never pays them a penny, basically Player X is a salary dump.

Anyone? I guess the option dates would be critical, but there might be specific rules about trading TO.

I don't think so.

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yea that's impossible.

Players and teams options have to be picked by June 29th.
You can't make trades until June 30th.

It's done in such fashion on purpose, team/players options and official season 2024-25 ends on June 29th with that deadline.

Thought so. Thx

[eyriq]

Is it possible, timing-wise, to trade TO guys like Moe, Caleb, Gary, CoJo PRIOR to their option date? Effectively use them like cap space?

(I don’t think so but…)

For example, ORL sends Moe, Caleb and picks for Player X. Other team immediately declines TOs on both, never pays them a penny, basically Player X is a salary dump.

Anyone? I guess the option dates would be critical, but there might be specific rules about trading TO.

My understanding is that acquiring the players before the option dates allows teams to decline the option and free up cap space.

Edit: I see Pepes post. That sucks lol

[Skybox]

Is it possible, timing-wise, to trade TO guys like Moe, Caleb, Gary, CoJo PRIOR to their option date? Effectively use them like cap space?

(I don’t think so but…)

For example, ORL sends Moe, Caleb and picks for Player X. Other team immediately declines TOs on both, never pays them a penny, basically Player X is a salary dump.

Anyone? I guess the option dates would be critical, but there might be specific rules about trading TO.

My understanding is that acquiring the players before the option dates allows teams to decline the option and free up cap space.

Edit: I see Pepes post. That sucks lol

I understand the point of the rule…was a sneaky idea