Lillard comes home [UTA - MIL]

[babyjax13]

Utah needs more for Dames contract. That’s a horrendously large amount of money to pay for the next two seasons for a swap in 2031 and Utah giving up a ick this year. Easy, easy pass.

It's really hard to triangulate what fair value is vs. what Milwaukee can/would/should offer vs. what other deals are available. But I'll say this, Milwaukee is leveraging the last of their assets to improve their team here. They won't own their own pick for 7 years, they'll have very few firsts in the interim years, they will have almost no young players, and by the time that pick comes around Giannis will be 36. If he asks for a trade they'll have to rebuild and it might be without their own picks, too, which means a long process. I really value high upside plays, and this is that. The downside, really, is the extra year of Dame. But if he comes back in 26-27 and looks good he will be tradable for value, so I would actually bank on being able to recoup the lost value of the 21st pick pretty easily. Personally, I see the debate hinging on the inclusion of the first from our end, but I also think to convince Milwaukee to burn their semi-distant future to ashes, it has to be there. YMMV.

To take on terrible salary you need more than a swap. And you 100% need a lot more than a swap if you are sending out a pick now. I’m not taking on Dames contract until they can trade Giannis and get a bajillion picks and send back 1-2 unprotected picks (depending on year, team, etc). Or like 3-4 swaps. His contract is hot garbage. He isn’t playing next year and there is almost no chance he comes back the season after and proves he is worth anywhere close to his contract.

Honestly and politely…this would be one of the worst trades the Jazz have ever made in its current form. Quite possibly the worst.

You make a lot of trade offers and I get it…it’s fun and part of why this site exists. And you seem to look at both sides and try to make a reasonable offer usually. But this one isn’t it. If I was the Bucks GM I would make this trade and be trashing Ainge for days. 100+ million for a swap AND I get a pick this year?

I don't really think his injury is career ending, so I think he will have trade value. To me this is one year of dead money, but we'd have to pay Collins and Sexton anyway.

[Laimbeer]

Utah is giving value for a negative contract, imo. The Bucks do it without the pick.

[jayjaysee]

If Boston is really willing to dump value for salary..

I feel like the OP can be expended really easily with Jrue back to Giannis… or KP taking Brolo’s spot..

[babyjax13]

If Boston is really willing to dump value for salary..

I feel like the OP can be expended really easily with Jrue back to Giannis… or KP taking Brolo’s spot..

I like the KP adaptation for Milwaukee. As a Jazz fan, I'd love them to do the Jrue piece, though, because they are just locking themselves into long-term money and I don't think they'd have a path to contention like that.

[Daddy 801]

It's really hard to triangulate what fair value is vs. what Milwaukee can/would/should offer vs. what other deals are available. But I'll say this, Milwaukee is leveraging the last of their assets to improve their team here. They won't own their own pick for 7 years, they'll have very few firsts in the interim years, they will have almost no young players, and by the time that pick comes around Giannis will be 36. If he asks for a trade they'll have to rebuild and it might be without their own picks, too, which means a long process. I really value high upside plays, and this is that. The downside, really, is the extra year of Dame. But if he comes back in 26-27 and looks good he will be tradable for value, so I would actually bank on being able to recoup the lost value of the 21st pick pretty easily. Personally, I see the debate hinging on the inclusion of the first from our end, but I also think to convince Milwaukee to burn their semi-distant future to ashes, it has to be there. YMMV.

To take on terrible salary you need more than a swap. And you 100% need a lot more than a swap if you are sending out a pick now. I’m not taking on Dames contract until they can trade Giannis and get a bajillion picks and send back 1-2 unprotected picks (depending on year, team, etc). Or like 3-4 swaps. His contract is hot garbage. He isn’t playing next year and there is almost no chance he comes back the season after and proves he is worth anywhere close to his contract.

Honestly and politely…this would be one of the worst trades the Jazz have ever made in its current form. Quite possibly the worst.

You make a lot of trade offers and I get it…it’s fun and part of why this site exists. And you seem to look at both sides and try to make a reasonable offer usually. But this one isn’t it. If I was the Bucks GM I would make this trade and be trashing Ainge for days. 100+ million for a swap AND I get a pick this year?

I don't really think his injury is career ending, so I think he will have trade value. To me this is one year of dead money, but we'd have to pay Collins and Sexton anyway.

Politely…I strongly disagree.

We have no idea if Dame will ever be worth anything again. He wasn’t even looking that good since being traded to the Bucks. And the new CBA bad money is even worse than before. There is zero chance a team is winning with 100 million tied up in their top two players and once of them is out. And even if Dame comes back to the player he was before the injury not many teams are going to want a player who gets torched on defense. Teams were targeting him already and he will be two years older coming off a serious injury. I don’t see teams being all that interested even if he has an expiring deal.

There are not a lot of teams in the position who would even consider taking Dames contract. If Utah is sending Sexton and Collins plus taking back Dame I would want at minimum 2 unprotected picks or 1 unprotected pick and two swaps. If the Jazz are sending Lauri and Sexton or Lauri and Collins I would want at minimum 3 unprotected picks or 2 unprotected picks and two swaps.

Taking Dames contract is literally what could save the Bucks from having to blow it up and ship out Giannis. In no world is it worth one swap.

[Godymas]

Not getting Lauri is a mistake

Actually Utah and Lauri could 100% bail out MIL here. Lauri is too old for their rebuild anyways and his value is pretty low on the new deal, but the fit next to Giannis would be great.

[babyjax13]

Not getting Lauri is a mistake

Actually Utah and Lauri could 100% bail out MIL here. Lauri is too old for their rebuild anyways and his value is pretty low on the new deal, but the fit next to Giannis would be great.

Milwaukee doesn't have the assets to add to Lillard to get Lauri.