2025 NBA Draft Discussion Part 6

[billy_hoyle]

Mike Miller was easily a top 4 pick in his draft.

Steph Castle will also likely be a top 4 pick in a re-draft.

At least use Micheal Carter Williams, Tyreke Evans or Ben Simmons as your examples.

No, they were salient to my point. You think I'm saying we made a bad decision selecting those guys. I am not saying that. I do not believe we dropped the ball with those picks, as I discussed with Los_29. I just think we didn't get the value we hoped for out of the slot. It speaks to the weakness of the draft, not our management.

You're also of the opinion that DeMar was a bad pick at nine. A guy who will almost assuredly makes the Hall of Fame. I think your valuations are a bit too statistics driven.

I don't consider the HoF worth discussing, so that doesn't mean much to me either. I think that Demar worked out for us in the sense that we were able to build a team which was quite successful with him as a part of it. And I was very happy when we traded him, as well.

I bet Scottie is an all-star again next year and we win alot of games.

I bet we win a lot more games than we did this year, for sure. I hope Scottie is good enough to actually merit being an AS next year. I'd very much enjoy that.

What's the expected value of the 4th pick?

If guys like Mike Miller and Steph Castle are good early, and still qet picked at 4 or better after it's all said and done, then I think your expected value of the 4th pick is skewed.

That's my point. I understand your point.

[tsherkin]

What's the expected value of the 4th pick?

If guys like Mike Miller and Steph Castle are good early, and still qet picked at 4 or better after it's all said and done, then I think your expected value of the 4th pick is skewed.

When I look at the 4th overall pick, I don't want Kyle Korver as my result. Nor whatever Castle is right now.

We can agree to disagree on the EV for the 4th overall pick, that's fine.

[WuTang_CMB]

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[douggood]

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how did the raptors end up ahead of the spurs interms of picks assets

[niQ]

CMB
Carter Bryant

Carter Bryant is pure 3+D at this point. He doesn't have any creation. Edgecombe is a two way guy as he can attack closeouts. I dropped Edgecombe to #4 because of his lack of half court creation, but he's still young, extremely athletic, and has a good feel for the game along with a decent shot.

Edgecome will be good and should be included. Just the defense isn’t as good as those two. He’s going to need to live in the gym the first few years

Interesting, I thought Edgecombe's defense was one of his top selling points. But I guess still hard to guard up.

[PushDaRock]

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how did the raptors end up ahead of the spurs interms of picks assets

Being ahead of the Pelicans makes even less sense to me

[douggood]

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how did the raptors end up ahead of the spurs interms of picks assets

Being ahead of the Pelicans makes even less sense to me

woo made many errors

i didnt even get down to pelicans

Incoming future first-round picks: 8
All seven of their own
Top-four first from Milwaukee (2027)
Top-four protected first from Indiana (2026, top-4 protected in 2027)
Swap rights with Milwaukee (2026)

by my count that is 9 picks not 8 as he has listed

other mistakes griz have 6 picks not 7

[Psubs]

Carter Bryant is pure 3+D at this point. He doesn't have any creation. Edgecombe is a two way guy as he can attack closeouts. I dropped Edgecombe to #4 because of his lack of half court creation, but he's still young, extremely athletic, and has a good feel for the game along with a decent shot.

Edgecome will be good and should be included. Just the defense isn’t as good as those two. He’s going to need to live in the gym the first few years

Interesting, I thought Edgecombe's defense was one of his top selling points. But I guess still hard to guard up.

I would say that Bryant can do everything VJ does on defense, plus guard PF's in the post.

[Pointgod]

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how did the raptors end up ahead of the spurs interms of picks assets

Being ahead of the Pelicans makes even less sense to me

And Detroit being 6 makes me think Bobby Marks was drinking when he put this together.

[Basketball_Jones]

Mal/Tre/Bryant I’m hoping for one of them in that order. Unless we move up. Coincidentally I feel the 7th spot is where the draft really starts, nobody knows what’s happening from then on.

[Indeed]

Edgecome will be good and should be included. Just the defense isn’t as good as those two. He’s going to need to live in the gym the first few years

Interesting, I thought Edgecombe's defense was one of his top selling points. But I guess still hard to guard up.

I would say that Bryant can do everything VJ does on defense, plus guard PF's in the post.

I guess Edgecombe may have a quick first step with the ball, while Bryant doesnt quite have a handle, and maybe just a slight quicker first step at his position. More than often, combine will have forwards and center moving up, so we shall see

[Mark_83]

It begins. The Coulibaly-like rise up draft boards for Carter Bryant seems like an inevitability at this point. He's a better talent than both Coulibaly and Salaun imo.

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/6291015/2025/05/01/nba-mock-draft-2025-cooper-flagg-tre-johnson/

9. San Antonio Spurs
Carter Bryant | 6-8 wing | 19 years old | Arizona

The Spurs have a few needs, including shooting and wing defense. Devin Vassell and Keldon Johnson have never really developed defensively, and Harrison Barnes turns 33 next month. Stephon Castle is one player they should trust, but they could use a real 3-and-D wing to put next to Castle, De’Aaron Fox and Victor Wembanyama. Bryant profiles perfectly there as a long-term replacement for Barnes. The 6-8 wing didn’t start many games this year at Arizona, but he was a monster defensive player when he was on the court, showcasing serious playmaking chops as well as great on-ball play. He also knocks down a solid percentage of his 3s. Bryant is the guy in this class who seems to have a ton of juice when you talk to front offices, and it wouldn’t surprise me to see him land in the top 10 when it’s all said and done. I think I’d park his range in the No. 7 to No. 16 area.

[WuTang_CMB]

Givony gushing over Queen on NBA today

"blown away by his personality and his charisma .. spent 30 minutes with him"

"talked about anthony davis, jokic.. who he studies"

"understands he needs work on his conditioning"

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[Brinbe]

Combine gonna have a lot more prominence this year with things in flux so much beneath Flagg/Harper.

[XTC]

What's the expected value of the 4th pick?

If guys like Mike Miller and Steph Castle are good early, and still qet picked at 4 or better after it's all said and done, then I think your expected value of the 4th pick is skewed.

When I look at the 4th overall pick, I don't want Kyle Korver as my result. Nor whatever Castle is right now.

We can agree to disagree on the EV for the 4th overall pick, that's fine.

2010 - Wesley Johnson
2011 - Tristan Thompson
2012 - Dion Waiters
2013 - Cody Zellers
2014 - Aaron Gordon
2015 - Kristaps Porzingis
2016 - Dragan Bender
2017 - Josh Jackson
2018 - Jaren Jackson Jr
2019 - DeAndre Hunter
2020 - Patrick Williams
2021 - Scottie Barnes
2022 - Keegan Murray
2023 - Amen Thompson
2024 - Stephon Castle

Those have been the #4 picks since 2010. Kyle Korver would be one of the better players selected #4 on this list (if he was a #4 pick). I think basketball fans need to temper expectations if you're ideally not selecting top 2 in any draft. Getting a star player after the top 2 pick becomes super rare if you're not dealing with a generation draft.

Part of the reason why I think Masai's 2016 was a franchise altering draft, he came out with amazing value. He drafted a guy who made a couple All NBA teams (Siakam), a 1x allstar and one of the better defensive guards (FVV), and a legit starting center that netted us Kawhi (Poeltl).

[MainEvent]

It begins. The Coulibaly-like rise up draft boards for Carter Bryant seems like an inevitability at this point. He's a better talent than both Coulibaly and Salaun imo.

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/6291015/2025/05/01/nba-mock-draft-2025-cooper-flagg-tre-johnson/

9. San Antonio Spurs
Carter Bryant | 6-8 wing | 19 years old | Arizona

The Spurs have a few needs, including shooting and wing defense. Devin Vassell and Keldon Johnson have never really developed defensively, and Harrison Barnes turns 33 next month. Stephon Castle is one player they should trust, but they could use a real 3-and-D wing to put next to Castle, De’Aaron Fox and Victor Wembanyama. Bryant profiles perfectly there as a long-term replacement for Barnes. The 6-8 wing didn’t start many games this year at Arizona, but he was a monster defensive player when he was on the court, showcasing serious playmaking chops as well as great on-ball play. He also knocks down a solid percentage of his 3s. Bryant is the guy in this class who seems to have a ton of juice when you talk to front offices, and it wouldn’t surprise me to see him land in the top 10 when it’s all said and done. I think I’d park his range in the No. 7 to No. 16 area.

I didn't see it with Salaun. His 3pt shot wasn't a sure thing and with all that length he still could not finish at the rim or block any shots in europe.

With Couli he had more ability to drive coming in whereas Carter has a better jumper

[tsherkin]

Those have been the #4 picks since 2010. Kyle Korver would be one of the better players selected #4 on this list (if he was a #4 pick). I think basketball fans need to temper expectations if you're ideally not selecting top 2 in any draft. Getting a star player after the top 2 pick becomes super rare if you're not dealing with a generation draft.

I don't think I have to temper anything. Bad drafts happen. When you get a high lottery pick, you're hoping for something more than just a roleplayer. Sometimes, that's all you can get, and sometimes less than that. C'est la vie. But that doesn't change the want. If you blow enough in a season to get a top-5 pick, you're not looking for Mike Miller, that's for sure. What's available may not line up with expectations, and that happens, but again, that doesn't really change the disappointment. It also means that it isn't management's fault, as I've noted earlier, of course.

[MainEvent]

What's the expected value of the 4th pick?

If guys like Mike Miller and Steph Castle are good early, and still qet picked at 4 or better after it's all said and done, then I think your expected value of the 4th pick is skewed.

When I look at the 4th overall pick, I don't want Kyle Korver as my result. Nor whatever Castle is right now.

We can agree to disagree on the EV for the 4th overall pick, that's fine.

Castle at 4? gimme gimme

[tsherkin]

What's the expected value of the 4th pick?

If guys like Mike Miller and Steph Castle are good early, and still qet picked at 4 or better after it's all said and done, then I think your expected value of the 4th pick is skewed.

When I look at the 4th overall pick, I don't want Kyle Korver as my result. Nor whatever Castle is right now.

We can agree to disagree on the EV for the 4th overall pick, that's fine.

Castle at 4? gimme gimme

Eew, why?