WT: Giannis Antetokounmpo's Future With Bucks 'The Elephant In The Room' In NBA

[mihaic]

Spurs have that new shiny ROY to offer up.

I know his wife went to university in Houston, and is from California. Coupled with the fact they are awesome places to live (keep in mind she is American) and nothing will dissuade me from thinking those teams have the inside track (Cali and TX teams).

I honestly think Cali is not that great a place to live. Taxes and gas prices on par with Canada, life more expensive than Toronto, and people seem not so nice. Lots of homeless everywhere. 20 years ago it was good, not so much now in my opinion. SF has degraded so much in the last 10-15 years imo.

Florida is much better a.t.m. to be honest, if I had a choice that's where I'd go. Haven't been in a Texas for a long time now so not sure how it is nowadays.

Granted maybe millionaires are shielded somewhat, but they still need to go out when they're living in LA or SF, otherwise... they can move to Cleveland or something. There are some real nice neighborhoods in The Land.

[Pointgod]

Yeah he is envious that the Spurs have a 16/4/3 55TS% guy as their 4th option..?

By that logic he should be overjoyed by our 4th option in IQ who put up 17/4/6 on 57TS% in 28mpg.

Gotta be honest - the Spurs would still be horrible if they did not win the Wemby lottery. They have a very mediocre group of players post-rebuild here

Even if they didn’t win the Wemby lottery the Spurs still had the assets to bring in D’Aaron Fox for nothing and be one of the top contenders for Giannis. They got Wemby so none of this matters anyways.

without Wemby IDK if Fox/Castle/Vassell is very intriguing lol Especially if they got say Scoot instead of Wemby.

And if they dont get Wemby they dont go get Fox either.

Without Wemby they still have Amen Thompson, Brandon Miller, Scoot on the team and could still get Fox if they wanted to. Also without Wemby they probably dont get Chris Paul and have an even better lottery pick this year. Either way, they still have the assets to trade for Giannis and another allstar while keeping their depth.

The Wemby argument is as irrelevant as saying that our team would be horrible without getting lucky to move up in the draft to get Scottie.

[CazOnReal]

Spurs have that new shiny ROY to offer up.

I know his wife went to university in Houston, and is from California. Coupled with the fact they are awesome places to live (keep in mind she is American) and nothing will dissuade me from thinking those teams have the inside track (Cali and TX teams).

I honestly think Cali is not that great a place to live.

You realize they're a multimillionaire, right?

[YogurtProducer]

Even if they didn’t win the Wemby lottery the Spurs still had the assets to bring in D’Aaron Fox for nothing and be one of the top contenders for Giannis. They got Wemby so none of this matters anyways.

without Wemby IDK if Fox/Castle/Vassell is very intriguing lol Especially if they got say Scoot instead of Wemby.

And if they dont get Wemby they dont go get Fox either.

Without Wemby they still have Amen Thompson, Brandon Miller, Scoot on the team and could still get Fox if they wanted to. Also without Wemby they probably dont get Chris Paul and have an even better lottery pick this year. Either way, they still have the assets to trade for Giannis and another allstar while keeping their depth.

The Wemby argument is as irrelevant as saying that our team would be horrible without getting lucky to move up in the draft to get Scottie.

The Wemby argument is not irrelevant when I am responding to a comment that was sucking off SA's management. I am simply pointing out you wouldn't be doing that had they not won that lottery.

But hey, if SA right now had a Fox/Castle/Vassell/Thompson core you wouldn't be very excited about that team lol

[mihaic]

Spurs have that new shiny ROY to offer up.

I know his wife went to university in Houston, and is from California. Coupled with the fact they are awesome places to live (keep in mind she is American) and nothing will dissuade me from thinking those teams have the inside track (Cali and TX teams).

I honestly think Cali is not that great a place to live.

You realize they're a multimillionaire, right?

Which is exactly what I said in the third paragraph on the post you quoted.

[Los_29]

Irrelevant when he’d be a 4/5th option if Giannis comes on board.

No im saying he shouldnt be more than 4/5th option on any teams given his play this year. Hes overpaid for his production. He shouldn't be the reason you're envious of the spurs

Yeah he is envious that the Spurs have a 16/4/3 55TS% guy as their 4th option..?

By that logic he should be overjoyed by our 4th option in IQ who put up 17/4/6 on 57TS% in 28mpg.

Gotta be honest - the Spurs would still be horrible if they did not win the Wemby lottery. They have a very mediocre group of players post-rebuild here

Sometimes luck can make people forget about how poorly they were run for more than half a decade.

Wemby allowed them to go out and get Fox and would likely put them in a position to get Giannis.

I haven’t checked the Spurs pick situation but that’s what will likely get a deal done because they don’t have any intriguing young pieces.

[Pointgod]

without Wemby IDK if Fox/Castle/Vassell is very intriguing lol Especially if they got say Scoot instead of Wemby.

And if they dont get Wemby they dont go get Fox either.

Without Wemby they still have Amen Thompson, Brandon Miller, Scoot on the team and could still get Fox if they wanted to. Also without Wemby they probably dont get Chris Paul and have an even better lottery pick this year. Either way, they still have the assets to trade for Giannis and another allstar while keeping their depth.

The Wemby argument is as irrelevant as saying that our team would be horrible without getting lucky to move up in the draft to get Scottie.

The Wemby argument is not irrelevant when I am responding to a comment that was sucking off SA's management. I am simply pointing out you wouldn't be doing that had they not won that lottery.

But hey, if SA right now had a Fox/Castle/Vassell/Thompson core you wouldn't be very excited about that team lol

Recognizing good management is not sucking off a management team. Fox/Vassell/Castle/Thompson with the legit opportunity to bring in Giannis so the while keeping 3 of those 4 players is a lot better position than we’d be in pre or post Giannis. I’m just able to be objective while you’d be still be saying that we’re a playoff team if we hadn’t lucked into getting Scottie and instead drafted Johnathan Kuminga.

[Los_29]

Without Wemby they still have Amen Thompson, Brandon Miller, Scoot on the team and could still get Fox if they wanted to. Also without Wemby they probably dont get Chris Paul and have an even better lottery pick this year. Either way, they still have the assets to trade for Giannis and another allstar while keeping their depth.

The Wemby argument is as irrelevant as saying that our team would be horrible without getting lucky to move up in the draft to get Scottie.

The Wemby argument is not irrelevant when I am responding to a comment that was sucking off SA's management. I am simply pointing out you wouldn't be doing that had they not won that lottery.

But hey, if SA right now had a Fox/Castle/Vassell/Thompson core you wouldn't be very excited about that team lol

Recognizing good management is not sucking off a management team. Fox/Vassell/Castle/Thompson with the legit opportunity to bring in Giannis so the while keeping 3 of those 4 players is a lot better position than we’d be in pre or post Giannis. I’m just able to be objective while you’d be still be saying that we’re a playoff team if we hadn’t lucked into getting Scottie and instead drafted Johnathan Kuminga.

Objectively, the Spurs have not been good for nearly a decade now.

Starting off with how they handled the Kawhi situation, to trading him to us for Demar and Poeltl and then staying on the treadmill for four years before finally deciding to break up that team.

They lucked out in the lottery and got a generational talent in Wemby.

Drafting Sochan, Primo and Vassell in the lottery is mediocre at best. They missed out on more talented players. Some players they could’ve had include Haliburton, Murphy, Sengun, Jalen Williams, Duren. That’s a lot of talent they missed out on.

There is nothing wrong in saying they are where they are because of luck. They simply would not be a good team had they drafted Amen Thompson or Scoot or Miller instead of Wemby.

[Pointgod]

The Wemby argument is not irrelevant when I am responding to a comment that was sucking off SA's management. I am simply pointing out you wouldn't be doing that had they not won that lottery.

But hey, if SA right now had a Fox/Castle/Vassell/Thompson core you wouldn't be very excited about that team lol

Recognizing good management is not sucking off a management team. Fox/Vassell/Castle/Thompson with the legit opportunity to bring in Giannis so the while keeping 3 of those 4 players is a lot better position than we’d be in pre or post Giannis. I’m just able to be objective while you’d be still be saying that we’re a playoff team if we hadn’t lucked into getting Scottie and instead drafted Johnathan Kuminga.

Objectively, the Spurs have not been good for nearly a decade now.

Starting off with how they handled the Kawhi situation, to trading him to us for Demar and Poeltl and then staying on the treadmill for four years before finally deciding to break up that team.

They lucked out in the lottery and got a generational talent in Wemby.

Drafting Sochan, Primo and Vassell in the lottery is mediocre at best. They missed out on more talented players. Some players they could’ve had include Haliburton, Murphy, Sengun, Jalen Williams, Duren. That’s a lot of talent they missed out on.

There is nothing wrong in saying they are where they are because of luck. They simply would not be a good team had they drafted Amen Thompson or Scoot or Miller instead of Wemby.

Objectively the Spurs have made good management decisions since they decided to pivot from the Demar/Aldridge/Dejounte Murray team. They traded valuable players for assets instead of letting them walk for nothing, used their cap space wisely to pick up more assets and prioritized building through the draft instead of making half measures or short term moves.

You can use hindsight for any team to point out on draft misses but if Wemby wasn’t in last year’s draft they’re picking Brandon Miller who was third in rookie of the year voting and they drafted this season’s rookie of the year from the 4th lottery spot. But what you and Yogurtproducer are purposely ignoring is that with or without Wemby they’d still have the assets to trade for Fox and Giannis without completely gutting their team.

[navyblue]

Same people listing vassell as an asset/good pick, are the same one disparaging RJ barret. Makes no sense.

[Los_29]

Recognizing good management is not sucking off a management team. Fox/Vassell/Castle/Thompson with the legit opportunity to bring in Giannis so the while keeping 3 of those 4 players is a lot better position than we’d be in pre or post Giannis. I’m just able to be objective while you’d be still be saying that we’re a playoff team if we hadn’t lucked into getting Scottie and instead drafted Johnathan Kuminga.

Objectively, the Spurs have not been good for nearly a decade now.

Starting off with how they handled the Kawhi situation, to trading him to us for Demar and Poeltl and then staying on the treadmill for four years before finally deciding to break up that team.

They lucked out in the lottery and got a generational talent in Wemby.

Drafting Sochan, Primo and Vassell in the lottery is mediocre at best. They missed out on more talented players. Some players they could’ve had include Haliburton, Murphy, Sengun, Jalen Williams, Duren. That’s a lot of talent they missed out on.

There is nothing wrong in saying they are where they are because of luck. They simply would not be a good team had they drafted Amen Thompson or Scoot or Miller instead of Wemby.

Objectively the Spurs have made good management decisions since they decided to pivot from the Demar/Aldridge/Dejounte Murray team. They traded valuable players for assets instead of letting them walk for nothing, used their cap space wisely to pick up more assets and prioritized building through the draft instead of making half measures or short term moves.

You can use hindsight for any team to point out on draft misses but if Wemby wasn’t in last year’s draft they’re picking Brandon Miller who was third in rookie of the year voting and they drafted this season’s rookie of the year from the 4th lottery spot. But what you and Yogurtproducer are purposely ignoring is that with or without Wemby they’d still have the assets to trade for Fox and Giannis without completely gutting their team.

Brandon Miller isn’t turning around that team. Come on now. And how do you know they are picking Brandon Miller? Given the talent they’ve missed out on, it’s probably more likely they go with Scoot. They haven’t drafted well. lol.

Who would the Bucks want on their team aside from Wemby and Fox who they are clearly not getting? I think the Bucks would want good players back in return along with picks. They don’t have the players to give. Obviously that changes if the Spurs get lucky in the lottery.

As far as I know, Bucks don’t even have their own picks so tanking isn’t really an option.

Same people listing vassell as an asset/good pick, are the same one disparaging RJ barret. Makes no sense.

Exactly. Vassell is bad and yet he’s apparently going to be the key piece the Bucks get back in a deal for a top 3 player. Unbelievable.

[OhCanada]

Spurs have that new shiny ROY to offer up.

I know his wife went to university in Houston, and is from California. Coupled with the fact they are awesome places to live (keep in mind she is American) and nothing will dissuade me from thinking those teams have the inside track (Cali and TX teams).

I honestly think Cali is not that great a place to live.

You realize they're a multimillionaire, right?

Exactly. Gated communities, drivers, deleveries. Same rules dont apply. They aren't brushing shoulders with hobo's on the bus.

[mtcan]

Same people listing vassell as an asset/good pick, are the same one disparaging RJ barret. Makes no sense.

You mean you have not experienced the toxic behaviour and culture around these boards and quite frankly a good part of the fanbase where we fawn over other teams' players and kids who have never even played an NBA game over our own guys who are actually good players just to sound intelligent by being overly critical of guys we really should be hoping the best for because god forbid we actually cheer for our own team at the risk of being called out as "casuals" and "homers"?

[Pointgod]

Same people listing vassell as an asset/good pick, are the same one disparaging RJ barret. Makes no sense.

Wait so you don’t think RJ would be a good fourth option on a championship team?

[Tor_Raps]

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[mtcan]

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Ewwww, he got 1 D... do not want #EveryAsianParent

Actually #EveryAsianParent would be...86 percentile???? Where's the other 14 percentile???????

[tsherkin]

Objectively, the Spurs have not been good for nearly a decade now.

Starting off with how they handled the Kawhi situation, to trading him to us for Demar and Poeltl and then staying on the treadmill for four years before finally deciding to break up that team.

Vassell hasn't worked out, Primo definitely didn't work out, Sochan hasn't been anything that worth mentioning. Peri-10th draft picks not working out for them. Wemby worked out and now they're rebuilding. They also acquired Fox, who isn't awful, though far from a cornerstone-type player. Rebuilding is hard if you don't catch a break. You need to infuse talent, and more than just one guy. Sometimes, you're just unlucky.

[Tripod]

Objectively, the Spurs have not been good for nearly a decade now.

Starting off with how they handled the Kawhi situation, to trading him to us for Demar and Poeltl and then staying on the treadmill for four years before finally deciding to break up that team.

Vassell hasn't worked out, Primo definitely didn't work out, Sochan hasn't been anything that worth mentioning. Peri-10th draft picks not working out for them. Wemby worked out and now they're rebuilding. They also acquired Fox, who isn't awful, though far from a cornerstone-type player. Rebuilding is hard if you don't catch a break. You need to infuse talent, and more than just one guy. Sometimes, you're just unlucky.

And what about the ACTUAL guy they got in the Thad deal with their pick? He sucks too.

[tsherkin]

And what about the ACTUAL guy they got in the Thad deal with their pick? He sucks too.

I don't think anything has landed that well for them lately besides drafting Wemby. Castle is, by some opinions, looking pretty good, so we'll see how he develops. They got 82 games out of Chris Paul, but Wemby missed almost half the season, so it ultimately didn't matter. Because Paul's 39 and could only manage 28 mpg.

DeRozan move didn't work out, but they didn't have a choice with Kawhi. They were sub-.500 during both of what would pass as basically his best individual seasons, because he wasn't a huge impact player. Pivoting from him and moving him to Chicago, he came with what? Al-Farouq Aminu, 2 2nd-rounders and a 1st-rounder this season, right? And then they moved Young for what remained of Goran Dragic, whom they waived. And they got Malaki Branham, right? Nobody player who hit the 3 all right this year for half a season.

[Tripod]

And what about the ACTUAL guy they got in the Thad deal with their pick? He sucks too.

I don't think anything has landed that well for them lately besides drafting Wemby. Castle is, by some opinions, looking pretty good, so we'll see how he develops. They got 82 games out of Chris Paul, but Wemby missed almost half the season, so it ultimately didn't matter. Because Paul's 39 and could only manage 28 mpg.

DeRozan move didn't work out, but they didn't have a choice with Kawhi. They were sub-.500 during both of what would pass as basically his best individual seasons, because he wasn't a huge impact player. Pivoting from him and moving him to Chicago, he came with what? Al-Farouq Aminu, 2 2nd-rounders and a 1st-rounder this season, right? And then they moved Young for what remained of Goran Dragic, whom they waived. And they got Malaki Branham, right? Nobody player who hit the 3 all right this year for half a season.

Yeah I pointed out the Thad trade because certain people ignore what SA actually got in return with that 1st instead of the hypothetical best case scenario that was picked later on.