Official 2025 Offseason Thread

[J the Drafter]

Let’s end this absurd debate. Both are movable. AB has a better return.

I like AB but I’m trading him for a better shooter/ playmaker if it’s on the table.

We could trade Franz for Booker. He's a better shooter and then trade Moe for Cam Johnson.

Suggs
Booker
Cam
Paolo
Wendell

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I mean this in the most respectful way, but how long is it going to take or exactly what needs to happen for people to comprehend that Suggs is not viable longterm solution at PG?

He is often compared to Derrick White, but in actuality is more in the mold of Marcus Smart. Plays erratic, not a true PG and eventually his style of play will be a detriment to the team (if it isn’t already). I love Suggs and agree that he’s the pulse of the team, but we shouldn’t be relying on him as our PGOTF even more now with his injury (that by all reports IS going to be a lingering longterm concern).

I hear you with health concerns, but Suggs can drive, shoot and pass. Treating a “true point guard” as a must-have risks needlessly depleting assets. Do we really want to take it for granted that moves need to be made for a point guard only to find out that Suggs and Black are good in that role and the Magic traded players unnecessarily?

[Fortune Teller]

I keep thinking about how AB had zero assists in five playoff games despite playing more minutes than anyone off the bench. Isaac had more playoff assists than Black.

Speaking of Isaac, the highest-paid player on the roster this season and for the past several seasons, averaged 13.8 mpg in the playoffs. Guess they weren't saving him for the postseason. In five games he managed one blocked shot, total.

KCP, the $22 million man, shot 26.7% from the field, 26.1% from three in the series while averaging 32.6 mpg. If he had left the country during the playoffs no one would have noticed.

Cole isn't even worth talking about. He looks like he's following Fultz into the Void.

The supporting cast is so bad. As in complete overhaul bad.

[Rainwater]

I keep thinking about how AB had zero assists in five playoff games despite playing more minutes than anyone off the bench. Isaac had more playoff assists than Black.

Speaking of Isaac, the highest-paid player on the roster this season and for the past several seasons, averaged 13.8 mpg in the playoffs. Guess they weren't saving him for the postseason. In five games he managed one blocked shot, total.

KCP, the $22 million man, shot 26.7% from the field, 26.1% from three in the series while averaging 32.6 mpg. If he had left the country during the playoffs no one would have noticed.

Cole isn't even worth talking about. He looks like he's following Fultz into the Void.

The supporting cast is so bad. As in complete overhaul bad.

To be fair to Black the ball was mostly in the hands of Paolo and Franz and nobody was really making a shot.

Thought Black played really well in the playoffs, his defense was amazing but just like everyone else he couldn’t make shot. He is a good player and has grown a lot but I question the fit next to Paolo and Franz

[eyriq]

I keep thinking about how AB had zero assists in five playoff games despite playing more minutes than anyone off the bench. Isaac had more playoff assists than Black.

Speaking of Isaac, the highest-paid player on the roster this season and for the past several seasons, averaged 13.8 mpg in the playoffs. Guess they weren't saving him for the postseason. In five games he managed one blocked shot, total.

KCP, the $22 million man, shot 26.7% from the field, 26.1% from three in the series while averaging 32.6 mpg. If he had left the country during the playoffs no one would have noticed.

Cole isn't even worth talking about. He looks like he's following Fultz into the Void.

The supporting cast is so bad. As in complete overhaul bad.

To be fair to Black the ball was mostly in the hands of Paolo and Franz and nobody was really making a shot.

Thought Black played really well in the playoffs, his defense was amazing but just like everyone else he couldn’t make shot. He is a good player and has grown a lot but I question the fit next to Paolo and Franz

IMO his most realistic path to a starting role is to develop as a creator. USG%, AST%, AST:TOV, FTr, and on-ball scoring are metrics I'm tracking here.

I don't actually worry about his ability as a creator, I actually think he projects extremely well across all five of those metrics. His swing skill is shooting. This could actually unlock his all-star upside. The jump in free throw percentage is extremely promising.

His defense is insanely good. He's already a playmaker on the defensive end.

[Knightro]

To be fair to Black the ball was mostly in the hands of Paolo and Franz and nobody was really making a shot.

Thought Black played really well in the playoffs, his defense was amazing but just like everyone else he couldn’t make shot. He is a good player and has grown a lot but I question the fit next to Paolo and Franz

CoJo and Cole got assists though…

[eyriq]

AB was third on our team in PER at 15.2 in that series.

Despite being so young he made significant positive contributions. He was efficient in the role he was playing. He complimented Paolo and Franz quite well.

[Bensational]

I know it’ll sound like kicking the can down the road in the name of “evaluation”, but I’d be really reluctant to move AB this offseason. I think he could be on track for a year 3 breakout like Suggs or Dyson Daniels.

[Skin]

I know it’ll sound like kicking the can down the road in the name of “evaluation”, but I’d be really reluctant to move AB this offseason. I think he could be on track for a year 3 breakout like Suggs or Dyson Daniels.

We need to find the GM that shares your opinion asap.

His NBA career trajectory is more like Elfrid Payton.

[basketballRob]

I know it’ll sound like kicking the can down the road in the name of “evaluation”, but I’d be really reluctant to move AB this offseason. I think he could be on track for a year 3 breakout like Suggs or Dyson Daniels.

We need to find the GM that shares your opinion asap.

His NBA career trajectory is more like Elfrid Payton.

We have a GM that's going to keep him. I'm not sure what you're talking about.

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[Redwood]

If Cole, Harris, and KCP are still on the roster at the start of next season then not a single person can say this FO is even trying.

[Skin]

I know it’ll sound like kicking the can down the road in the name of “evaluation”, but I’d be really reluctant to move AB this offseason. I think he could be on track for a year 3 breakout like Suggs or Dyson Daniels.

We need to find the GM that shares your opinion asap.

His NBA career trajectory is more like Elfrid Payton.

We have a GM that's going to keep him. I'm not sure what you're talking about.

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So you feel AB solves our starting PG spot and our offensive ptoblems? If so, where do you think our offensive fix will need to come from?

[Bensational]

We need to find the GM that shares your opinion asap.

His NBA career trajectory is more like Elfrid Payton.

We have a GM that's going to keep him. I'm not sure what you're talking about.

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So you feel AB solves our starting PG spot and our offensive ptoblems? If so, where do you think our offensive fix will need to come from?

In the future he could become one of our starting backcourt players but for next season at least I like him in a 6th man role again. In the long run I see him as a Draymond/AG/Iggy kind of Swiss-army knife guy who takes on a decent amount of secondary playmaking. Kinda guy you want when chasing a ring.

I’d be moving KCP to improve the starting backcourt. There’s gonna be a LOT of names moving around this summer, I reckon. Derrick White is my dream pickup if Boston really do feel pressure to cut costs.

[Skin]

We have a GM that's going to keep him. I'm not sure what you're talking about.

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So you feel AB solves our starting PG spot and our offensive ptoblems? If so, where do you think our offensive fix will need to come from?

In the future he could become one of our starting backcourt players but for next season at least I like him in a 6th man role again. In the long run I see him as a Draymond/AG/Iggy kind of Swiss-army knife guy who takes on a decent amount of secondary playmaking. Kinda guy you want when chasing a ring.

I’d be moving KCP to improve the starting backcourt. There’s gonna be a LOT of names moving around this summer, I reckon. Derrick White is my dream pickup if Boston really do feel pressure to cut costs.

Trading KCJ doesn't seem like a move that Weltman would admit fault on that soon. It would also seem to be an anti-win-now move.

Compared to waiting 2-3 years to see IF AB will not confirm bust status. If we are moving away from "develoment" and pivoting to "win now" then AB has to be among our best trade chips.

To his credit he still has positive trade value among our options. Cole and JI may have negative value at this point.

[Bensational]

So you feel AB solves our starting PG spot and our offensive ptoblems? If so, where do you think our offensive fix will need to come from?

In the future he could become one of our starting backcourt players but for next season at least I like him in a 6th man role again. In the long run I see him as a Draymond/AG/Iggy kind of Swiss-army knife guy who takes on a decent amount of secondary playmaking. Kinda guy you want when chasing a ring.

I’d be moving KCP to improve the starting backcourt. There’s gonna be a LOT of names moving around this summer, I reckon. Derrick White is my dream pickup if Boston really do feel pressure to cut costs.

Trading KCJ doesn't seem like a move that Weltman would admit fault on that soon. It would also seem to be an anti-win-now move.

Compared to waiting 2-3 years to see IF AB will not confirm bust status. If we are moving away from "develoment" and pivoting to "win now" then AB has to be among our best trade chips.

To his credit he still has positive trade value among our options. Cole and JI may have negative value at this point.

Nah from what Weltman said in his presser (obvs can’t take much from it), he acknowledged that the addition of KCP was doubling down on defense but the team’s offensive needs became undeniable so now he wants to upgrade offense. Once Suggs is back, that leaves KCP as the only guard option to be swapped for someone more offensively oriented.

AB is only a developmental guy offensively, defensively he’s already elite. That side is ready now. The scoring load can be mitigated by upgrading Cole, getting Moe back and adding a bonafide sniper.

I think the writing is on the wall for KCP, Cole and Jett. One of WCJ, Isaac or Goga is gonna be on the move.

[Orl_Magic]

John Collins and Sexton for JI and KCP?

[RookieStar]

John Collins and Sexton for JI and KCP?

Purew offense without defense for pure defense without offense...

Why not

[eyriq]

John Collins and Sexton for JI and KCP?

Oh I like it. Smart man

Edit: it doesn't seem to work in the trade machine. We are bringing back too much money.

[Orl_Magic]

worked on espn trade machine

[Furinkazan]

Bleacher Report predicts the Magic to focus on the former in a blockbuster trade for Charlotte Hornets' streaky superstar LaMelo Ball.

"Orlando can't afford to fork over every asset in its collection for Ball, but it could absolutely decide a 23-year-old who stars on the end of the floor with this club struggles is worth a significant investment," B/R's Zach Buckley wrote.

maybe before cap hell times

[Knightro]

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Interesting bit here from Parker suggesting the Magic may already have trade targets in mind that they believe they can acquire.