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Re: 2025 Draft Prospect Thread 

Post#1501 » by UNCNYC » Sat May 3, 2025 4:37 pm

fatlever wrote:https://www.si.com/nba/hornets/news/why-ace-bailey-isn-t-an-ideal-option-for-the-charlotte-hornets-continued-rebuild

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Funny you post this. I was just looking at footage of Bailey, Harper and Flagg and I think Bailey looks the most promising... When you watch their highlights Flagg doesn't really have much of a fluid game. Much of his game is him being a SMART player. But he doesn't seem to be a guy you can just give the ball too and have him take over much... Here and there, a game or so yeah but not to the level of Ace and Harper... Their games seem to be very TALENT based... Based on what I seen this morning I am dropping Flagg out and putting in Bailey at 2.

1. Dylan Harper
2. Ace Bailey
3. Carter Bryant
4. Maxine Raynaud
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Re: 2025 Draft Prospect Thread 

Post#1502 » by Bassman » Sat May 3, 2025 4:50 pm

I love to read reports from scouts, or writers who really know NBA basketball. I consider Sam Vecenie of The Athletic to be really good. He published a new mock draft yesterday. He has been given access to workouts by many of these lottery bound players.For this mock he used a simulator to create a draft order (Hornets FELL to #5), but that was just to give a positioning perspective. Regardless, his two biggest observations were in regard to Tre Johnson and Ace Bailey. I will give the link at the bottom, but he’s got me very high on Johnson if we end up 3rd. This is where he projects Tre to go. His observations:

Johnson was the most impressive player I saw working out during my trip to the U.S. He had one of the best shooting workouts I’ve ever seen from a teenage player, showcasing a serious-minded intentionality about how he goes about his craft. He displayed the ability to hit shots off movement at a high level, something that he rarely got the chance to do in an offensive scheme at Texas that could be charitably described as anachronistic but fairly described as hideously archaic. Even within that scheme, Johnson found his way into 19.9 points per game, even if he struggled a bit once he had to foray into the lane because of the team’s lack of spacing and his own still-improving overall strength level.


WOW! That is a player that would seem to slot right into our 4 M’s as a starter, with future star potential.

Sam has the Hornets at 5 drafting Bailey (who slide down below VJ). He sees some concerns about Ace but also gives some support for his potential:

Bailey drops a bit here, but don’t get it twisted: His range still starts at No. 3. I think that it extends a bit further down, though. He remains quite polarizing and has seemed to have borne the brunt of the blame from NBA personnel for Rutgers’ poor season. Yes, he averaged 17.6 points and seven rebounds while shooting 46 percent from the field and 34 percent from 3. But his style of play did not seem wildly conducive to winning basketball. He settles for a lot of long jumpers because he struggles to get all the way to the rim (he has a high handle and high center of gravity that gets knocked off its line a bit too easily). Defensively, he wasn’t always particularly engaged in help situations unless he saw an opportunity to go get the basketball.

And yet, it’s worth noting that Rutgers was a catastrophe when he wasn’t on the court. Even in Big Ten play, they lost Bailey’s minutes by only three points per 100 possessions. When he was off the court, they lost those minutes by 23 points per 100, per CBB Analytics. His presence was clearly helpful, and I think that’s what tracks most for me. Bailey is enormous, he’s long, he is a real shooter and he showed some defensive moments that were very positive in switch situations. I can’t really get him outside of the top five, and I think it would be very reasonable to take him at No. 3.


Sam applies “fit” to some of the teams as a rationale for his picks, so take rankings with a grain of salt. However he has Fears at 11 and Manuach 12th, with Carter Bryant jumping up to 9th.

Link to the article: https://www.nba.com/news/the-athletic-2025-nba-mock-draft-050225
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Post#1503 » by UNCNYC » Sat May 3, 2025 5:00 pm

Bassman wrote:I love to read reports from scouts, or writers who really know NBA basketball. I consider Sam Vecenie of The Athletic to be really good. He published a new mock draft yesterday. He has been given access to workouts by many of these lottery bound players.For this mock he used a simulator to create a draft order (Hornets FELL to #5), but that was just to give a positioning perspective. Regardless, his two biggest observations were in regard to Tre Johnson and Ace Bailey. I will give the link at the bottom, but he’s got me very high on Johnson if we end up 3rd. This is where he projects Tre to go. His observations:

Johnson was the most impressive player I saw working out during my trip to the U.S. He had one of the best shooting workouts I’ve ever seen from a teenage player, showcasing a serious-minded intentionality about how he goes about his craft. He displayed the ability to hit shots off movement at a high level, something that he rarely got the chance to do in an offensive scheme at Texas that could be charitably described as anachronistic but fairly described as hideously archaic. Even within that scheme, Johnson found his way into 19.9 points per game, even if he struggled a bit once he had to foray into the lane because of the team’s lack of spacing and his own still-improving overall strength level.


WOW! That is a player that would seem to slot right into our 4 M’s as a starter, with future star potential.

Sam has the Hornets at 5 drafting Bailey (who slide down below VJ). He sees some concerns about Ace but also gives some support for his potential:

Bailey drops a bit here, but don’t get it twisted: His range still starts at No. 3. I think that it extends a bit further down, though. He remains quite polarizing and has seemed to have borne the brunt of the blame from NBA personnel for Rutgers’ poor season. Yes, he averaged 17.6 points and seven rebounds while shooting 46 percent from the field and 34 percent from 3. But his style of play did not seem wildly conducive to winning basketball. He settles for a lot of long jumpers because he struggles to get all the way to the rim (he has a high handle and high center of gravity that gets knocked off its line a bit too easily). Defensively, he wasn’t always particularly engaged in help situations unless he saw an opportunity to go get the basketball.

And yet, it’s worth noting that Rutgers was a catastrophe when he wasn’t on the court. Even in Big Ten play, they lost Bailey’s minutes by only three points per 100 possessions. When he was off the court, they lost those minutes by 23 points per 100, per CBB Analytics. His presence was clearly helpful, and I think that’s what tracks most for me. Bailey is enormous, he’s long, he is a real shooter and he showed some defensive moments that were very positive in switch situations. I can’t really get him outside of the top five, and I think it would be very reasonable to take him at No. 3.


Sam applies “fit” to some of the teams as a rationale for his picks, so take rankings with a grain of salt. However he has Fears at 11 and Manuach 12th, with Carter Bryant jumping up to 9th.

Link to the article: https://www.nba.com/news/the-athletic-2025-nba-mock-draft-050225


I think before it's all said and done Carter will be projected top 6 pick.. I still wonder why Tre is an option. I figured he would have fallen out by now.
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Post#1504 » by UNCNYC » Sat May 3, 2025 5:16 pm

Re-updated again but just watched his regular season highlights and Flagg DOES have an offensive game... The other vids I saw didn't showcase that but I finally found one that did.... So I will put him back in as #1 for us. Bailey I question is he a SMART player. Will be interesting who has a better career between Carter and Bailey. Take Bailey out and put flagg and harper only as options for 1 and 2 pick.
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Re: 2025 Draft Prospect Thread 

Post#1505 » by Bassman » Sat May 3, 2025 8:16 pm

UNCNYC…did you read Sam’s take on Tre Johnson having scouted him in recent workouts? I’m not saying he’s absolutely correct, but other teams have started elevating his stock as well (per various reports).

I know your method is very unconventional…and that’s all good. I just don’t see Carter Bryant being a top 6 pick..surprised he’s now projected top 10. That’s in part due to others falling back. I wish Bryant was in last year’s draft…I would have felt better about reaching for him then with #6 verses the humongous gamble made on Tiddy.

Once we know our draft position a lot more will come into focus. Disaster if the fixed ping pong balls make us pick 5th or worse.
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Post#1506 » by UNCNYC » Sat May 3, 2025 9:09 pm

Bassman wrote:UNCNYC…did you read Sam’s take on Tre Johnson having scouted him in recent workouts? I’m not saying he’s absolutely correct, but other teams have started elevating his stock as well (per various reports).

I know your method is very unconventional…and that’s all good. I just don’t see Carter Bryant being a top 6 pick..surprised he’s now projected top 10. That’s in part due to others falling back. I wish Bryant was in last year’s draft…I would have felt better about reaching for him then with #6 verses the humongous gamble made on Tiddy.

Once we know our draft position a lot more will come into focus. Disaster if the fixed ping pong balls make us pick 5th or worse.


Hey.., nah I didn't read it. I just don't see Tre Johnson as a lottery pick let alone a first rounder. When I first scouted the lottery two players stood out to me that I thought right away were overrated. Him and Demin. As far as Carter Bryant, it kinda speaks for itself in his rising... Even if it did come down to him rising from others falling off, that would mean that in their eyes HE hasn't fallen off... Not saying he will but if he can climb to 10 with nearly 2 months coming from the 2nd round in some mocks, and no combine to go, that there is no reason why he couldn't climb to 6... If you are rated 10 you are pretty much 6th pickish... On draft day if someone were picking 6tth and they picked the 10th player on the board *9th from what I thinkk I remember one rating earlier* noone would be SHOCKED. Carter has great defense, good size, shooting, and knowledge of the game. If he brings that, that alone will equal a quality pick.
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Post#1507 » by UNCNYC » Sat May 3, 2025 10:28 pm

IMO if we don't land pick 1 or 2 I think we should trade back...
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Post#1508 » by UNCNYC » Sat May 3, 2025 11:25 pm

There is no real clear number 3 in this draft imo... I think trading back after two is a decent idea given that the draft is fairly deep. Could still end up with a player like Bryant, Richardson or Raynaud just trading back a few spots... and pick up draft picks... Also might not be a bad idea to draft and stash one of our two 2nds on Sergio De Larrea. 6'7 PG great passing skills...

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Post#1509 » by UNCNYC » Sun May 4, 2025 12:00 am

For some reason when it's all said and done I think my pick is gonna end up being Jase Richardson, if we don't get pick one or two... Reason why is we have never really seen a style like his. He's bullish, good shooter, defender, gets in the lane, finds people, and his dad played here *he played for the bobcats rather*... And has a star quality to him... I think trading back a few for him makes it all the more appealing... We also need a SG...

Melo
Richardson
Miller
Miles
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Post#1510 » by UNCNYC » Sun May 4, 2025 8:52 am

Just thought of something, Dook has good SG's, While Knueppel is a trade back option taking Tyrese Proctor might be the way to go... Dude has so much to offer and could play SG for us. We can trade back and use the first pick for Raynaud, then use or couple the 2nd for Proctor. I am fan of Richardson but this could work. Probably best to keep the two 2nd's and get proctor who should be there... If he's not just take Richard, Tonji, and or Chase Hunter with the two picks

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Proctor - or Will Richard, John Tonji, Kam Jones, and/or Chase Hunter if Proctor is gone
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Post#1511 » by UNCNYC » Sun May 4, 2025 1:19 pm

This guy is such a STAR!!!!!! We must get him. Because of him my draft has changed... I will take Richardson with the first pick. Walter Clayton with pick 2 or Milos Uzan whoever is on the board...

Imagine we land pick 1 and get Flagg and Zikarsky. With Melo we would be the IT team.

Melo / Clayton or Uzan
Richardson - trade back and get two first
Miller
Miles
Zikarsky - this guy is a star. Use one of our 2nd's. I want him first and if he's not there I will take Raynaud

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Post#1512 » by UNCNYC » Sun May 4, 2025 8:31 pm

I friggin love this kids potential. Zikarsky is a MUST DRAFT. I have him ranked 3rd overall now. I am a HUUUUUUGGE fan. If we draft him we can call his thread

Huggy bear & Hutch - The Rocco Zikarsky thread

1. Cooper Flagg
2. Dylan Harper
3. Rocco Zikarsky - trade just a couple spots back and take him first if 1 and 2 are gone.
4. Jase Richardson
5. Carter Bryant
6. Maxime Raynaud
7. LaBaron Philon
8. Walter Clayton JR
9. Milos Uzan - If we didn't need an SG this guy would be the PICK. 6'4 gonna be niice
10. NOT SURE YET

ROCCO ZIKARSKY - here is video of his shooting form. Purest EVER.
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Post#1513 » by Diop » Sun May 4, 2025 11:01 pm

Don't let the hype videos take over buddy. I the last 2 years he hasn't shown a good shooting touch or post moves, he gets bullied by stronger centres. His main asset is his height. He's only young so there is time, but he's a project who could go either way
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Post#1514 » by UNCNYC » Sun May 4, 2025 11:15 pm

Diop wrote:Don't let the hype videos take over buddy. I the last 2 years he hasn't shown a good shooting touch or post moves, he gets bullied by stronger centres. His main asset is his height. He's only young so there is time, but he's a project who could go either way


I got so much to do this weekend but I will try to watch some FULL games of his... I still would take the gamble... Even if able to use him as a 6th man... He has too much the IT factor. Bailey and a few of the others are still a bit raw so maybe he can turn around his short comings...
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Post#1515 » by UNCNYC » Mon May 5, 2025 1:07 am

Diop wrote:Don't let the hype videos take over buddy. I the last 2 years he hasn't shown a good shooting touch or post moves, he gets bullied by stronger centres. His main asset is his height. He's only young so there is time, but he's a project who could go either way


You are right. I just watched him play and lets just say I doubt I would even use that first rounder we got coming to us if we win the chip lmao
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Post#1516 » by Diop » Mon May 5, 2025 1:11 am

UNCNYC wrote:
Diop wrote:Don't let the hype videos take over buddy. I the last 2 years he hasn't shown a good shooting touch or post moves, he gets bullied by stronger centres. His main asset is his height. He's only young so there is time, but he's a project who could go either way


You are right. I just watched him play and lets just say I doubt I would even use that first rounder we got coming to us if we win the chip lmao

i get sucked in by scouting vids all the time.

but if you had a spare 2nd, he would be worth a draft n stash. he's young and big, so who knows
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Post#1517 » by UNCNYC » Mon May 5, 2025 1:49 am

UNCNYC wrote:Just thought of something, Dook has good SG's, While Knueppel is a trade back option taking Tyrese Proctor might be the way to go... Dude has so much to offer and could play SG for us. We can trade back and use the first pick for Raynaud, then use or couple the 2nd for Proctor. I am fan of Richardson but this could work. Probably best to keep the two 2nd's and get proctor who should be there... If he's not just take Richard, Tonji, and or Chase Hunter with the two picks

Melo
Proctor - or Will Richard, John Tonji, Kam Jones, and/or Chase Hunter if Proctor is gone
Miller
Miles
Raynaud - and pick up a couple future 1st if we get pick 3-7



Welp back to the drawing board lmao
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Post#1518 » by UNCNYC » Mon May 5, 2025 7:04 am

I think pick 3 should be narrowed down to

Carter Bryant and Maxime Raynaud because there are a lot of SG's and combo guards that could be still available with our 2 picks...

Milos Uzan
Tyrese Proctor
Chase Hunter
Kam Jones
Walter Clayton JR

I think many here will be impressed by Milos Uzan. Speed power and knowlege. This guy can do it all. Great size at 6'4 and beat dook.
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Post#1519 » by KingCat » Mon May 5, 2025 7:41 am

Honestly atm I'm at the mindset where if we fall out of top two; I'd crash out and just take a flyer in Bailey if he us there lol
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Post#1520 » by UNCNYC » Mon May 5, 2025 7:57 am

KingCat wrote:Honestly atn I'm at the mindset where if we fall out of top two; I'd crash out and just take a flyer in Bailey if he us there lol


I can see that, imo this draft is a tad overrated at the TOP. After the first two, it's like almost /meh for a bit. Bailey imo is probably the next best option but I would rather get some picks but Bailey wouldn't upset me... I think we'd regret it a bit though... BTW my suggestion for Carter Bryant or Maxime Raynaud includes a trade back....

We also have to hope our front office is wise enough to select well... We have limited history to go on with their success and the first pick did not go off well...
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