Official 2025 Offseason Thread

[basketballRob]

Sign Chris Paul and look to move Suggs for another high lottery pick.

I wonder if CP3 would be interested or if he's perfectly happy finishing his career in SAS...Suggs is so critical to ORL, but there are scenarios I'd have to entertain. Depending on how the lottery shakes out...

Suggs for Cam Johnson or Claxton and their pick
Suggs for CJ McCollum and their high pick or Suggs + somebody for CJ, Herb and their pick
Suggs for Poole and WAS pick (if it's #2)...I wouldn't expect WAS to agree
Suggs for Quickley and 25 frp swap (#7 for #16) or, Suggs & Goga for Poeltl & Barrett and their pick
Suggs & Filler (Jett Howard? Goga?) for FVV and their pick
Suggs for Clingan, Simons & their pick

Suggs for Kyrie (opt out and extend at $35m per x 3 years) and their pick...obviously, Kyrie would have to be into the idea

I know that some or all of these would not be of interest to the other teams...but maybe. I left SAS out because they have all of the Suggs they need in Castle.

That's just ugly overrate of what Suggs as player and asset brings.

Look it from another perspective:

5th year player (next season)
rookie year- was terrible, got hurt
second year- was mediocre- got hurt
year three- breakout in contract year- healthy
year four - regression and got hurt

Total 12 ppg, 32% for 3 for defensive combo guard who isn't much of playmaker on $35M a year.

Nets, Wizards, Raptors , Blazers simply won't give you lottery picks for injury prone 5th year, overpaid, unproven player.


Pelicans would also never trade for injury prone player again. Concept of stock piling injury prone players is what got them there. You know "best young core ever"


As far as i know Suggs and Lonzo are only nba players ever to do mosaicplasty. There is possibility he won't even be ready to start next season, not to mention that nobody knows how his knee will hold up after that.
That's another reason not a single lottery team will give you a pick for player who is medical experiment, especially since only other medical experiment died off ( Lonzo Ball , former 2# pick, one of most hyped players ever , due cronical knee issues turned into below MLE player at age of 27, after not playing basketball for near 3 years)

Lonzo had knee cartilage transplant from a donor. Suggs just had a little bit removed. Two totally surgeries.

Suggs mosaicplasty was just to smooth the surface of the knee, not a knee transplant.





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[pepe1991]

I wonder if CP3 would be interested or if he's perfectly happy finishing his career in SAS...Suggs is so critical to ORL, but there are scenarios I'd have to entertain. Depending on how the lottery shakes out...

Suggs for Cam Johnson or Claxton and their pick
Suggs for CJ McCollum and their high pick or Suggs + somebody for CJ, Herb and their pick
Suggs for Poole and WAS pick (if it's #2)...I wouldn't expect WAS to agree
Suggs for Quickley and 25 frp swap (#7 for #16) or, Suggs & Goga for Poeltl & Barrett and their pick
Suggs & Filler (Jett Howard? Goga?) for FVV and their pick
Suggs for Clingan, Simons & their pick

Suggs for Kyrie (opt out and extend at $35m per x 3 years) and their pick...obviously, Kyrie would have to be into the idea

I know that some or all of these would not be of interest to the other teams...but maybe. I left SAS out because they have all of the Suggs they need in Castle.

That's just ugly overrate of what Suggs as player and asset brings.

Look it from another perspective:

5th year player (next season)
rookie year- was terrible, got hurt
second year- was mediocre- got hurt
year three- breakout in contract year- healthy
year four - regression and got hurt

Total 12 ppg, 32% for 3 for defensive combo guard who isn't much of playmaker on $35M a year.

Nets, Wizards, Raptors , Blazers simply won't give you lottery picks for injury prone 5th year, overpaid, unproven player.


Pelicans would also never trade for injury prone player again. Concept of stock piling injury prone players is what got them there. You know "best young core ever"


As far as i know Suggs and Lonzo are only nba players ever to do mosaicplasty. There is possibility he won't even be ready to start next season, not to mention that nobody knows how his knee will hold up after that.
That's another reason not a single lottery team will give you a pick for player who is medical experiment, especially since only other medical experiment died off ( Lonzo Ball , former 2# pick, one of most hyped players ever , due cronical knee issues turned into below MLE player at age of 27, after not playing basketball for near 3 years)

Lonzo had knee cartilage transplant from a donor. Suggs just had a little bit removed. Two totally surgeries.

Suggs mosaicplasty was just to smooth the surface of the knee, not a knee transplant.





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Suggs, who played just three games in 2025, had successful arthroscopic surgery to remove a loose fragment of trochlea cartilage in his left knee in early March, bringing the fourth-year guard's season to a premature end and eliminating his chance to play in the postseason. The procedure also involved a mosaicplasty – a transplant of tissue taken from a less-demanding area of the knee to cover a cartilage defect in a more important area – to repair the joint.

From SI article
https://www.si.com/nba/magic/news/jalen-suggs-injury-update-expects-to-be-ready-for-2025-26-orlando-magic-season-but-progress-comes-slow-nba-

[basketballRob]

That's just ugly overrate of what Suggs as player and asset brings.

Look it from another perspective:

5th year player (next season)
rookie year- was terrible, got hurt
second year- was mediocre- got hurt
year three- breakout in contract year- healthy
year four - regression and got hurt

Total 12 ppg, 32% for 3 for defensive combo guard who isn't much of playmaker on $35M a year.

Nets, Wizards, Raptors , Blazers simply won't give you lottery picks for injury prone 5th year, overpaid, unproven player.


Pelicans would also never trade for injury prone player again. Concept of stock piling injury prone players is what got them there. You know "best young core ever"


As far as i know Suggs and Lonzo are only nba players ever to do mosaicplasty. There is possibility he won't even be ready to start next season, not to mention that nobody knows how his knee will hold up after that.
That's another reason not a single lottery team will give you a pick for player who is medical experiment, especially since only other medical experiment died off ( Lonzo Ball , former 2# pick, one of most hyped players ever , due cronical knee issues turned into below MLE player at age of 27, after not playing basketball for near 3 years)

Lonzo had knee cartilage transplant from a donor. Suggs just had a little bit removed. Two totally surgeries.

Suggs mosaicplasty was just to smooth the surface of the knee, not a knee transplant.





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Suggs, who played just three games in 2025, had successful arthroscopic surgery to remove a loose fragment of trochlea cartilage in his left knee in early March, bringing the fourth-year guard's season to a premature end and eliminating his chance to play in the postseason. The procedure also involved a mosaicplasty – a transplant of tissue taken from a less-demanding area of the knee to cover a cartilage defect in a more important area – to repair the joint.

From SI article
https://www.si.com/nba/magic/news/jalen-suggs-injury-update-expects-to-be-ready-for-2025-26-orlando-magic-season-but-progress-comes-slow-nba-

I think they are giving the definition of mosaicplasty surgery that they found on Google. The mosaicplasty the Suggs received was to fix an indention on the surface of his knee. Removing a small fragment was separate.





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[Viper1500]

Why in the world are we looking to trade Suggs? Perfect fit on this team assuming no we can find a competent PG.

[J the Drafter]

Hell, if Suggs is able to come back as his old self, wouldn’t the Magic be better served signing a solid backup pg instead of trading for a starter on the assumption that they don’t already have a good one?

[Fortune Teller]

I love Suggs, but very concerned he’s never going to be a full-time player. He’s played half a season or less 3 of his first 4 years.

[89Magicfan]

Hell, if Suggs is able to come back as his old self, wouldn’t the Magic be better served signing a solid backup pg instead of trading for a starter on the assumption that they don’t already have a good one?

He’s not a full time PG. He has some of the skill set but he’s not someone that you put there full time. I tried to find the stats to see how much better he is at SG vs PG but I couldn’t find anything. Eye test he’s more consistent at the SG spot then full time PG.

[basketballRob]

I love Suggs, but very concerned he’s never going to be a full-time player. He’s played half a season or less 3 of his first 4 years.

He needs to stop trying to dunk everything. He's had a lot of terrible falls from trying to dunk. He also pulls muscles and damages his hand on the rim, trying to dunk. Just layup the ball.

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[T-Cat]

Why in the world are we looking to trade Suggs? Perfect fit on this team assuming no we can find a competent PG.

You have to consider no player is off the table. Especially if the right deal came along, we also have to consider his availability since he has been drafted hasn't been dependable.

[basketballRob]

I think Suggs will need to come back and play well for a season or two before you could get a lot of value for him. His health is another reason to hold onto Black.

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[VFX]

Suggs comes back next season and IF Weltman acquires an actual point guard to pair next to him he should be fine injury wise.

If he misses 20+ games next season we can talk about availability issues and potentially moving him.

You just don’t give up on a guy that plays the way he does to the benefit of winning games. He does everything you want out of a guy that doesn’t need the ball in his hands at all times.

Acquiring a legitimate point guard will mean LESS on ball action from him and MORE effort on defensive playmaking/ spot up shooting on offense.

[basketballRob]

Suggs comes back next season and IF Weltman acquires an actual point guard to pair next to him he should be fine injury wise.

If he misses 20+ games next season we can talk about availability issues and potentially moving him.

You just don’t give up on a guy that plays the way he does to the benefit of winning games. He does everything you want out of a guy that doesn’t need the ball in his hands at all times.

Acquiring a legitimate point guard will mean LESS on ball action from him and MORE effort on defensive playmaking/ spot up shooting on offense.

Not many teams would sign a player who hasn't played 1 game of a 5-yr $150m deal and is coming off knee surgery.

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[Skybox]

Suggs comes back next season and IF Weltman acquires an actual point guard to pair next to him he should be fine injury wise.

If he misses 20+ games next season we can talk about availability issues and potentially moving him.

You just don’t give up on a guy that plays the way he does to the benefit of winning games. He does everything you want out of a guy that doesn’t need the ball in his hands at all times.

Acquiring a legitimate point guard will mean LESS on ball action from him and MORE effort on defensive playmaking/ spot up shooting on offense.

Totally agree...I also love to envision the havoc that he and AB/KCP could unleash at the POA if we got a monster of a defensive Center. I think much of Mose's vision for this team is "offense from defense"...fast breaks come from turnovers and we have 3 ELITE POA defenders that would be encouraged to take more gambles, with the knowledge that they were no longer the only significant line of defense. The steals, fastbreaks, lobs and dunks would be electrifying.

As far as the intensity and the dunks and dives...Suggs gotta be Suggs - or else he won't be Suggs.

[basketballRob]

Suggs comes back next season and IF Weltman acquires an actual point guard to pair next to him he should be fine injury wise.

If he misses 20+ games next season we can talk about availability issues and potentially moving him.

You just don’t give up on a guy that plays the way he does to the benefit of winning games. He does everything you want out of a guy that doesn’t need the ball in his hands at all times.

Acquiring a legitimate point guard will mean LESS on ball action from him and MORE effort on defensive playmaking/ spot up shooting on offense.

Totally agree...I also love to envision the havoc that he and AB/KCP could unleash at the POA if we got a monster of a defensive Center. I think much of Mose's vision for this team is "offense from defense"...fast breaks come from turnovers and we have 3 ELITE POA defenders that would be encouraged to take more gambles, with the knowledge that they were no longer the only significant line of defense. The steals, fastbreaks, lobs and dunks would be electrifying.

As far as the intensity and the dunks and dives...Suggs gotta be Suggs - or else he won't be Suggs.

Suggs blows a lot of dunks because he has small hands. He also ends up grabbing his back or hands after the dunk a lot. It's just selfish showboating. Simons won a dunk contest, and very rarely do you see him dunk in the game.

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[Skybox]

Suggs comes back next season and IF Weltman acquires an actual point guard to pair next to him he should be fine injury wise.

If he misses 20+ games next season we can talk about availability issues and potentially moving him.

You just don’t give up on a guy that plays the way he does to the benefit of winning games. He does everything you want out of a guy that doesn’t need the ball in his hands at all times.

Acquiring a legitimate point guard will mean LESS on ball action from him and MORE effort on defensive playmaking/ spot up shooting on offense.

Totally agree...I also love to envision the havoc that he and AB/KCP could unleash at the POA if we got a monster of a defensive Center. I think much of Mose's vision for this team is "offense from defense"...fast breaks come from turnovers and we have 3 ELITE POA defenders that would be encouraged to take more gambles, with the knowledge that they were no longer the only significant line of defense. The steals, fastbreaks, lobs and dunks would be electrifying.

As far as the intensity and the dunks and dives...Suggs gotta be Suggs - or else he won't be Suggs.

Suggs blows a lot of dunks because he has small hands. He also ends up grabbing his back or hands after the dunk a lot. It's just selfish showboating. Simons won a dunk contest, and very rarely do you see him dunk in the game.

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I wasn't aware that he blew a lot of dunks...how many dunks did he miss?

[89Magicfan]

Suggs comes back next season and IF Weltman acquires an actual point guard to pair next to him he should be fine injury wise.

If he misses 20+ games next season we can talk about availability issues and potentially moving him.

You just don’t give up on a guy that plays the way he does to the benefit of winning games. He does everything you want out of a guy that doesn’t need the ball in his hands at all times.

Acquiring a legitimate point guard will mean LESS on ball action from him and MORE effort on defensive playmaking/ spot up shooting on offense.

Totally agree...I also love to envision the havoc that he and AB/KCP could unleash at the POA if we got a monster of a defensive Center. I think much of Mose's vision for this team is "offense from defense"...fast breaks come from turnovers and we have 3 ELITE POA defenders that would be encouraged to take more gambles, with the knowledge that they were no longer the only significant line of defense. The steals, fastbreaks, lobs and dunks would be electrifying.

As far as the intensity and the dunks and dives...Suggs gotta be Suggs - or else he won't be Suggs.

Suggs blows a lot of dunks because he has small hands. He also ends up grabbing his back or hands after the dunk a lot. It's just selfish showboating.

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Nah he just plays at a level of intensity. Not showboating. It’s across the board not just dunks. His intensity is what gets him hurt as he hasn’t been able to harness it. It also is what helps wins games so a double edge sword.

[basketballRob]

Totally agree...I also love to envision the havoc that he and AB/KCP could unleash at the POA if we got a monster of a defensive Center. I think much of Mose's vision for this team is "offense from defense"...fast breaks come from turnovers and we have 3 ELITE POA defenders that would be encouraged to take more gambles, with the knowledge that they were no longer the only significant line of defense. The steals, fastbreaks, lobs and dunks would be electrifying.

As far as the intensity and the dunks and dives...Suggs gotta be Suggs - or else he won't be Suggs.

Suggs blows a lot of dunks because he has small hands. He also ends up grabbing his back or hands after the dunk a lot. It's just selfish showboating. Simons won a dunk contest, and very rarely do you see him dunk in the game.

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I wasn't aware that he blew a lot of dunks...how many dunks did he miss?

My guess is he only makes around 70% of his dunk attempts. He would convert 95% if he just laid it up.

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[eyriq]

Trade value assessment:

Tier 1: Foundational Stars (untouchable)
Paolo
Franz

Tier 2: High-Value Assets (potentially movable for an all-star)
Suggs
AB

Tier 3: Key Rotation Players/Potential Trade Chips (frequently discussed)
JI (complex trade value with elite defense and non-guaranteed and declining contract)
KCP (value is moderate at best, potentially leaning negative)
Cole (moderate value, instant offense on an expiring contract)
WCJ (trade value is depressed due to declining stats and expensive extension)

Tier 4: Developing Prospects & Salary Matching
Bitadze
Jett
Da Silva
Houstan
Moritz
Harris
Joseph

[cedric76]

Why in the world are we looking to trade Suggs? Perfect fit on this team assuming no we can find a competent PG.

We r not trying to trade him

[JF5]

Suggs is the heart and soul of the team. He's not getting traded. They essentially said as much in the Exit Interview.