2025 NBA Draft Thread: Detroit Pick Edition

Norseman79 · Post #481 » by **Norseman79** » Sun May 4, 2025 6:27 pm

Don't think we have the cap space to do both, I also don't think Naz wants to be coming off the bench anymore. From a culture standpoint, I'm keeping Naz and trading Randle, if he doesn't opt out.

BlacJacMac · Post #482 » by **BlacJacMac** » Sun May 4, 2025 8:16 pm

Norseman79 wrote:Don't think we have the cap space to do both, I also don't think Naz wants to be coming off the bench anymore. From a culture standpoint, I'm keeping Naz and trading Randle, if he doesn't opt out.

I don't want Naz starting, so if that's his demand to stay, I'm sacrificing "culture".

Norseman79 · Post #483 » by **Norseman79** » Sun May 4, 2025 9:14 pm

BlacJacMac wrote:
Norseman79 wrote:Don't think we have the cap space to do both, I also don't think Naz wants to be coming off the bench anymore. From a culture standpoint, I'm keeping Naz and trading Randle, if he doesn't opt out.

I don't want Naz starting, so if that's his demand to stay, I'm sacrificing "culture".

You are definitely free to have that opinion. I guess I'm okay with him starting. Especially if it frees up more money to get a starting point guard and better depth in the front court.

Post #484 » by **Klomp** » Sun May 4, 2025 9:40 pm

I honestly struggle with the Naz starting question.

I'm not 100% convinced it would be in our best interest, for either the regular season or playoffs. But I'm not even sure that's his top priority this summer. People on Twitter read into some of his recent comments, thinking that he's going to be aiming for a starting job now that Finch has told him he's good enough to be a starter. But to me, I'm not convinced that's what should be read into those comments. There might be some of that, but I aso think it shows how bought into the culture that Reid is. And at the end Naz said it himself, "I have a chance to win with these guys." That's not a given everywhere else.

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BlacJacMac · Post #485 » by **BlacJacMac** » Sun May 4, 2025 9:57 pm

Norseman79 wrote:
BlacJacMac wrote:
Norseman79 wrote:Don't think we have the cap space to do both, I also don't think Naz wants to be coming off the bench anymore. From a culture standpoint, I'm keeping Naz and trading Randle, if he doesn't opt out.

I don't want Naz starting, so if that's his demand to stay, I'm sacrificing "culture".

You are definitely free to have that opinion. I guess I'm okay with him starting. Especially if it frees up more money to get a starting point guard and better depth in the front court.

So the idea is Randle’s money will get us both a starting PG and a better player than Randle?

Norseman79 · Post #486 » by **Norseman79** » Sun May 4, 2025 10:49 pm

BlacJacMac wrote:
Norseman79 wrote:
BlacJacMac wrote:
I don't want Naz starting, so if that's his demand to stay, I'm sacrificing "culture".

You are definitely free to have that opinion. I guess I'm okay with him starting. Especially if it frees up more money to get a starting point guard and better depth in the front court.

So the idea is Randle’s money will get us both a starting PG and a better player than Randle?

No, it's the idea would be that the draft pick could be a power forward to develop behind Naz - who actually put up better stats than Randle when he started, You're going to have to sign him to a new contract also. But at some point they're going to need a starting PG unless that's DD or NAW.

Ethomasp31 · Post #487 » by **Ethomasp31** » Mon May 5, 2025 3:37 am

Norseman79 wrote:
Ethomasp31 wrote:
Norseman79 wrote:
The real kick could be if we package the 17 and potentially Randle could we get up to 10ish?

Good Grief...I get Randle was a bad mix at the beginning of the year. I hated him as much as anyone. But 17 and Randle to get to the 10th pick is brutal. Our season would be over now if we didn't have Randle.

Do you want Randle or Naz?

If the money is the same or close I take Randle 100 times out of 100.

Neeva · Post #488 » by **Neeva** » Mon May 5, 2025 3:51 am

Ethomasp31 wrote:
Norseman79 wrote:
Ethomasp31 wrote:
Good Grief...I get Randle was a bad mix at the beginning of the year. I hated him as much as anyone. But 17 and Randle to get to the 10th pick is brutal. Our season would be over now if we didn't have Randle.

Do you want Randle or Naz?

If the money is the same or close I take Randle 100 times out of 100.

What do you consider close? I think Naz is 10-12 million per season cheaper. I think wolves may get more back if they sign and trade Naz than sign and trade Randle.

Ethomasp31 · Post #489 » by **Ethomasp31** » Mon May 5, 2025 4:12 am

Neeva wrote:
Ethomasp31 wrote:
Norseman79 wrote:
Do you want Randle or Naz?

If the money is the same or close I take Randle 100 times out of 100.

What do you consider close? I think Naz is 10-12 million per season cheaper. I think wolves may get more back if they sign and trade Naz than sign and trade Randle.

If they need to move one of them and they can get more for Naz, I would trade Naz. Naz is a free agent. If he is going to make $25-30M and Randle is making $31-32M that is close. If Naz is going to sign for $20M and Randle is going to make $32M then I would prefer to trade Randle....IF we had to move one of the two players.

Randle is a huge reason we are still playing right now. Naz was very inconsistent this season. Naz had a good 2 and a half week stretch at the beginning of the season and a good 5 or 6 week stretch in the middle of the season, but the other 5/8ths of the season he shot around 30% from 3. We could get the ball to Randle against the LAL and he was able to score again and again and again. I'm saying this as someone who hated the trade at first and was willing to trade Randle for anything just to get rid of him around Christmas. Boy was I wrong!! I loved KAT, but I wouldn't trade DDV and Randle to get KAT back even if we got to keep the Detroit draft pick.

moss_is_1 · Post #490 » by **moss_is_1** » Tue May 6, 2025 12:52 am

Norseman79 wrote:Don't think we have the cap space to do both, I also don't think Naz wants to be coming off the bench anymore. From a culture standpoint, I'm keeping Naz and trading Randle, if he doesn't opt out.

We definitely have the space to keep Naz and Randle. We are roughly 12m under the 2nd apron right now with Naz making only $15m next season which I'm sure he'll decide to decline his option for his payday. We could maneuver Garza, Miller, Minott, etc if we really needed to also. Randle could even decline his PO and re-sign to a lower number, who knows. If we want Naz and Randle, there's a way to do it. Also the 17th picks salary was around $3m this season just to pencil that in. Give or take we have $10-$15m in wiggle room for a Naz raise, along with the 2nd rounder(if we keep any rookies), and any vets we may bring in.

Now I doubt we'll do much else in terms of replacing Naw, unless its a veteran minimum type guy.

Post #491 » by **Klomp** » Wed May 7, 2025 7:49 pm

minimus wrote:I hope TC will draft two players who can be developed to be part of frontcourt.

It's interesting looking at his draft history. He's definitely better at identifying perimeter players than he is bigs in draft scouting.

Other than Jokic (who you could argue is actually more of a perimeter player in some ways), the best interior players he has drafted are probably Jusuf Nurkic, Jarred Vanderbilt, and Walker Kessler. The rest of his draft record highlights are perimeter players like Jamal Murray, Michael Porter Jr, Malik Beasley, Gary Harris and Monte Morris in Denver and Rob Dillingham, Terrence Shannon and Jaylen Clark in Minnesota.

Otherwise, his best interior additions have come through free agency (Paul Millsap, Kyle Anderson) or trades (Rudy Gobert).

minimus · Post #492 » by **minimus** » Thu May 8, 2025 6:52 am

How comfortable you are with drafting two raw, players but with higher upside? Lets say:

#17: Ben Saraf
#31: Joan Beringer

or draft for needs aka two bigs:

#17: Danny Wolf or Thomas Sorber or Yaxel Lendeborg
#31: Joan Beringer

My personal choice would be (based on board below):

#17: Carter Bryant. Kelly Oubre + Andrew Wiggins type of big wing: great physical tools, but a lot of room to improve as ballhandler, passer and shooter
#31: Joan Beringer. Joakiam Noah + Clint Capela type of big: great physical tools, no offensive game

Ideally I would draft one BPA and one NBA ready player, something like this:

#17: Carter Bryant
#31: Yaxel Lendeborg

But I expect both Carter Bryant and Yaxel Lendeborg to be drafted higher than on this draft big board

https://www.noceilingsnba.com/p/2025-nba-draft-big-board-v7

younggunsmn · Post #493 » by **younggunsmn** » Fri May 9, 2025 4:20 am

minimus wrote:How comfortable you are with drafting two raw, players but with higher upside? Lets say:

#17: Ben Saraf
#31: Joan Beringer

or draft for needs aka two bigs:

#17: Danny Wolf or Thomas Sorber or Yaxel Lendeborg
#31: Joan Beringer

My personal choice would be (based on board below):

#17: Carter Bryant. Kelly Oubre + Andrew Wiggins type of big wing: great physical tools, but a lot of room to improve as ballhandler, passer and shooter
#31: Joan Beringer. Joakiam Noah + Clint Capela type of big: great physical tools, no offensive game

Ideally I would draft one BPA and one NBA ready player, something like this:

#17: Carter Bryant
#31: Yaxel Lendeborg

But I expect both Carter Bryant and Yaxel Lendeborg to be drafted higher than on this draft big board

https://www.noceilingsnba.com/p/2025-nba-draft-big-board-v7

Please take anyone who isn't a massive center with the bolded attribute completely off our draft board thanks.

minimus · Post #494 » by **minimus** » Fri May 9, 2025 7:33 am

Rasheer Fleming, Noa Essengue, Asa Newell or Joan Beringer with 17 pick?

All three are listed as 6'10" but Beringer looks much bigger to me. Essengue has more McDaniels type of body, Beringer reminds me of young Joakim Noah. Rasheer Fleming and Asa Newell look like smaller Serge Ibaka.

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I would for sure draft either of them with 31 pick. With 17th I'd take Rasheer Fleming

Post #495 » by **Klomp** » Fri May 9, 2025 4:08 pm

I've had my eye on Fleming for a long time He just feels like someone who would fit the Ant/Jaden/Naz core group.

minimus · Post #496 » by **minimus** » Fri May 9, 2025 4:35 pm

Klomp wrote:I've had my eye on Fleming for a long time He just feels like someone who would fit the Ant/Jaden/Naz core group.

He is kind of Naz Reid clone: no mid range game, but excellent rim finishing ability and he shoots only spot up 3s. Needs to develop ballhandling, passing and dribbling skills.

cmoss84 · Post #497 » by **cmoss84** » Fri May 9, 2025 5:35 pm

I'd rather trade 17 and 31 to move up and get BPA...

Post #498 » by **Klomp** » Fri May 9, 2025 5:37 pm

cmoss84 wrote:I'd rather trade 17 and 31 to move up and get BPA...

I don't know if there's a huge disparity between 17 and maybe 13 though

cmoss84 · Post #499 » by **cmoss84** » Fri May 9, 2025 5:55 pm

Klomp wrote:
cmoss84 wrote:I'd rather trade 17 and 31 to move up and get BPA...

I don't know if there's a huge disparity between 17 and maybe 13 though

Derry Queen baby!

https://umterps.com/news/2025/4/4/mens-basketball-derik-queen-declares-for-nba-draft.aspx

minimus · Post #500 » by **minimus** » Fri May 9, 2025 6:06 pm

cmoss84 wrote:
Klomp wrote:
cmoss84 wrote:I'd rather trade 17 and 31 to move up and get BPA...

I don't know if there's a huge disparity between 17 and maybe 13 though

Derry Queen baby!

https://umterps.com/news/2025/4/4/mens-basketball-derik-queen-declares-for-nba-draft.aspx

He is considered a top-10 lock. Trading 17+31 in order to grab Queen might turn into another Garland situation, where our FO failed short.

P.S. I really like Queen skillset