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Post#61 » by arkuo » Fri May 2, 2025 8:17 pm

If the Grizz are looking to rebuild and keep Morant, Desmond Bane looks interesting for Dallas.

PJ + Klay + Hardy + 1st maybe? Gives the Grizz scoring in more positions and less reliant on Jaren Jackson to do a lot.

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Edey


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Lively

Looks good for both teams. PJ's new contract, combined with Klay's deal isn't too far off from what Bane is earning anyway. I think it works.
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Post#62 » by HMFFL » Sat May 3, 2025 12:33 am

arkuo wrote:Will Dejounte Murray be a good fit beside Kyrie in the backcourt?
If you want Dejounte Murray's not a good fit at all.

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Post#63 » by 41Dirk41 » Sat May 3, 2025 7:58 am

Immagine trade Luka Doncic and after that don't have enough assets for another big trade... That's the Harrison plan. Wow.
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Post#64 » by Mavrelous » Sun May 4, 2025 10:22 am

Bulls fan proposed Coby White/Jalen Smith/POR 1st for Gafford/Prosper/#11
I like this trade, I would've preffered more of a PG, but White is good.
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Post#65 » by arkuo » Sun May 4, 2025 10:36 am

Mavrelous wrote:Bulls fan proposed Coby White/Jalen Smith/POR 1st for Gafford/Prosper/#11
I like this trade, I would've preffered more of a PG, but White is good.



White is like 6'5. He can play opposite Kyrie. I like it.
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Post#66 » by 41Dirk41 » Sun May 4, 2025 12:58 pm

Mavrelous wrote:Bulls fan proposed Coby White/Jalen Smith/POR 1st for Gafford/Prosper/#11
I like this trade, I would've preffered more of a PG, but White is good.


Where can i sign?

Prosper is a bluff and Gafford will demand a lot of money, we lose nothing in fact.
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Post#67 » by Mavrelous » Sun May 4, 2025 3:17 pm

Every single player from this photo has already been eliminated from the PO, the 1st round isn't over yet.
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What a catastrophic year for the Mavs, a legit worse drop off from 2006-->2007 catastrophy.
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Post#68 » by Archx » Sun May 4, 2025 3:38 pm

Mavrelous wrote:Every single player from this photo has already been eliminated from the PO, the 1st round isn't over yet.
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What a catastrophic year for the Mavs, a legit worse drop off from 2006-->2007 catastrophy.


Don't forget, Nico built this roster for the future. AD and Kyrie will still be winning rings (with defense) at 36yo/37yo.. So, don't worry :P
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Post#69 » by arkuo » Sun May 4, 2025 4:33 pm

Mavs Twitter is suggesting signing Malcolm Brogdon in the summer. Is he still any good? I mean if it's backup PG minutes, then Dennis Smith Jr brings a lot of defense. His 3 point shot is similar to that of Dinwiddie's anyway. Which is good once in every 5 games.
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Post#70 » by Darren » Mon May 5, 2025 1:21 am

41Dirk41 wrote:
Mavrelous wrote:Bulls fan proposed Coby White/Jalen Smith/POR 1st for Gafford/Prosper/#11
I like this trade, I would've preffered more of a PG, but White is good.


Where can i sign?
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Prosper is a bluff and Gafford will demand a lot of money, we lose nothing in fact.


I'm not. 11 pick is still a high lottery pick. I am not very high on Coby White. Gafford is easily more valuable than both players coming back. The Mavs should stop parting with pick to unload good player. This is a repeat of the Grimes trade. I know Gafford has good market price at some point. But still, this is selling low kind of trade.
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Post#71 » by Darren » Mon May 5, 2025 1:24 am

Gafford is outplaying DLive this season. The physical composure together with the mental toughness will the team to win. This is a physical style I want DLive to grow quickly. Still, the Mavs is significantly less physical and energetic without Gafford in the lineup.

The Houston series also make me wonder what the Mavs could do differently with Udoka instead of Kidd.
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Post#72 » by Mavrelous » Mon May 5, 2025 5:20 am

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That would be bizzare for the Suns, going from championship winning coaches in the PHX to assistants...
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Post#73 » by 41Dirk41 » Mon May 5, 2025 7:47 am

Darren wrote:
41Dirk41 wrote:
Mavrelous wrote:Bulls fan proposed Coby White/Jalen Smith/POR 1st for Gafford/Prosper/#11
I like this trade, I would've preffered more of a PG, but White is good.


Where can i sign?
ut
Prosper is a bluff and Gafford will demand a lot of money, we lose nothing in fact.


I'm not. 11 pick is still a high lottery pick. I am not very high on Coby White. Gafford is easily more valuable than both players coming back. The Mavs should stop parting with pick to unload good player. This is a repeat of the Grimes trade. I know Gafford has good market price at some point. But still, this is selling low kind of trade.


Ok... Next Josh Green is coming.

I doubt Mavs will sign a better back court player than Coby White this summer, so good luck with another season leaded by Exum, Dinwiddie and Brandon Williams.
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Post#74 » by arkuo » Mon May 5, 2025 8:05 am

If AD is adamant in playing PF then PJ has to be the one to go IMO. One of Gaff or PJ has to go but since PJ cant play SF effectively in long stretches, then you flip him for a ball handler.

I'd prefer to keep Gaff because you never know with Lively's foot fracture. He's been missing a lot of games too so I'd like to see if he can play a whole season. Mavs need to throw a lot of money at Lively because some other team will. You need to see if he's capable first before doing that.
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Post#75 » by Mavrelous » Mon May 5, 2025 8:25 am

arkuo wrote:If AD is adamant in playing PF then PJ has to be the one to go IMO. One of Gaff or PJ has to go but since PJ cant play SF effectively in long stretches, then you flip him for a ball handler.

I'd prefer to keep Gaff because you never know with Lively's foot fracture. He's been missing a lot of games too so I'd like to see if he can play a whole season. Mavs need to throw a lot of money at Lively because some other team will. You need to see if he's capable first before doing that.


It's a real dilemma, because PJ/AD frontcourt is really, really good, and AD/Lively frontcourt didn't show a lot of promise, but it was small sample and Lively was clearly not himslef.
PJ is really underrated, he's a very good modern 4 and these are really hard to find.
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Post#76 » by 41Dirk41 » Mon May 5, 2025 9:51 am

It's funny to see that all our problems (rotations, trades, spots) start and finish with Anthony Davis... That collusion is even more painful then we expected.
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Post#77 » by arkuo » Mon May 5, 2025 10:40 am

Mavrelous wrote:
arkuo wrote:If AD is adamant in playing PF then PJ has to be the one to go IMO. One of Gaff or PJ has to go but since PJ cant play SF effectively in long stretches, then you flip him for a ball handler.

I'd prefer to keep Gaff because you never know with Lively's foot fracture. He's been missing a lot of games too so I'd like to see if he can play a whole season. Mavs need to throw a lot of money at Lively because some other team will. You need to see if he's capable first before doing that.


It's a real dilemma, because PJ/AD frontcourt is really, really good, and AD/Lively frontcourt didn't show a lot of promise, but it was small sample and Lively was clearly not himslef.
PJ is really underrated, he's a very good modern 4 and these are really hard to find.



I guess Kidd has to talk to AD to see if there is a chance he plays the 5 next season with PJ as the 4. Memphis, Houston, OKC and Cleveland are running a 2-bigman setup and looking at the list, AD is the only one that is All NBA and All Defense. Mavs have a slight edge. I'm not sure if PJ can play small ball C. But at 6'7 he may be too small for the 5 spot especially in the playoffs. PJ scoring 0 points in an elimination game also makes his case at SF very hard.

I'd really like to consider getting Desmond Bane if Memphis is looking to do a rebuild without trading away Ja or JJJ. They just got swept by an average of 30 pts each game. They need retooling for sure. Dallas could use someone like Bane and Memphis could use Klay and PJ to add more firepower to that starting 5 of theirs.
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Post#78 » by arkuo » Mon May 5, 2025 10:42 am

A lot of the problems or "inactivity" from Gaff, PJ and Lively is a result of being immersed in the Luka system where everyone just stands around waiting for something to happen. I understand teams don't practice so much in-season and will need training camp to change all that including all the plays they run. Going from heliocentric ball to another way of playing will get addressed with a full camp. So I try to temper my criticisms towards PJ, Gaff and Lively. They are still playing like they have a guard who is dominating the ball for 90% of the shot clock (not saying this is bad so Luka fans need not get in a frenzy again, just relax LOL). So now there needs to be a shift.

It's the complete opposite in LA where Lebron, AR and Luka all take turns running the ball. Someday they will realize that they just need to give the ball to Luka and have everyone else stand in the 3 point line. That's like when Dallas had Harrison Barnes, DSJ and Luka take turns with the ball. We've seen that movie before. Sooner of later those guys will get shipped out for better fitting pieces.
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Post#79 » by 41Dirk41 » Mon May 5, 2025 10:58 am

Lakers shopped hard him because he wanted to play PF...

If they really want to build around AD then trade Gafford, Lively & PJ for SFs and Cs who fit better with street clothes.

Like i said this roster is not fixable, we need a revolution.
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Post#80 » by Archx » Mon May 5, 2025 11:14 am

arkuo wrote:
Mavrelous wrote:
arkuo wrote:If AD is adamant in playing PF then PJ has to be the one to go IMO. One of Gaff or PJ has to go but since PJ cant play SF effectively in long stretches, then you flip him for a ball handler.

I'd prefer to keep Gaff because you never know with Lively's foot fracture. He's been missing a lot of games too so I'd like to see if he can play a whole season. Mavs need to throw a lot of money at Lively because some other team will. You need to see if he's capable first before doing that.


It's a real dilemma, because PJ/AD frontcourt is really, really good, and AD/Lively frontcourt didn't show a lot of promise, but it was small sample and Lively was clearly not himslef.
PJ is really underrated, he's a very good modern 4 and these are really hard to find.



I guess Kidd has to talk to AD to see if there is a chance he plays the 5 next season with PJ as the 4. Memphis, Houston, OKC and Cleveland are running a 2-bigman setup and looking at the list, AD is the only one that is All NBA and All Defense. Mavs have a slight edge. I'm not sure if PJ can play small ball C. But at 6'7 he may be too small for the 5 spot especially in the playoffs. PJ scoring 0 points in an elimination game also makes his case at SF very hard.

I'd really like to consider getting Desmond Bane if Memphis is looking to do a rebuild without trading away Ja or JJJ. They just got swept by an average of 30 pts each game. They need retooling for sure. Dallas could use someone like Bane and Memphis could use Klay and PJ to add more firepower to that starting 5 of theirs.


PJ on his own is nothing special but next to (certain someone), who can create space and feed him the ball, PJ can be really good. Same goes for Lively and to some extent Gafford. But Gaff showed he can be effective on his own. But problem is, AD needs space to operate and also needs a playmaking guard next to him. He was perfect with Lebron because of who Lebron is. And now without Kyrie, only option for AD is to just ISO on ISO on ISO. Kidd's offense has been exposed so hard by MEM it's laughable.

For as long as we can remember, Mavs had center problems, now they'll have same problems as the Suns, no real playmaker and that killed Suns year after year.

But all in all, Nico can't afford to lose Lively because i'm 99% sure Gafford will either walk or get traded. Mavs don't have enough money to keep entire roster, even if he got rid of Grimes for cheap. Exum, Dinwiddie will also both be gone probably unless he resigns them for vet min. Lively is still on a rookie contract and will be RFA, so keeping him is not going to be an issue.

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