KD = Which 2025 1st?

[OxAndFox]

It won't be a 2025 1st from the Kings, but I get a feeling the Kings are going to overpay big time to get KD.

[Astaluego]

KI's injury (doesn't look good) takes the Mavs out of the race??.. My favorite to get him is Miami right now.. Rozier/Robinson/Ware/Jovic+ Warriors FRP for KD/Bear

[Mr Puddles]

KI's injury (doesn't look good) takes the Mavs out of the race??.. My favorite to get him is Miami right now.. Rozier/Robinson/Ware/Jovic+ Warriors FRP for KD/Bear

Why does it take the mavericks out of the race? If anything, it might strengthen their case.

Most people here would agree that at full strength the Mavericks are a dark horse contender. With their current string of injuries they might plummet out of the play-in spot potentially landing a top 10 pick.

Assuming ownership is in win-now mode, and prioritizes keeping its core in tact over adding a rookie, this would allow the Mavericks to offer a higher pick thus not needing to include as many players they prefer not to part with in an offer (i.e. offer less player value due to the fact that they can offer more draft value now).

Dallas is in a position to gut less of its debt while adding KD should catapult them co-favorites to win the West next year IMO.

[Astaluego]

KI's injury (doesn't look good) takes the Mavs out of the race??.. My favorite to get him is Miami right now.. Rozier/Robinson/Ware/Jovic+ Warriors FRP for KD/Bear

Why does it take the mavericks out of the race? If anything, it might strengthen their case.

Most people here would agree that at full strength the Mavericks are a dark horse contender. With their current string of injuries they might plummet out of the play-in spot potentially landing a top 10 pick.

Assuming ownership is in win-now mode, and prioritizes keeping its core in tact over adding a rookie, this would allow the Mavericks to offer a higher pick thus not needing to include as many players they prefer not to part with in an offer (i.e. offer less player value due to the fact that they can offer more draft value now).

Dallas is in a position to gut less of its debt while adding KD should catapult them co-favorites to win the West next year IMO.

I see your point and it's premature to talk about it until we know the extent of KI injury.. but he could easily not be ready to start next year and the Mavs would have to gut the team anyway to match KD's salary.. I think KD's injury could make Dallas less attractive for KD.. I also have a hard time believing KD is on the same page as the new Mavs ownership.. I doubt he extends it (I don't see the Mavs offering him the max this summer either).. He'll take his PO this summer and hit free agency at 26 with more money.

[Slim Charless]

KI's injury (doesn't look good) takes the Mavs out of the race??.. My favorite to get him is Miami right now.. Rozier/Robinson/Ware/Jovic+ Warriors FRP for KD/Bear

Why does it take the mavericks out of the race? If anything, it might strengthen their case.

Most people here would agree that at full strength the Mavericks are a dark horse contender. With their current string of injuries they might plummet out of the play-in spot potentially landing a top 10 pick.

Assuming ownership is in win-now mode, and prioritizes keeping its core in tact over adding a rookie, this would allow the Mavericks to offer a higher pick thus not needing to include as many players they prefer not to part with in an offer (i.e. offer less player value due to the fact that they can offer more draft value now).

Dallas is in a position to gut less of its debt while adding KD should catapult them co-favorites to win the West next year IMO.

I agree. Now the offers made earlier by Mavs fans make sense if paired with a top 10th pick. Let's say maybe 4 overall. Plus the other stuff. That's doable. If Klay is included then the Lakers 29 first must be as well imo too btw.

[Astaluego]

KI's injury (doesn't look good) takes the Mavs out of the race??.. My favorite to get him is Miami right now.. Rozier/Robinson/Ware/Jovic+ Warriors FRP for KD/Bear

Why does it take the mavericks out of the race? If anything, it might strengthen their case.

Most people here would agree that at full strength the Mavericks are a dark horse contender. With their current string of injuries they might plummet out of the play-in spot potentially landing a top 10 pick.

Assuming ownership is in win-now mode, and prioritizes keeping its core in tact over adding a rookie, this would allow the Mavericks to offer a higher pick thus not needing to include as many players they prefer not to part with in an offer (i.e. offer less player value due to the fact that they can offer more draft value now).

Dallas is in a position to gut less of its debt while adding KD should catapult them co-favorites to win the West next year IMO.

I agree. Now the offers made earlier by Mavs fans make sense if paired with a top 10th pick. Let's say maybe 4 overall. Plus the other stuff. That's doable. If Klay is included then the Lakers 29 first must be as well imo too btw.

I think the Suns are at risk of going broke if they get too demanding..KD expires in 2026 with several teams being able to make room to pay him...I think KD probably learned his lesson and doesn't want his next team to gut all of their depth to acquire him..as it takes away from their chances of winning.

[jayjaysee]

Nets get:
Klay Thompson
30th Overall (via Suns)
Lowest of '27 Jazz/Cavs/T'Wolves 1st (via Suns)

Suns get:
P.J. Washington
Daniel Gafford
Naji Marshall
13th Overall (via Mavs)

Mavericks get:
Kevin Durant

That's a lotto pick, a solid core around Booker and crazy savings.

So we give up 2 firsts and Durant all to get PJ Washington, Gafford and Naji?

Quite the savvy deal.

Yeah, I get that... I'm having trouble navigating the Klay portion

Really nice of you to respond to that post and not acknowledge the late lottery pick that was being ignored.

I don’t like the idea of playing to dump Klay for Phoenix, especially if it costs that much. And it does make it a meh return for Phoenix… Just keep him until you have a retool move that you need that salary slot for. There’s other fat on the roster to trim (Martin, Micic) to make sure you get under the second apron.. Or you can flip Naji or Grayson or Royce for something better than Klay’s return would be?

But the real point.. The two firsts they send out probably aren’t worth the first they get. And you know that. And yet you responded and didn’t ask the poster why he ignored it.

Nice of you.

[Slim Charless]

Why does it take the mavericks out of the race? If anything, it might strengthen their case.

Most people here would agree that at full strength the Mavericks are a dark horse contender. With their current string of injuries they might plummet out of the play-in spot potentially landing a top 10 pick.

Assuming ownership is in win-now mode, and prioritizes keeping its core in tact over adding a rookie, this would allow the Mavericks to offer a higher pick thus not needing to include as many players they prefer not to part with in an offer (i.e. offer less player value due to the fact that they can offer more draft value now).

Dallas is in a position to gut less of its debt while adding KD should catapult them co-favorites to win the West next year IMO.

I agree. Now the offers made earlier by Mavs fans make sense if paired with a top 10th pick. Let's say maybe 4 overall. Plus the other stuff. That's doable. If Klay is included then the Lakers 29 first must be as well imo too btw.

I think the Suns are at risk of going broke if they get too demanding..KD expires in 2026 with several teams being able to make room to pay him...I think KD probably learned his lesson and doesn't want his next team to gut all of their depth to acquire him..as it takes away from their chances of winning.

I don't think that you guys had competitive offers to begin with. Other teams will offer more stuff and KD's price was already set by GS. Every other team can offer better stuff than the Mavs. All of Miami, OKC, SAS, MEM and maybe even Minnesota.

Dallas's front office I bet are very desperate come next year to fix this situation they created for themselves. Personally, I still think Lively should be in the deal.

[wemby]

Spurs won't be in the Durant sweepstakes for sure, unless we're talking about the Suns practically giving him away. These rumours never bother checking track record, it cracks me up when I read BS of this caliber.

[DrModesty]

I will be pretty stunned if OKC go after Durant for a number of reasons.

First, Durant does not play a style that fits well with OKC.

He plays at a slower pace than OKC would like to play. He also doesn't move the ball very quickly because he is so confident that he can generate his own good shots. But OKC's offense is structured around SGA iso paired with fast passing to churn teams in to rotation. It would make OKC lean even more in to the mid range game which they already do a lot of between SGA and J-Dub. He would also significantly weaken the Thunders defense, given the minutes he plays will be at the expense of better defenders, while also having to trade away better defenders to get him in the first place.

Second, they would have to give up players they actually really like to match salaries.

We saw last year how desperately OKC needed a legitimate inside presence on the boards. Hartenstein gave them that while also giving them a screen setting dimension the team lacked, and playmaking that is frankly better than Durant's. Presti has been on record saying that he wants OKC to get even stronger with playmaking.
Dort has been mentioned as possible matching salary. That isn't happening. He is viewed as one of the very few answers in the league for a guy you can just put on an opposing star and have real impact. He has played 3 playoff series in his life. First time as a rookie he made a name for himself on Harden. Second playoff series he did damage to Brandon Ingrams reputation. Third playoff series, he held Luka to his worst series ever (who then went on to dominate a vaunted Timberwolves defense).
Wiggins and Joe are on very long term, very cheap contracts. These are critical contracts/players for the team once J-Dub and Chet are getting paid. OKC value them very highly, and more than makes sense for other teams.
I also don't think they want to give up Topic without getting a good look at him. He theoretically fits the specific playmaker that Presti wants on the team, and they spent a lottery pick on him. He isn't an untouchable player obviously, but I doubt he would be sent out in a trade along with other critical players for a rental.

And here is another list of reasons why I don't think it will happen.

- He is 37 years old next season
- Half the fan base hates him
- He is only has one season on his contract
- He wouldn't be brought back due to OKC's impending financial state
- Presti has constantly taken an extremely long term and patient view of this team
- He is injury prone
- Hurts the depth of the team
- Makes the team weaker beyond the 2025/26 season
- OKC hopes to use its future picks to keep the team stocked with talented depth as the core ages
- Trading for Durant in his 30s has worked out disastrously for both the Nets and Suns
- His impact metrics have clearly fallen backwards as he approaches his mid 30s indicating he is actively in decline (when will he hit a cliff?)
- His teams have had bad chemistry going all the way back to his time on the Warriors, while OKC has fantastic chemistry with it being a focus of the front office

[Slim Charless]

How about Suns pick '25 (top 5 protected), Suns pick '27 (top 3 protected)and Jaylen Green, and maybe a filler salary

While Suns add two 2nd rounders in 2026 and 2027 with KD

We really just aren't interested in Durant, unless its dirt cheap.

If you want the picks back, find a third team who has someone good and young to add to our core.

Bookmarking this.

I think you're the number 1 team for him and you got our picks for him. You confidence in this will play well if proven correct.

......and we're back!

Close series and hard fought....but short.

A change is needed. On that, I am sure you agree. How are you feeling about his value now? I think, and maybe I'm wrong.....Jalen Green did not have a very good series. Will still take him, with Jabari and Whitmore along with all of our picks back. You can sub in Reed for Whitmore if you want. with Jalen gone, you will need a SG.

Seems fair. Durant will be a great fit so do not worry my bro.

[LarsV8]

We really just aren't interested in Durant, unless its dirt cheap.

If you want the picks back, find a third team who has someone good and young to add to our core.

Bookmarking this.

I think you're the number 1 team for him and you got our picks for him. You confidence in this will play well if proven correct.

......and we're back!

Close series and hard fought....but short.

A change is needed. On that, I am sure you agree. How are you feeling about his value now? I think, and maybe I'm wrong.....Jalen Green did not have a very good series. Will still take him, with Jabari and Whitmore along with all of our picks back. You can sub in Reed for Whitmore if you want. with Jalen gone, you will need a SG.

Seems fair. Durant will be a great fit so do not worry my bro.

It's going to be a long few years for you my friend.

[MoneyTalks41890]

Jalen Green, Dillon Brooks, 9 for KD

[cpower]

Jalen Green, Dillon Brooks, 9 for KD

nobody is touching Jalen Green's contract though. They need to send more

[GoBobs]

Jalen Green, Dillon Brooks, 9 for KD

nobody is touching Jalen Green's contract though. They need to send more

As a Hornets fan I would much rather have Jalen Green than Durrant.

Green is 22, hungry, with his best basketball ahead of him. Durrant is 36, not hungry, and his best basketball is behind him.

[GoBobs]

Jalen Green, Dillon Brooks, 9 for KD

nobody is touching Jalen Green's contract though. They need to send more

I would give up expiring contracts and a heavily protected first to get Green on the Hornets.

[K_chile22]

Jalen Green, Dillon Brooks, 9 for KD

This was also my offer. Think some bad team would do Green for filler salary and take a chance on him if PHX wants off, or could use him as tradable salary with 9 for something

[Slim Charless]

Bookmarking this.

I think you're the number 1 team for him and you got our picks for him. You confidence in this will play well if proven correct.

......and we're back!

Close series and hard fought....but short.

A change is needed. On that, I am sure you agree. How are you feeling about his value now? I think, and maybe I'm wrong.....Jalen Green did not have a very good series. Will still take him, with Jabari and Whitmore along with all of our picks back. You can sub in Reed for Whitmore if you want. with Jalen gone, you will need a SG.

Seems fair. Durant will be a great fit so do not worry my bro.

It's going to be a long few years for you my friend.

Naasa. We're getting our picks back. Couple of young guys too.

Suns are looking fine.

[jayjaysee]

Dallas isn’t a fully bad team.. but pretty bad?

Gafford, Klay, Powell for Green?

Eh

But a bunch of kids going 7 games with 3 HOF’ers is probably a happier ending to a season than 2 HOF’ers (if Booker can be that guy) not being able to keep the 8-man Mavericks out of the play-in..

As a Dallas fan, I really wish Phoenix could have been a bit better to end the season.

[cpower]

Jalen Green, Dillon Brooks, 9 for KD

nobody is touching Jalen Green's contract though. They need to send more

As a Hornets fan I would much rather have Jalen Green than Durrant.

Green is 22, hungry, with his best basketball ahead of him. Durrant is 36, not hungry, and his best basketball is behind him.

thats why you are not a GM. WIth 2nd apron and everything, getting someone who is paid at his level is important, you just cant gamble become someone has a lot of potential. Green is also in his 4th year and still cannot shoot nor defend..thats a lot of red flags.