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Lala870 wrote:flow wrote:Lala870 wrote:
Ermmm what exactly do you mean here?
1. The Paul George trade killed the franchise.
2. The trade happened only because Kawhi demanded it (acquiring Paul George) as a condition of his signing with LAC.
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In that case what would the ideal roster/franchise situation looked like without the PG trade?
Marvin Martian wrote:Dan Z wrote:Marvin Martian wrote:IMO Kawhi is to blame for the series loss. There was only 2 games separating LAC and HOU and Kawhi, the part time player, played in only 37 games.
If he played 60+, LAC would easily be 2nd seed and avoid playing DEN
That being said, it's time to blow it up. They cannot get any better at this point
They don't own control of their own picks until after 2029.
Also, what kind of value do Kawhi and Harden have?
Why do people bring up picks when it comes to the viability of rebuilding? This is a sunk cost fallacy.
How does LAC plan to compete in the next 2 years with Harden and Kawhi being on the wrong side of 30? They are going downhill, and it is better to rip the band-aid off, trade their 2 stars, and get whatever they can
Marvin Martian wrote:Dan Z wrote:Marvin Martian wrote:IMO Kawhi is to blame for the series loss. There was only 2 games separating LAC and HOU and Kawhi, the part time player, played in only 37 games.
If he played 60+, LAC would easily be 2nd seed and avoid playing DEN
That being said, it's time to blow it up. They cannot get any better at this point
They don't own control of their own picks until after 2029.
Also, what kind of value do Kawhi and Harden have?
Why do people bring up picks when it comes to the viability of rebuilding? This is a sunk cost fallacy.
How does LAC plan to compete in the next 2 years with Harden and Kawhi being on the wrong side of 30? They are going downhill, and it is better to rip the band-aid off, trade their 2 stars, and get whatever they can
Biff Cooper wrote:Marvin Martian wrote:Dan Z wrote:
They don't own control of their own picks until after 2029.
Also, what kind of value do Kawhi and Harden have?
Why do people bring up picks when it comes to the viability of rebuilding? This is a sunk cost fallacy.
How does LAC plan to compete in the next 2 years with Harden and Kawhi being on the wrong side of 30? They are going downhill, and it is better to rip the band-aid off, trade their 2 stars, and get whatever they can
People bring up picks because if you trade Kawhi and Harden, you are almost certainly going to have a worse record than this year, and the biggest reward of having a worse record is better draft picks. I personally think LAC shouldn't make any major moves for a year or two - just a few tweaks here and there to try and get a little deeper and better, and hope that Kawhi can be healthy from here on out.
flow wrote:Lala870 wrote:flow wrote:
In which season?
From 2019 onwards after LA got PG.
The funny thing is PG was supposed to be the hottest trade target in recent memory and Laker fans were willing to mortgage the future to get him. I remember the edits and how many Lakers fans were desperate to get him.
Clippers sign him and all of a sudden hes overrated, not worth it etc
People seem to have forgotten that the season before signing Kawhi, the Clippers became a hard-nosed team on the rise with great chemistry. Think Pistons this year.
Montrez Harrell, Lou Williams, Pat Bev developed a nucleus. Galinari, Zubac, Shamet, JaMichael Green, and a rookie named SGA, rounded it out. They played hard and increasingly well together as the season went on. Took two games off GSW in round one, which was a testament to how well they were playing. Simply dropping Kawhi in the middle of that would have been incredible. The chemistry would have remained intact. They just would have been a lot better.
Bringing in Paul George on top of it, though, changed the structure and dynamic of the team. PG is a chemistry-killer and a poor team player. Always has been. It was a different team now. And of course, a team without SGA. And without other depth. And without all the draft picks they would have used to make that would-be, non-PG, incredible situation even better as the years went on.
TravisScott55 wrote:Kawhi leaving a championship team was the stupidest decision a player has ever made.
dc wrote:TravisScott55 wrote:Kawhi leaving a championship team was the stupidest decision a player has ever made.
No, it was demanding they trade for a ready made all-star to put next to him. Imagine how good a situation they'd be in now had he agreed to sign with the Clips as they were built and they kept SGA.
But I could understand his position. He had a sense or urgency in him to win now at age 28. Deep down inside he probably didn't trust his own body that he could wait 2-3 more years for the Clips to build around him with a younger core.
Tomhomes33 wrote:
OPTION 2 - Harden options out.
Immediate rebuild. Trade Kawhy and Powell for FRPs and 1-2 young prospects and hope to get top 3 draft pick in 2027.
MoreyWins wrote:They need to tear it down, but they don't have control of their 1st next year. The logical thing might be to run it back one more year just so you're not gifting OKC another lottery talent. If the Clippers could load up on one year deals of decent players, that might be ideal. It doesn't matter if they fit as a championship contender, just be good enough to win 45 or so games. That way they can go into next summer with an empty book and a chance to start a new era.
Lala870 wrote:dc wrote:TravisScott55 wrote:Kawhi leaving a championship team was the stupidest decision a player has ever made.
No, it was demanding they trade for a ready made all-star to put next to him. Imagine how good a situation they'd be in now had he agreed to sign with the Clips as they were built and they kept SGA.
But I could understand his position. He had a sense or urgency in him to win now at age 28. Deep down inside he probably didn't trust his own body that he could wait 2-3 more years for the Clips to build around him with a younger core.
This is recency bias in action.
People forget that Paul George and Lebron were like 1A and 1B at that time
Laker fans wanted PG more desperately than ANY other player I can ever recall in recent history. Now that SGA is on a perfectly drafted team with Chet Holmgren, its easy to sit and cherry pick the Clippers moves at that point also ignoring how the playoffs were transpiring at that time PG was on LA.
Cant forget PHX has literally dismantled arguably the best team in the western conference that could have kept OKC further in check for the near future.
Lala870 wrote:dc wrote:TravisScott55 wrote:Kawhi leaving a championship team was the stupidest decision a player has ever made.
No, it was demanding they trade for a ready made all-star to put next to him. Imagine how good a situation they'd be in now had he agreed to sign with the Clips as they were built and they kept SGA.
But I could understand his position. He had a sense or urgency in him to win now at age 28. Deep down inside he probably didn't trust his own body that he could wait 2-3 more years for the Clips to build around him with a younger core.
This is recency bias in action.
People forget that Paul George and Lebron were like 1A and 1B at that time
Laker fans wanted PG more desperately than ANY other player I can ever recall in recent history. Now that SGA is on a perfectly drafted team with Chet Holmgren, its easy to sit and cherry pick the Clippers moves at that point also ignoring how the playoffs were transpiring at that time PG was on LA.
Cant forget PHX has literally dismantled arguably the best team in the western conference that could have kept OKC further in check for the near future.
