NBA Trade Thread #12

[2weekswithpay]

Trade Coby for draft assets. I don't see the long-term benefit in building this team with him as a core member.

A downgrade like Jalen Green is fine if Houston gives draft assets, or trade Coby for picks and expiring contract

Jaden Ivey, Sharpe, and Mathurin are fine replacements if they don't sign extensions. Sexton and Powell work as well.

[GuardianEnzo]

Houston, Detroit, Memphis - there are a lot of teams with assets who need flat-out scoring to take the next step. Maybe somebody would overpay for Coby.

[Muzbar]

Trade Coby for draft assets. I don't see the long-term benefit in building this team with him as a core member.

A downgrade like Jalen Green is fine if Houston gives draft assets, or trade Coby for picks and expiring contract

Jaden Ivey, Sharpe, and Mathurin are fine replacements if they don't sign extensions. Sexton and Powell work as well.

I'd love to pick-up Mathurin, he needs a change of scenery, IMO.

[sco]

Question: most people don't want Coby to be our starting SG. Outside of draft prospects who have never played, who in the NBA should we target for SG? Looking at a quick list, seems pretty close, top 10 next year:

Devin Booker
Anthony Edwards
Jaylen Brown
Donovan Mitchell
Jalen Williams
Bradley Beal
Mikal Bridges
Desmond Bane
Devin Vassell
Tyler Herro

Then you have guys like Bogdan Bogdanovic, Zach Lavine and Jalen Green. Most of those guys are ungettable or the cost to acquire would be way too high. The two I think it would be worth at least exploring a trade based around Coby are Desmond Bane and Devin Vassell. Don't want to argue likelihood of trade success, they're non All-Stars at this point, you miss every shot you don't take, lol. Those are the two I'd target.

Memphis is at a crossroads and has JJJ due an extension. He would offer some of that defensive stuff we talk about.

If we're going all in...I'd rather actually fill a need. it would be a score, his salary is easier to match.

Oh, I agree. I'm perfectly fine with keeping Coby until/unless a better SG comes along. He and giddey play well together, cheap next year and if he's worth paying market value in 2026, pay market value. I was just wondering who the upgrades people were considering as Coby replacements/upgrades. Most Coby trades leave Huerter as a stop gap, just wondering who guys were actually looking for to play SG, realistically. Unless one of the top 3 guys is available when we pick, I'd just draft Maluach if he's there and call it a day. Hopefully have center locked down for years and look around the league for that defensive SF/PF to fill the final spot like you suggest. Trade one (or two) of our centers in the offseason to bolster forward depth.

Don't know what a trade for JJJ would look like, but if we could do it without giving up 2025 draft pick, Coby, Giddey, or Matas, we could be looking at: Giddey, White, Matas, JJJ, Maluach with good depth still on the bench. Don't know if you were looking at JJJ at center, but he plays much better at PF, I think. Paint defense and help defense could be elite. Scoring and 3PA should be pretty damn good between Giddey, White, Matas, and JJJ.

I'm with you. Keeping Coby through the season to either demonstrate elevated play or reversion to the mean and pay him accordingly is a good plan. That said, even "elevated Coby" is a problematic defender. I doubt the FO will shop him in the offseason, but if we can sell high on him in the offseason, I wouldn't be mad. If we did, I still wouldn't focus on this draft as the place to find Coby's replacement...BPA PLEASE. I'd ride with Huerter/Ball/Ayo this season and see what happens.

I don't think MEM will trade JJJ, but I'd be on board with giving up a big package excluding Giddey/Matas.

[sco]

Just saw from WT that ORL may be interested in Simons, which is a similar player to Coby.

[jnrjr79]

Portis has a player option, $13 mill he could very well decline, especially if Giannis wants out and they pivot to rebuild. Thoughts on Portis, say $12-15 mill AAV if we could swing S&T for Collins or Vucevic? We might be able to sign him into an exception or straight out, but wouldn't want to do it without a deal for Collins or Vucevic already in place. Portis is only 29, good shooter, hustles on defense and brings a toughness the Bulls sorely lack.

Think he'd be good on the team in that sixth man/replacement starter high-energy vet enforcer role. Why the Bucks would do it: they get an expiring, reasonably productive expiring replacement for a guy who could leave for nothing.

I don't really have any interest in a non-defensively oriented 4 on a long-term deal when the Bulls are positioning themselves to have a good bit of cap room in 2026 with their existing expiring deals.

If the Bulls target a bit in FA, I'd prefer it be a defensively-inclined 5. I wonder what the market for Steven Adams will be.

[othawhitemeat]

Trade Coby for draft assets. I don't see the long-term benefit in building this team with him as a core member.

A downgrade like Jalen Green is fine if Houston gives draft assets, or trade Coby for picks and expiring contract

Jaden Ivey, Sharpe, and Mathurin are fine replacements if they don't sign extensions. Sexton and Powell work as well.

Definitely would take Ivey as feel it would benefit both teams. Detroit gets the floor spacer that can have big games and is usually healthy in Coby and the Bulls get a slasher/athleticism in Ivey that has some 3 point range. Maybe, they can throw in the Raptors 2nd round pick since it # 37.

[Infinity2152]

Thanks fellas, was looking for names. Doesn't seem like people want to trade Coby to seriously upgrade the position. Of the names mentioned:

Jalen Green and Jaden Ivey I'd say are roughly even with Coby, would cost as much/more than Coby, and we're receiving no assets in a Coby trade. We're probably adding assets, imo. Green makes $33 mill next year. Ivey is expiring too. Green's a little better than White and Ivey, imo, but not much.

Mathurin would be great, don't think the Pacers let him go, particularly for Coby. They're doing great with 6'5 Nembhard and 6'5 Aaron Nesmith at SG. Plus Nembhard goes up to $18 mill this season. Siakam and Haliburton make $90 mill together and if/when they re-sign Turner they're in the tax when they fill the roster. Mathurin only has one year left before he has to be paid too, so you're looking at potentially giving him a big contract 2026.

Sexton and Powell could work. Sexton's a 6'3 PG masquerading as a SG and needs a new contract too in 2026. He makes $19 mill next season, so we probably have to add $7 mill worth of contracts.

Powell is 6'3, will be 32, make $20 mill and is also expiring. Need to add an $8 mill player.

Not really seeing any of these guys as for sure upgrades. Most of them won't be much better from a money perspective either. Almost all those guys expire the same time as Coby. If they're as good/better than Coby, contracts could be comparable.

[sco]

Thanks fellas, was looking for names. Doesn't seem like people want to trade Coby to seriously upgrade the position. Of the names mentioned:

Jalen Green and Jaden Ivey I'd say are roughly even with Coby, would cost as much/more than Coby, and we're receiving no assets in a Coby trade. We're probably adding assets, imo. Green makes $33 mill next year. Ivey is expiring too.

Mathurin would be great, don't think the Pacers let him go, particularly for Coby. They're doing great with 6'5 Nembhard and 6'5 Aaron Nesmith at SG. Plus Nembhard goes up to $18 mill this season. Siakam and Haliburton make $90 mill together and if/when they re-sign Turner they're in the tax when they fill the roster. Mathurin only has one year left before he has to be paid too, so you're looking at potentially giving him a big contract 2026.

Sexton and Powell could work. Sexton's a 6'3 PG masquerading as a SG and needs a new contract too in 2026. He makes $19 mill next season, so we probably have to add $7 mill worth of contracts.

Powell is 6'3, will be 32, make $20 mill and is also expiring. Need to add an $8 mill player.

Not really seeing any of these guys as for sure upgrades. Most of them won't be much better from a money perspective either. Almost all those guys expire the same time as Coby. If they're as good/better than Coby, contracts could be comparable.

I think you are right in that there aren't any likely to be available SG's who we could directly or indirectly acquire via trade for Coby. Which is why I'm ok seeing how he does this season (barring someone offering "sell high" value in the offseason). I will say that the Coby situation is a good example of the challenge that Giddey creates. If Giddey were a 25PPG scorer or a plus defender, I'd feel more comfortable keeping a scoring-only poor-defending SG.

[Chi town]

Trade Coby for draft assets. I don't see the long-term benefit in building this team with him as a core member.

A downgrade like Jalen Green is fine if Houston gives draft assets, or trade Coby for picks and expiring contract

Jaden Ivey, Sharpe, and Mathurin are fine replacements if they don't sign extensions. Sexton and Powell work as well.

Definitely would take Ivey as feel it would benefit both teams. Detroit gets the floor spacer that can have big games and is usually healthy in Coby and the Bulls get a slasher/athleticism in Ivey that has some 3 point range. Maybe, they can throw in the Raptors 2nd round pick since it # 37.

No way AK or DET trade in same division.

Both players are better fits on the opposing teams as you have stated.

I think Ivey is going to breakout big time next season and DET is going to be a darkhorse contender.

[Chi town]

Memphis is at a crossroads and has JJJ due an extension. He would offer some of that defensive stuff we talk about.

If we're going all in...I'd rather actually fill a need. it would be a score, his salary is easier to match.

Oh, I agree. I'm perfectly fine with keeping Coby until/unless a better SG comes along. He and giddey play well together, cheap next year and if he's worth paying market value in 2026, pay market value. I was just wondering who the upgrades people were considering as Coby replacements/upgrades. Most Coby trades leave Huerter as a stop gap, just wondering who guys were actually looking for to play SG, realistically. Unless one of the top 3 guys is available when we pick, I'd just draft Maluach if he's there and call it a day. Hopefully have center locked down for years and look around the league for that defensive SF/PF to fill the final spot like you suggest. Trade one (or two) of our centers in the offseason to bolster forward depth.

Don't know what a trade for JJJ would look like, but if we could do it without giving up 2025 draft pick, Coby, Giddey, or Matas, we could be looking at: Giddey, White, Matas, JJJ, Maluach with good depth still on the bench. Don't know if you were looking at JJJ at center, but he plays much better at PF, I think. Paint defense and help defense could be elite. Scoring and 3PA should be pretty damn good between Giddey, White, Matas, and JJJ.

I'm with you. Keeping Coby through the season to either demonstrate elevated play or reversion to the mean and pay him accordingly is a good plan. That said, even "elevated Coby" is a problematic defender. I doubt the FO will shop him in the offseason, but if we can sell high on him in the offseason, I wouldn't be mad. If we did, I still wouldn't focus on this draft as the place to find Coby's replacement...BPA PLEASE. I'd ride with Huerter/Ball/Ayo this season and see what happens.

I don't think MEM will trade JJJ, but I'd be on board with giving up a big package excluding Giddey/Matas.

Unless Coby gets a crazy overpay AK will be resigning him and he will stay.

I think a good defensive C would go a long ways in helping Coby and Giddey up their defense.

[Chi town]

Trade Coby for draft assets. I don't see the long-term benefit in building this team with him as a core member.

A downgrade like Jalen Green is fine if Houston gives draft assets, or trade Coby for picks and expiring contract

Jaden Ivey, Sharpe, and Mathurin are fine replacements if they don't sign extensions. Sexton and Powell work as well.

I will keep saying draft Tre if he falls. Trade up. He’d be great Coby insurance.

I think a #9 Rockets pick and Cam Whitmore is a trade I’d take for Coby. Cam is a bucket and is blocked in HOU.

Don’t think AK will be trading Coby. He wants to win not build a winner.

[Infinity2152]

Thanks fellas, was looking for names. Doesn't seem like people want to trade Coby to seriously upgrade the position. Of the names mentioned:

Jalen Green and Jaden Ivey I'd say are roughly even with Coby, would cost as much/more than Coby, and we're receiving no assets in a Coby trade. We're probably adding assets, imo. Green makes $33 mill next year. Ivey is expiring too.

Mathurin would be great, don't think the Pacers let him go, particularly for Coby. They're doing great with 6'5 Nembhard and 6'5 Aaron Nesmith at SG. Plus Nembhard goes up to $18 mill this season. Siakam and Haliburton make $90 mill together and if/when they re-sign Turner they're in the tax when they fill the roster. Mathurin only has one year left before he has to be paid too, so you're looking at potentially giving him a big contract 2026.

Sexton and Powell could work. Sexton's a 6'3 PG masquerading as a SG and needs a new contract too in 2026. He makes $19 mill next season, so we probably have to add $7 mill worth of contracts.

Powell is 6'3, will be 32, make $20 mill and is also expiring. Need to add an $8 mill player.

Not really seeing any of these guys as for sure upgrades. Most of them won't be much better from a money perspective either. Almost all those guys expire the same time as Coby. If they're as good/better than Coby, contracts could be comparable.

I think you are right in that there aren't any likely to be available SG's who we could directly or indirectly acquire via trade for Coby. Which is why I'm ok seeing how he does this season (barring someone offering "sell high" value in the offseason). I will say that the Coby situation is a good example of the challenge that Giddey creates. If Giddey were a 25PPG scorer or a plus defender, I'd feel more comfortable keeping a scoring-only poor-defending SG.

I think Giddey probably is a 20+ scorer, 25+ is a stretch. Giddey, Coby, Matas should give you a good amount of scoring, even before we look for a star. We move Coby, we need to replace him with a 20pt scorer. Giddey, Matas, defensive SG, the scoring average is much lower, Coby's probably getting his 20+ more consistently than Giddey or Matas.

Would be great to have all two-way players, but odds are most team will only have 2-3 great two way players starting. Matas hopefully gives us 1. Giddey's spot is taken, so three spots left at center, PF, SG. Think we all think center needs to be 1. So Matas, center, two good defenders. SG and PF/SF left. If we can get a good/great defender at PF/SF that gives us three good/great defensive starters. That player doesn't HAVE to be a good/great scorer because we have Coby to pick that up. If that person is a great two way (think Jimmy Butler, Kawhi, Jaylen Brown) think or defense could be fine. They can guard the best guard and Giddey guards the worst forward. Coby guards the worst guard. Great two way PG could work too, if that PG can play off-ball.

Sample lineups:
Healthy Ball, White, Giddey, Matas, Bam Adebayo.
Giddey, White, Jimmy Butler, Matas, Myles Turner.
Giddey, White, Kawhi Leonard, Matas, JJJ.
Giddey, White, Matas, Giannis, Jarrett Allen.

Not saying we can get those exact players. Examples of player types that could work. But with three great defenders, we can manufacture a great defense, I think. Of course Coby's not the ideal SG and his pairing with Giddey is problematic. Giddey can play point from SF or PF, so we can get a great defensive three point shooting PG and let Giddey guard forwards on defense, so no two bad guard defenders. Giddey looks like he's trending towards average, especially if he guards bigger slower forwards instead of point guards.

[othawhitemeat]

Trade Coby for draft assets. I don't see the long-term benefit in building this team with him as a core member.

A downgrade like Jalen Green is fine if Houston gives draft assets, or trade Coby for picks and expiring contract

Jaden Ivey, Sharpe, and Mathurin are fine replacements if they don't sign extensions. Sexton and Powell work as well.

I will keep saying draft Tre if he falls. Trade up. He’d be great Coby insurance.

I think a #9 Rockets pick and Cam Whitmore is a trade I’d take for Coby. Cam is a bucket and is blocked in HOU.

Don’t think AK will be trading Coby. He wants to win not build a winner.

Would do the #9 pick and Whitmore too.

[Chi town]

+1 Infinity… too big to quote.

Vuc being replaced with defense and less offense will change our team quite a bit. More steals blocks dunks and pace. Less offense when we need a bucket. There will be times when we really struggle to score. Outside our core 3 none of our guys can get their own shot or a bucket.

Considering AK wants to win right away it makes sense if he would replace Vuc’s scoring somewhere else.

[2weekswithpay]

I'm not looking to trade Coby for an upgrade. I want to increase our assets and look at younger players or cost effective options. Players that would be upgrades over Coby are either unattainable or wouldn't move the needle enough.

[jnrjr79]

I'm not looking to trade Coby for an upgrade. I want to increase our assets and look at younger players or cost effective options. Players that would be upgrades over Coby are either unattainable or wouldn't move the needle enough.

Trading Coby for an upgrade (absent including other significant assets) isn't really possible anyway. Nobody is going to give you somebody better than Coby for a year of control of Coby before he becomes a UFA.

Start including some picks with him, then sure, maybe something could be done.

[sco]

On a related note, if we're sticking with Coby, I would like AK to look to trade Ball and/or Ayo (if we can keep Jones who I think is the best of the 3).

[2weekswithpay]

I doubt that AK will trade Ayo or Lonzo. With Ayo's shoulder issues, there's a good chance Tre was brought in to help us make the play-in. Can't imagine AK selling high and trading role players for future assets.

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[sco]

I doubt that AK will trade Ayo or Lonzo. With Ayo's shoulder issues, there's a good chance Tre was brought in to help us make the play-in. Can't imagine AK selling high and trading role players for future assets.

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Honestly, before the deadline and our getting Tre, I would have resisted trading Ball for a non-lotto 1st. I love the guy and was happy we brought him back. But that was then...Tre turned out to be a super pleasant surprise that seemed to encapsulate Ball's defense and Ayo's transition offense into a single player. Right now, I'd love to have #20 and Jones instead of Ball.