KD = Which 2025 1st?

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What '25 1st is KD worth?

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Re: KD = Which 2025 1st? 

Post#161 » by LarsV8 » Mon May 5, 2025 2:20 pm

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cpower wrote:nobody is touching Jalen Green's contract though. They need to send more


As a Hornets fan I would much rather have Jalen Green than Durrant.

Green is 22, hungry, with his best basketball ahead of him. Durrant is 36, not hungry, and his best basketball is behind him.

thats why you are not a GM. WIth 2nd apron and everything, getting someone who is paid at his level is important, you just cant gamble become someone has a lot of potential. Green is also in his 4th year and still cannot shoot nor defend..thats a lot of red flags.


Green is an excellent defender and his shooting is average.

He has other issues though.
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Re: KD = Which 2025 1st? 

Post#162 » by GoBobs » Mon May 5, 2025 2:48 pm

cpower wrote:
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cpower wrote:nobody is touching Jalen Green's contract though. They need to send more


As a Hornets fan I would much rather have Jalen Green than Durrant.

Green is 22, hungry, with his best basketball ahead of him. Durrant is 36, not hungry, and his best basketball is behind him.

thats why you are not a GM. WIth 2nd apron and everything, getting someone who is paid at his level is important, you just cant gamble become someone has a lot of potential. Green is also in his 4th year and still cannot shoot nor defend..thats a lot of red flags.


His salary wouldn't be an issure for the Hornets or many other teams. 35 million for three more years is not a huge issure unless you already have 2 guys on a big deal.
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Re: KD = Which 2025 1st? 

Post#163 » by cpower » Mon May 5, 2025 2:56 pm

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cpower wrote:
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As a Hornets fan I would much rather have Jalen Green than Durrant.

Green is 22, hungry, with his best basketball ahead of him. Durrant is 36, not hungry, and his best basketball is behind him.

thats why you are not a GM. WIth 2nd apron and everything, getting someone who is paid at his level is important, you just cant gamble become someone has a lot of potential. Green is also in his 4th year and still cannot shoot nor defend..thats a lot of red flags.


His salary wouldn't be an issure for the Hornets or many other teams. 35 million for three more years is not a huge issure unless you already have 2 guys on a big deal.

its an opportunity cost thing, you can either go with Green or another young player.. you probably can only take 1 or 2 gamble for the next 3 years.
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Re: KD = Which 2025 1st? 

Post#164 » by Slim Charless » Mon May 5, 2025 3:36 pm

LarsV8 wrote:
cpower wrote:
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As a Hornets fan I would much rather have Jalen Green than Durrant.

Green is 22, hungry, with his best basketball ahead of him. Durrant is 36, not hungry, and his best basketball is behind him.

thats why you are not a GM. WIth 2nd apron and everything, getting someone who is paid at his level is important, you just cant gamble become someone has a lot of potential. Green is also in his 4th year and still cannot shoot nor defend..thats a lot of red flags.


Green is an excellent defender and his shooting is average.

He has other issues though.


"Excellent"

So DPOTY Jalen Green is on the table then?

Those other issues involve exactly what I said and have been saying about him to you for MONTHS....he is a ball hog. That whole "passing the ball to my teammates" thing isn't his thing. He's a chucker and a inefficient one, at that.
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Re: KD = Which 2025 1st? 

Post#165 » by K_chile22 » Mon May 5, 2025 3:47 pm

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MoneyTalks41890 wrote:Jalen Green, Dillon Brooks, 9 for KD
This was also my offer. Think some bad team would do Green for filler salary and take a chance on him if PHX wants off, or could use him as tradable salary with 9 for something
Expanding on this combined with other feedback/ideas I've gotten around here

Jalen, Dillon, 9 for KD

Dillon, John Collins, 9 to Phoenix

Jalen for John Collins
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Re: KD = Which 2025 1st? 

Post#166 » by Slim Charless » Mon May 5, 2025 4:26 pm

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MoneyTalks41890 wrote:Jalen Green, Dillon Brooks, 9 for KD
This was also my offer. Think some bad team would do Green for filler salary and take a chance on him if PHX wants off, or could use him as tradable salary with 9 for something
Expanding on this combined with other feedback/ideas I've gotten around here

Jalen, Dillon, 9 for KD

Dillon, John Collins, 9 to Phoenix

Jalen for John Collins


We'll be getting all of our picks picks back in such a deal. Every single one. Plus Reed and/or Whitmore
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Re: KD = Which 2025 1st? 

Post#167 » by K_chile22 » Mon May 5, 2025 4:29 pm

Slim Charless wrote:
K_chile22 wrote:
K_chile22 wrote:This was also my offer. Think some bad team would do Green for filler salary and take a chance on him if PHX wants off, or could use him as tradable salary with 9 for something
Expanding on this combined with other feedback/ideas I've gotten around here

Jalen, Dillon, 9 for KD

Dillon, John Collins, 9 to Phoenix

Jalen for John Collins


We'll be getting all of our picks picks back in such a deal. Every single one. Plus Reed and/or Whitmore
Lol well alrighty then y'all can go talk to other teams then bc that's not remotely on the table for KD
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Re: KD = Which 2025 1st? 

Post#168 » by Texas Chuck » Mon May 5, 2025 4:29 pm

Slim Charless wrote:So DPOTY Jalen Green is on the table then?


Not what was posted. You can push back against his defense or any other part of his game, but let's not be reductive or create strawmen. Debate what the actual argument please.
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Re: KD = Which 2025 1st? 

Post#169 » by Slim Charless » Mon May 5, 2025 4:36 pm

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Slim Charless wrote:So DPOTY Jalen Green is on the table then?


Not what was posted. You can push back against his defense or any other part of his game, but let's not be reductive or create strawmen. Debate what the actual argument please.


He said excellent.

It's not within the viewpoint to ask if DPOTY is on the table?
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Re: KD = Which 2025 1st? 

Post#170 » by Slim Charless » Mon May 5, 2025 4:37 pm

K_chile22 wrote:
Slim Charless wrote:
K_chile22 wrote:Expanding on this combined with other feedback/ideas I've gotten around here

Jalen, Dillon, 9 for KD

Dillon, John Collins, 9 to Phoenix

Jalen for John Collins


We'll be getting all of our picks picks back in such a deal. Every single one. Plus Reed and/or Whitmore
Lol well alrighty then y'all can go talk to other teams then bc that's not remotely on the table for KD


That's still MUCH less than what Giannis will cost you...and that's if he wants to go to Houston. We know that KD does apparently
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Re: KD = Which 2025 1st? 

Post#171 » by K_chile22 » Mon May 5, 2025 4:39 pm

Slim Charless wrote:
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We'll be getting all of our picks picks back in such a deal. Every single one. Plus Reed and/or Whitmore
Lol well alrighty then y'all can go talk to other teams then bc that's not remotely on the table for KD


That's still MUCH less than what Giannis will cost you...and that's if he wants to go to Houston. We know that KD does apparently

i don't see how that's relevant at all, Giannis' trade value is multiple orders of magnitude more. Shouldn't overpay for one option just bc its much cheaper than another option's air price, thats not how this works. would easily rather add Sengun and the mavs pick and get giannis then pay that much for KD
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Re: KD = Which 2025 1st? 

Post#172 » by Texas Chuck » Mon May 5, 2025 4:46 pm

Slim Charless wrote:
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Slim Charless wrote:So DPOTY Jalen Green is on the table then?


Not what was posted. You can push back against his defense or any other part of his game, but let's not be reductive or create strawmen. Debate what the actual argument please.


He said excellent.

It's not within the viewpoint to ask if DPOTY is on the table?


Not what you did and you know it. There is a big gap between being a good defender and being the DPOY. If you honestly wanted a more detailed perspective from him on Green's defense, ask.

Just pointless though making stuff up to attack.
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Re: KD = Which 2025 1st? 

Post#173 » by Slim Charless » Mon May 5, 2025 4:56 pm

Texas Chuck wrote:
Slim Charless wrote:
Texas Chuck wrote:
Not what was posted. You can push back against his defense or any other part of his game, but let's not be reductive or create strawmen. Debate what the actual argument please.


He said excellent.

It's not within the viewpoint to ask if DPOTY is on the table?


Not what you did and you know it. There is a big gap between being a good defender and being the DPOY. If you honestly wanted a more detailed perspective from him on Green's defense, ask.

Just pointless though making stuff up to attack.


He said "excellent" not "good" if he had said the latter, I would've ignored the comment.

I know you think I like to incite things, but I was not doing that. His comment was different and I took it to the next logical conclusion. Now if you are telling me that maybe I should started with 1st or 2nd team all defense then I can agree, I guess.

Calling Jalen Green an "excellent" defender is not something that most anyone would say. All defense teams and DPOTYs are reserved for excellent defenders.
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Re: KD = Which 2025 1st? 

Post#174 » by LarsV8 » Mon May 5, 2025 5:00 pm

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Re: KD = Which 2025 1st? 

Post#175 » by Slim Charless » Mon May 5, 2025 5:05 pm

K_chile22 wrote:
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K_chile22 wrote:Lol well alrighty then y'all can go talk to other teams then bc that's not remotely on the table for KD


That's still MUCH less than what Giannis will cost you...and that's if he wants to go to Houston. We know that KD does apparently

i don't see how that's relevant at all, Giannis' trade value is multiple orders of magnitude more. Shouldn't overpay for one option just bc its much cheaper than another option's air price, thats not how this works. would easily rather add Sengun and the mavs pick and get giannis then pay that much for KD


Try Sengun, Amen, Reed and all of our picks. Plus a couple of yours.

That's more likely what a Giannis trade will look like. MIL won't be giving him up for minor stuff. Durant can be had for much less than the above haul.
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Re: KD = Which 2025 1st? 

Post#176 » by eminence » Mon May 5, 2025 5:33 pm

Injury prone fringe allstar on a huge 1 year deal - if you have neutral matching salary (hard to do) I can see going up to mid-late lotto if you think you can contend next season. Any higher and you'd be better off looking elsewhere or just keeping the pick.

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Re: KD = Which 2025 1st? 

Post#177 » by Daddy 801 » Mon May 5, 2025 8:11 pm

If you take the average of what all the teams would pay I think you have to be in the 9-14 range. If there was a 6-9 option that would probably work as well. But only a desperate team or a very close to competing team is giving away a top 5 pick for Durant at this point in his career. And if you add in teams that literally wouldn’t give up a pick in the late teens (minus knowing you can flip him later) you will end up around 9-12 for him.

The Jazz for example….i wouldn’t give up an early twenties pick for him. The Jazz situation is they need to suck. Why bring in Durant? Again, with the caveat you could trade him later of course. But the teams willing to pay more now would just pay more now.
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Post#178 » by pipfan » Mon May 5, 2025 8:43 pm

KD to Hou
Jalen Green to Char
Bridges, Josh Green, #9, Suns' 2027 pick back to Ph

Hou needs to get KD-would be a great fit
Char roles the dice on Green (this is if they get #1 or #3, not Harper or VJ)
Suns get 2 rotation players, a #9 pick back and their 2027 pick back
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Re: KD = Which 2025 1st? 

Post#179 » by NYG » Tue May 6, 2025 2:52 am

Slim Charless wrote:
K_chile22 wrote:
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That's still MUCH less than what Giannis will cost you...and that's if he wants to go to Houston. We know that KD does apparently

i don't see how that's relevant at all, Giannis' trade value is multiple orders of magnitude more. Shouldn't overpay for one option just bc its much cheaper than another option's air price, thats not how this works. would easily rather add Sengun and the mavs pick and get giannis then pay that much for KD


Try Sengun, Amen, Reed and all of our picks. Plus a couple of yours.

That's more likely what a Giannis trade will look like. MIL won't be giving him up for minor stuff. Durant can be had for much less than the above haul.


What's the second best offer for KD you see outside of Houston? I don't see the Rockets having any interest
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Re: KD = Which 2025 1st? 

Post#180 » by MoreyWins » Tue May 6, 2025 3:32 am

Where do guys come up with these Giannis trades? Every time I open a thread the Rockets are giving up more and more by the hour. Next thing you know someone will propose an Ime for Doc swap as a apart of the deal.

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