Official NBA General Discussion 2024-25 V2.0

[UnbelievablyRAW]

Brunson is just too small

[Brinbe]

the refs remain the absolute worst part of this league



getting this in the regular season half of basketball would be obscene nevermind the playoffs.

[Basketball_Jones]

Can’t say I’m surprised at this whupping on the Knicks

[Brinbe]

FT shooting aside, Knicks can't afford for Bridges to give them nothing on the offensive end

[Brinbe]

OG playoff killer!

[Basketball_Jones]

Oh my god OG is so much improved

[Coco Costanza]

Epic collapse by the Celtics

[Tripod]

Can’t say I’m surprised at this whupping on the Knicks

And now?

Made a game of it at least

[Basketball_Jones]

Can’t say I’m surprised at this whupping on the Knicks

And now?

Made a game of it at least

Haha sit Towns they got a chance

[YogurtProducer]

It bothers me that he has been overhyped. For years I was saying it would be a mistake to build around him, even before the raptors signed him to that long term deal, and everyone was calling me crazy and a troll and an idiot even though I knew he would forever limit the potential of the team expecting him tp carry us. Nick nurse wanted him as a top scoring option shooting such miserable percentages. And the raptors capped out as a middle first round exit team and year after year people keep acting like fvv is this amazing player:leader but he keeps losing in the first round.

So yes, my beef is largely with the fact that I was relentlessly attacked for stating my opinion on who he was as a player, that I feel the need to emphasize that he is still that same player wherever he goes.

Again, this isn’t even to say he’s a bad player. I respect his work ethic, I respect he made something of himself, I respect that he got the contract that he did. But again, he’s still the same player I said he was as a raptor and he’s forever gonna limit the potential of the teams he’s on in the role he’s in. Make him a sixth man on the warriors or something and he’ll be great.

Was he overhyped? I feel like most reasonable posters/fans saw him as a good starter but no one confused him for a superstar. If anything, he was overhated. You say **** like "expected him to carry us" but no one ever expected him. No one WANTED him as a top scoring option either, but people recognized he was a better option than what we had at the time to run the offense.

I also disagree that the team ever was built around FVV OR that any long term deal was a mistake. FVV was underpaid his entire tenure as a Raptor. He never made more than $20~M a year when he was here, and at no point were we "building" around FVV.

You got hated on for being unreasonably negative. While pretty much everyone who "attacked" (lol) you was simply stating he is being asked to do more than he is capable of, it was the anti-FVV brigade that was complaining he was not a #1 option superstar. Anyone who liked the guy pretty much understood his limitations and still was able to see he was a positive player despite it.

And the raptors capped out as a middle first round exit team and year after year people keep acting like fvv is this amazing player:leader but he keeps losing in the first round.

Seems odd to put an entire teams shortcomings on one player who was not the best player on any of these teams.

FVV is certainly a floor raiser and not a ceiling raiser, but he still is a good player. HE is entirely overpaid, but I wouldn't doubt if he signs a deal this year to be a 4th/5th best guy somewhere and starts at PG and is on a good team next year (or maybe he just bag chases again, who knows). But really his Houston stint has proven most of the Raptors board wrong about him and yet here you are with your heels still dragging in the sand unable to admit you were wrong.

I’m not too sure you’re accurately remembering the state of the board during his departure. This board went from **** on me for “hating on him” through over the course of how many years, during his last season here literally the majority of the board starting complaining about him to the point that people posted actual hateful rhetoric towards him worse than I ever did. Calling him a Mdgt etc etc. I never even said **** like that. And here you are still trying to argue with me like I’m the irrational one.

Did you not even read the last paragraph of my post? I addressed everything objectively. He was definitely overhyped because people were expecting him to be the next Lowry, the whole fvv all star campaign, he just signed a max contract 2 years ago. Again and he never gets the blame. Any time your highest paid player is underformint the blame usually falls on him when they lose. Except here everyone is saying Jalen greens fault, Senguns fault. If shai played as poorly as fvv during the series and okc lost, do you think the narrative would be blaming every other role player?

The dynamic surrounding fvv is weird. You want to win with him, bring him off the bench. Simple. People were saying that when he was a raptor and yet the org insisted he be the starter.

What exactly am I wrong about? I’ll admit initially I thought he and delon were in the same tier based on the bench mob roles. Admittedly he took a leap beyond delon. But I was never enamoured with him because his game was limited. I started to fear that they were developing him as Lowrys replacement which they did and I knew the whole time he caps the ceiling, trade him while his value is high, the investment by the organization in him to be the starter was never worth it. It’s not about the dollar amount it’s about the role.

You view this to simplistically.

You can take any starting player and say “wanna win? Bring him off the bench”.

The problem is you need a better player to force him to the bench

FVV is better than you wanna admit, and not nearly as good as you’ve convinced yourself other people view him as

[Brinbe]

die by the 3

[Clutch0z24]

Brunson 2 good in clutch time

[Brinbe]

OG

[Basketball_Jones]

Towns is so fn useless my god

[Pointgod]

Derrick White with a grown ass man rebound. Wow.

[Pointgod]

Towns is so fn useless my god

Towns’ highs are pretty high but his lows are real low. His consistency is the problem.

[Clutch0z24]

Brunson should set up OG for a corner 3 win if he can

[Brinbe]

omg, rimmed out. perfect play

[Clutch0z24]

Brunson misses the bunny lol

[WaltFrazier]

Brunson doesn't miss many of those. Damn