The Brock Purdy Thread

[CrimsonCrew]

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I normally like this guy's content but I think he swung and missed with this conclusion.

Spent half the video saying the offensive line sucked, running game sucked, receivers couldn't beat man coverage, and Purdy had to rely on throwing low percentage 50/50 balls but he shouldn't get paid because he didn't elevate the team.

I don't know if Purdy is the long-term answer and he did have issues with his play but I don't hold him guilty of the sin of not elevating the team that had plenty of other issues and Purdy's play was one of the least concerning ones IMO.

A great QB needs to elevate the team but like a lot of things in football it just gets taken to the extremes. Like teams that win are usually good teams not just a great QB and a bunch of crap around him.

As the old adage goes the QB gets too much credit when the team wins and too much blame when the team loses.

I think the criticism is largely fair. The reality is that, once you pay the QB, you inevitably create shortcomings on the roster around them. Look at Mahomes. The past couple years, he's been muddling through with holes at OT, RB, WR. And his numbers have suffered. But he brings the dynamism - admittedly supported by a really good defense - to make plays when he has to and win a lot more than he loses. Purdy didn't show that last year.

Last year was pretty absurd in terms of the injuries. Losing pro bowl players at LT, WR, and RB is going to stomp on any QB's productivity. Especially when the replacements aren't spectacular. I kind of chuckled when he said that an offense with Kittle, Deebo, and Juice is still above average. I don't really believe that at this point. Juice is a unique player to be sure, but he isn't a difference maker. At this point, Deebo is too easy to defend if there isn't a superior target out there to draw attention.

That said, Moore just got a fat contract after replacing Williams, so plenty of people didn't view that as a huge downgrade. At this point, we don't have that level of play in a backup on the roster. Jordan Mason was leading the league in yards when CMC came back. Granted a lot of that is scheme, but the run game kept humming. And Jennings and Pearsall are a solid receiving tandem. It is absolutely alarming that Purdy shrank when playing alongside these guys. Can he continue to improve? Of course he can. But I have pretty serious reservations about paying him top dollar after what he put on film last year.

[Pattersonca65]

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I normally like this guy's content but I think he swung and missed with this conclusion.

Spent half the video saying the offensive line sucked, running game sucked, receivers couldn't beat man coverage, and Purdy had to rely on throwing low percentage 50/50 balls but he shouldn't get paid because he didn't elevate the team.

I don't know if Purdy is the long-term answer and he did have issues with his play but I don't hold him guilty of the sin of not elevating the team that had plenty of other issues and Purdy's play was one of the least concerning ones IMO.

A great QB needs to elevate the team but like a lot of things in football it just gets taken to the extremes. Like teams that win are usually good teams not just a great QB and a bunch of crap around him.

As the old adage goes the QB gets too much credit when the team wins and too much blame when the team loses.

I think the criticism is largely fair. The reality is that, once you pay the QB, you inevitably create shortcomings on the roster around them. Look at Mahomes. The past couple years, he's been muddling through with holes at OT, RB, WR. And his numbers have suffered. But he brings the dynamism - admittedly supported by a really good defense - to make plays when he has to and win a lot more than he loses. Purdy didn't show that last year.

Last year was pretty absurd in terms of the injuries. Losing pro bowl players at LT, WR, and RB is going to stomp on any QB's productivity. Especially when the replacements aren't spectacular. I kind of chuckled when he said that an offense with Kittle, Deebo, and Juice is still above average. I don't really believe that at this point. Juice is a unique player to be sure, but he isn't a difference maker. At this point, Deebo is too easy to defend if there isn't a superior target out there to draw attention.

That said, Moore just got a fat contract after replacing Williams, so plenty of people didn't view that as a huge downgrade. At this point, we don't have that level of play in a backup on the roster. Jordan Mason was leading the league in yards when CMC came back. Granted a lot of that is scheme, but the run game kept humming. And Jennings and Pearsall are a solid receiving tandem. It is absolutely alarming that Purdy shrank when playing alongside these guys. Can he continue to improve? Of course he can. But I have pretty serious reservations about paying him top dollar after what he put on film last year.

I think saying Jennings and Pearsall was a solid receiving tandem last year is a stretch. Jennings has been good and even he missed time last year due to injuries. Pearsall didn't play until well into the season. He missed much of his first offseason and it showed. He clearly was not in synch with Purdy at first and made mistakes which was understandable given he wasn't able to participate until well in the season. He good better late in the season.

[CrimsonCrew]

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I normally like this guy's content but I think he swung and missed with this conclusion.

Spent half the video saying the offensive line sucked, running game sucked, receivers couldn't beat man coverage, and Purdy had to rely on throwing low percentage 50/50 balls but he shouldn't get paid because he didn't elevate the team.

I don't know if Purdy is the long-term answer and he did have issues with his play but I don't hold him guilty of the sin of not elevating the team that had plenty of other issues and Purdy's play was one of the least concerning ones IMO.

A great QB needs to elevate the team but like a lot of things in football it just gets taken to the extremes. Like teams that win are usually good teams not just a great QB and a bunch of crap around him.

As the old adage goes the QB gets too much credit when the team wins and too much blame when the team loses.

I think the criticism is largely fair. The reality is that, once you pay the QB, you inevitably create shortcomings on the roster around them. Look at Mahomes. The past couple years, he's been muddling through with holes at OT, RB, WR. And his numbers have suffered. But he brings the dynamism - admittedly supported by a really good defense - to make plays when he has to and win a lot more than he loses. Purdy didn't show that last year.

Last year was pretty absurd in terms of the injuries. Losing pro bowl players at LT, WR, and RB is going to stomp on any QB's productivity. Especially when the replacements aren't spectacular. I kind of chuckled when he said that an offense with Kittle, Deebo, and Juice is still above average. I don't really believe that at this point. Juice is a unique player to be sure, but he isn't a difference maker. At this point, Deebo is too easy to defend if there isn't a superior target out there to draw attention.

That said, Moore just got a fat contract after replacing Williams, so plenty of people didn't view that as a huge downgrade. At this point, we don't have that level of play in a backup on the roster. Jordan Mason was leading the league in yards when CMC came back. Granted a lot of that is scheme, but the run game kept humming. And Jennings and Pearsall are a solid receiving tandem. It is absolutely alarming that Purdy shrank when playing alongside these guys. Can he continue to improve? Of course he can. But I have pretty serious reservations about paying him top dollar after what he put on film last year.

I think saying Jennings and Pearsall was a solid receiving tandem last year is a stretch. Jennings has been good and even he missed time last year due to injuries. Pearsall didn't play until well into the season. He missed much of his first offseason and it showed. He clearly was not in synch with Purdy at first and made mistakes which was understandable given he wasn't able to participate until well in the season. He good better late in the season.

That's fair. The timing and rhythm clearly weren't there like they were with Aiyuk, for instance.

That said, Mahomes started the season with Rashee Rice as his #1 receiver and Isiah Pacheco as his RB (i.e., solid players but nothing special) and then lost them both and had to fall back on...nothing good. Kelce was really showing his age. And as noted, Mahomes' numbers were down. But he pulled out close games (won every game that was within a TD) and steered his team to the SB. Can Purdy do that? I don't think he can.

I can live with the lower stats. Last year was a mess. The offense kind of fell apart with significant injuries, and the defense was just plain awful (thank you Nick Sorensen). But Purdy had opportunities to come through late in several games, and with the exception of the first Rams' game where his supporting cast really let him down (this is just going off memory), he didn't come through when we needed him to. Purdy was 1-6 in one-score games. That is an alarming stat when you're considering paying him $50 million+ per year.

[Pattersonca65]

I think the criticism is largely fair. The reality is that, once you pay the QB, you inevitably create shortcomings on the roster around them. Look at Mahomes. The past couple years, he's been muddling through with holes at OT, RB, WR. And his numbers have suffered. But he brings the dynamism - admittedly supported by a really good defense - to make plays when he has to and win a lot more than he loses. Purdy didn't show that last year.

Last year was pretty absurd in terms of the injuries. Losing pro bowl players at LT, WR, and RB is going to stomp on any QB's productivity. Especially when the replacements aren't spectacular. I kind of chuckled when he said that an offense with Kittle, Deebo, and Juice is still above average. I don't really believe that at this point. Juice is a unique player to be sure, but he isn't a difference maker. At this point, Deebo is too easy to defend if there isn't a superior target out there to draw attention.

That said, Moore just got a fat contract after replacing Williams, so plenty of people didn't view that as a huge downgrade. At this point, we don't have that level of play in a backup on the roster. Jordan Mason was leading the league in yards when CMC came back. Granted a lot of that is scheme, but the run game kept humming. And Jennings and Pearsall are a solid receiving tandem. It is absolutely alarming that Purdy shrank when playing alongside these guys. Can he continue to improve? Of course he can. But I have pretty serious reservations about paying him top dollar after what he put on film last year.

I think saying Jennings and Pearsall was a solid receiving tandem last year is a stretch. Jennings has been good and even he missed time last year due to injuries. Pearsall didn't play until well into the season. He missed much of his first offseason and it showed. He clearly was not in synch with Purdy at first and made mistakes which was understandable given he wasn't able to participate until well in the season. He good better late in the season.

That's fair. The timing and rhythm clearly weren't there like they were with Aiyuk, for instance.

That said, Mahomes started the season with Rashee Rice as his #1 receiver and Isiah Pacheco as his RB (i.e., solid players but nothing special) and then lost them both and had to fall back on...nothing good. Kelce was really showing his age. And as noted, Mahomes' numbers were down. But he pulled out close games (won every game that was within a TD) and steered his team to the SB. Can Purdy do that? I don't think he can.

I can live with the lower stats. Last year was a mess. The offense kind of fell apart with significant injuries, and the defense was just plain awful (thank you Nick Sorensen). But Purdy had opportunities to come through late in several games, and with the exception of the first Rams' game where his supporting cast really let him down (this is just going off memory), he didn't come through when we needed him to. Purdy was 1-6 in one-score games. That is an alarming stat when you're considering paying him $50 million+ per year.

Why the Mahomes comparison? Didn't we go through this all season? Mahomes were down. How many games would they have won/lost if their defense and special teams was as bad as ours was?

[CrimsonCrew]

I think saying Jennings and Pearsall was a solid receiving tandem last year is a stretch. Jennings has been good and even he missed time last year due to injuries. Pearsall didn't play until well into the season. He missed much of his first offseason and it showed. He clearly was not in synch with Purdy at first and made mistakes which was understandable given he wasn't able to participate until well in the season. He good better late in the season.

That's fair. The timing and rhythm clearly weren't there like they were with Aiyuk, for instance.

That said, Mahomes started the season with Rashee Rice as his #1 receiver and Isiah Pacheco as his RB (i.e., solid players but nothing special) and then lost them both and had to fall back on...nothing good. Kelce was really showing his age. And as noted, Mahomes' numbers were down. But he pulled out close games (won every game that was within a TD) and steered his team to the SB. Can Purdy do that? I don't think he can.

I can live with the lower stats. Last year was a mess. The offense kind of fell apart with significant injuries, and the defense was just plain awful (thank you Nick Sorensen). But Purdy had opportunities to come through late in several games, and with the exception of the first Rams' game where his supporting cast really let him down (this is just going off memory), he didn't come through when we needed him to. Purdy was 1-6 in one-score games. That is an alarming stat when you're considering paying him $50 million+ per year.

Why the Mahomes comparison? Didn't we go through this all season? Mahomes were down. How many games would they have won/lost if their defense and special teams was as bad as ours was?

I was wrong above. We were 2-6 in close games. I'm doing a deeper dive now, because it's Purdy's performance in those games that raises the most questions for me. He had a habit of folding when we needed him to step up. Lots of late-game mishaps, turnovers, etc.

In terms of why the Mahomes comparison, it's because that's the benchmark. That's the guy (or type of guy) Purdy is going to have to beat. I'm not at all sold that he can do that without a superior supporting cast (or even with one). And if he can't, would we be better going with a cheap QB and building the roster around him? I think one of the worst things an NFL team can do for its long-term success is overpay a mediocre QB. I'd rather go cheap and build a great roster around the guy.

There's no doubt Mahomes got a lot of help from STs and defense, but he also gets it done in close games. Purdy kind of did the opposite this past season.

[CrimsonCrew]

Did a deeper trip down (bad) memory lane on Purdy's close games. Some notes:

L 23-10 vs. Vikings: It took a FG late to close to within six points. But Purdy had bad turnovers in the second half to get us to that point. He didn't see the closing defender who deflected a pass leading to an INT deep in our territory. And then he just lost the ball while throwing for a fumble on the next drive.

L 27-24 vs. Rams: Purdy played well in this one with a depleted cast, so I don't put this on him. We tried (and missed) a 55-yard FG leading by seven. Purdy hit Bell for what should have been a game-winning FG at a minimum, and Bell just flat-out dropped it. I thought on the ensuing 3rd down that he bailed from the pocket a little early, but hard to pin this one on him. He was our best player with the possible exception of Jennings.

L 24-23 vs. Cards: 1st and 10 from our 42 with 1:32 left and Purdy threw an INT. He was hit as he threw on a blitz. Looks like we didn't get the right call on the blocking. The Cards sent two, but we had six in to block. The DB came unblocked. Still, Purdy could have gotten a pass off to Kittle or just eaten the sack and lived for the next down. Largely on Purdy here.

W 30-24 vs. Cowboys: Niners win, but it was much closer than it should have been. We were up by 17 at the start of the 4th. From that point on, we generated 62 yards and 3 points to make this pretty uncomfortable. We went very run-heavy, but Purdy was 1-3 for six yards and no first downs on third downs in the 4th.

W 23-20 vs. Bucs: This game should not have been as close as it was. Moody missed 44- and 55-yard FGs late. The D gave up a late FG drive to allow TB to tie. And Purdy put together a nice drive to score the go-ahead points. Nice performance by him.

L 20-17 vs. Hawks: This one was pretty anticlimactic. We got the ball back leading by four with four minutes left. After an 11-yard CMC run on first down, we went three-and-out with Purdy failing to convert on second or third down. Seattle went down and scored late to seal it. On the crucial third down, Seattle sent a max blitz and we had no answers.

L 12-6 vs. Rams: Only six points through the game is a real indictment. Playoffs were still theoretically on the line. On 2nd and 10 from the Rams' 33 with five minutes left, Purdy threw an INT. He was pressured, but not immediately. He just threw up a prayer to Jennings, who was bracketed.

L 40-34 vs. Lions: We lost by 6, but scored a TD with 43 seconds left to get that close. That said, we had the ball, trailing by 6, on a first-and-ten from the Lions' 36 with 7:30 left in the game when Purdy threw an INT. Purdy was not pressured, telegraphed his throw, and the safety jumped in front of Pearsall and took it. Lions scored to go ahead by 13. Huge mistake that cost us the game.

Long story short, Purdy had opportunities to win close games, and he repeatedly wasn't up to it. He repeatedly struggled late.

Reducing it to numbers doesn't do full justice, but it's indicative of the issues last year. In the 4th quarter, Purdy had four TDs and six INTs. His passer rating fell to 65.3. In the fourth quarter of one-score games, he had three TDs, four INTs, and an 81 rating. He had one TD and two INTs in the final two minutes of games, and a 70.8 rating. He just wasn't good enough when it mattered the most.

None of that is to say that I want the team to walk away from him, but if it were me, I would draw a firm line at $45 million per season. You can argue that Purdy is better than Dak or Tua, but those guys never had losing seasons before their extensions. And those guys were grossly overpaid and are going to hold their teams back. That's not the benchmark we want to follow.

[Jikkle]

There is no question Purdy could've should've played better in the 4th quarter but I don't think you can quite make a 1:1 comparison with Mahomes.

Reid is a way better playcalling and designer of the passing game than Kyle is, their OT play sucked but the IOL was actually good for the Chiefs, and while the weapons weren't household names but the actually had some variety in skillsets.

Not to mention we just saw Mahomes get completely annihilated by the Eagles. So we've seen what he looks like with an offensive line getting destroyed, crappy weapons, and Reid losing the chess match against his counterpart.

[Jikkle]

not sure why we're going a cent above 45m, but whatever, I guess it'll all be in the details of the deal in terms of guarantees etc.

Kirk Cousins is at 45m and guys like Tua and Trevor Lawrence are making 53m to 55m a year.

If you're Purdy you're never going to accept 45m a year when stats say you're better than those guys and you have more accomplishments than they do as well.

Yeah none of those guys should make that including Purdy but the market is what it is and I don't see the 9ers being able to reset it.

[CrimsonCrew]

There is no question Purdy could've should've played better in the 4th quarter but I don't think you can quite make a 1:1 comparison with Mahomes.

Reid is a way better playcalling and designer of the passing game than Kyle is, their OT play sucked but the IOL was actually good for the Chiefs, and while the weapons weren't household names but the actually had some variety in skillsets.

Not to mention we just saw Mahomes get completely annihilated by the Eagles. So we've seen what he looks like with an offensive line getting destroyed, crappy weapons, and Reid losing the chess match against his counterpart.

Sure, the Chiefs' fairy tale season finally fell apart when they encountered a team that could run on them and get pressure on Mahomes. But Mahomes has demonstrated an ability to elevate his team, and has years of elite play in his past. Purdy has demonstrated some ability to elevate his team, but he's a hard evaluation because the supporting cast was so strong for his first two years, and when it wasn't as strong he struggled.

Purdy's struggles in close games cannot be ignored IMO. He only had two close games as a rookie. He should have beaten the Raiders with a game-winning FG drive, but we missed the 41-yard FG. That was the only close game until the Cowboys playoff game that season. That wasn't a great game for him, but he did get it done at the end.

In year two, Purdy lost to the Browns and Vikings in close games. He struggled against the Browns, but did enough to win but for a missed FG. Against the Vikings, his poor play down the stretch was arguably the decisive factor. The loss to the Bengals could have been close, but Purdy turned it over on three of the final four drives. The team did not win a one-score game that regular season, which is a testament to Purdy, but hinders our assessment of him. In the playoffs, he did come through in the clutch in all three games.

But at the end of the day, you're talking about a guy who was known for risky play in college and is well below .500 in close games with a recent history of poor play down the stretch in those games. That has to affect his value. We're not talking about losing a super bowl. We're talking about getting swept in one of the weaker divisions in football.

[CrimsonCrew]

not sure why we're going a cent above 45m, but whatever, I guess it'll all be in the details of the deal in terms of guarantees etc.

Kirk Cousins is at 45m and guys like Tua and Trevor Lawrence are making 53m to 55m a year.

If you're Purdy you're never going to accept 45m a year when stats say you're better than those guys and you have more accomplishments than they do as well.

Yeah none of those guys should make that including Purdy but the market is what it is and I don't see the 9ers being able to reset it.

The Lawrence deal should just be thrown out. I don't know how Baalke even had a job at that point.

Even then, those guys had more leverage. Purdy has made very little money to date and is only due $5.3 million this year. We can franchise him for two years after that. Cousins was a FA, Tua and Lawrence were looking at fifth-year options that were almost five times higher than Purdy's cap figure. Purdy's low dollar figure this year can be absorbed into the contract to give him a higher per-year figure (technically it will be an extension on this season) than those guys even though the total value is lower, so maybe we see the FO do something with that. But I'm not giving him a deal that is comparable to those guys in terms of actual value. If he wants to break the bank, let him show he's worth it this season. I think he's also in something of a tough spot to hold out with Mac Jones on the roster now - weird as it seems to say that.

[clyde21]

not sure why we're going a cent above 45m, but whatever, I guess it'll all be in the details of the deal in terms of guarantees etc.

Kirk Cousins is at 45m and guys like Tua and Trevor Lawrence are making 53m to 55m a year.

If you're Purdy you're never going to accept 45m a year when stats say you're better than those guys and you have more accomplishments than they do as well.

Yeah none of those guys should make that including Purdy but the market is what it is and I don't see the 9ers being able to reset it.

Kirk Cousins money is fair for Brock, and I don't care if other teams made bad deals with their QBs

[clyde21]

Purdy has zero leverage

Whats he gonna do, hold out? What happens if he holds out and Mac Jones comes in and runs the offense at a respectable level? Doesn't even need to play all that well, just run a functioning offense that's run heavy and what's Purdy's play then? if that happens he's cooked.

otherwise, take the 45m, or he can play the year out and if he earns 60m a pop this year i'd be more than glad to say he deserves it. but literally *zero* reason we need to be making this deal right now.

sorry, but he just didn't play all that well last year to demand anything even remotely more than Kirk Cousins money.

[Jikkle]

Odds are Purdy will get a contract that will look like a 52ish a year deal but will likely have the guaranteed money in the first two years with a lot of the money backloaded.

The 9ers can jump ship after a couple years if it doesn't work out and Purdy and his agents get a win by looking like he got a massive contract.

[vvoland]

Odds are Purdy will get a contract that will look like a 52ish a year deal but will likely have the guaranteed money in the first two years with a lot of the money backloaded.

The 9ers can jump ship after a couple years if it doesn't work out and Purdy and his agents get a win by looking like he got a massive contract.

This is the way

[RIPskaterdude]

Done deal, now we wait for full details

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[RIPskaterdude]

181 guarantees

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[RIPskaterdude]

Front loaded yikes....

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[Samurai]

Compared to the drama we've had with Bosa, Aiyuk and Trent, I'm at least glad this was handled early and won't be a distraction during training camp.

[clyde21]

55 a pop for 3 years guaranteed essentially

really don't see a reason why we had to fold like this tbh, but whatever. if he earns it won't matter. if he doesn't, we'll be seeing a brand new FO in 3 years.

[RIPskaterdude]

55 a pop for 3 years guaranteed essentially

really don't see a reason why we had to fold like this tbh, but whatever. if he earns it won't matter. if he doesn't, we'll be seeing a brand new FO in 3 years.

If he has a season like last season and goes 6 and 11, he might see a new FO next season