2025 NBA Draft Discussion Part 6

[ATLTimekeeper]

Who cares where RJ would go in a re-draft? Lol
I'm talking about player A vs player B and what teams value in the playoffs. They absolutely value production from OG over RJ. Does NY regret doing that deal? No, they don't. Last night vs BOS he was 6/11 from 3, 75% from the line, with 29 points and guarding up and down the lineup. Lol what are we even talking about here.

This is the draft thread? Go get some sunlight.

Take your own medicine. Don't respond if you can't get into it

I explained myself already. Do you really think New York and Toronto swapped records with that trade, or where there other contributing factors?

RJ would still be drafted ahead of OG in a re-draft, and that's why you don't look at 3&D players in the top 10.

[Indeed]

You admitting they wouldn't deal a defensive 3 and D type in Brooks for RJ proves my point of what these teams want in the playoffs.

We already have one in Barnes (without the 3).

Barnes is not a role player.

Barrett is not a role player as well, the comparison is off at both the role and position.
Meanwhile, from the stats perspective, Barnes is not creating his own shot, so what he is not being a role player nor someone who can create?

You cannot compare the Rockets and simply say someone isn't on a playoffs team. Same thing Barnes won't be on a playoffs team, who would want someone with a bottom 20th offense without providing spacing and not a C?

[WuTang_CMB]

This is the draft thread? Go get some sunlight.

Take your own medicine. Don't respond if you can't get into it

I explained myself already. Do you really think New York and Toronto swapped records with that trade, or where there other contributing factors?

RJ would still be drafted ahead of OG in a re-draft, and that's why you don't look at 3&D players in the top 10.

You keep digging yourself lol and still confused.

I said one of the reasons why NY and Toronto went the other way was swapping OG for RJ - they have opposite records which I showed you. OG impacts winning - RJ does not. Again, I am comparing value of players, I don't know why you keep using RJ in a re-draft statement - I am talking about players today. OG is more valuable than RJ in every way. There's not one team that would take RJ over him. Why do you think TOR targeted IQ in that trade?

[grant101]

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[WuTang_CMB]

We already have one in Barnes (without the 3).

Barnes is not a role player.

Barrett is not a role player as well, the comparison is off at both the role and position.
Meanwhile, from the stats perspective, Barnes is not creating his own shot, so what he is not being a role player nor someone who can create?

You cannot compare the Rockets and simply say someone isn't on a playoffs team. Same thing Barnes won't be on a playoffs team, who would want someone with a bottom 20th offense without providing spacing and not a C?

Barrett is very much a role player. He's not a top option for a winning team.

I asked if HOU who are a great defensive team would trade a 3 and D guy like Brooks for RJ Barrett in order to get better offensively. My belief is "No" since since RJ doesn't provide an edge for them offensively and his defense is subpar. Houston is not doing that. That should answer your question on what teams want in the playoffs and the value of a guy like RJ. It's simple.

[ATLTimekeeper]

Take your own medicine. Don't respond if you can't get into it

I explained myself already. Do you really think New York and Toronto swapped records with that trade, or where there other contributing factors?

RJ would still be drafted ahead of OG in a re-draft, and that's why you don't look at 3&D players in the top 10.

You keep digging yourself lol and still confused.

I said one of the reasons why NY and Toronto went the other way was swapping OG for RJ - they have opposite records which I showed you. OG impacts winning - RJ does not. Again, I am comparing value of players, I don't know why you keep using RJ in a re-draft statement - I am talking about players today. OG is more valuable than RJ in every way. There's not one team that would take RJ over him. Why do you think TOR targeted IQ in that trade?

The Raptors intentionally tanked. You also culminated regular season records which included RJ leaving the team due to a personal tragedy, which is disgraceful. The Raptors also lost Fred for nothing and Pascal for pretty much nothing. Like, there's almost no point in bringing up the trade. New York is just as good without it, while also making the KAT and Bridges deal. They both impact winning. A re-draft includes the value of the players today. You just disagree. It's a ****ing re-draft of what we think about those players right now, that's why you re-draft.

[Coco Costanza]

Just ran back to back lotto simulations using fanspo, and got the Mavericks the number 1 pick both times. This would be so infuriating if it happened.

[WuTang_CMB]

I explained myself already. Do you really think New York and Toronto swapped records with that trade, or where there other contributing factors?

RJ would still be drafted ahead of OG in a re-draft, and that's why you don't look at 3&D players in the top 10.

You keep digging yourself lol and still confused.

I said one of the reasons why NY and Toronto went the other way was swapping OG for RJ - they have opposite records which I showed you. OG impacts winning - RJ does not. Again, I am comparing value of players, I don't know why you keep using RJ in a re-draft statement - I am talking about players today. OG is more valuable than RJ in every way. There's not one team that would take RJ over him. Why do you think TOR targeted IQ in that trade?

The Raptors intentionally tanked. You also culminated regular season records which included RJ leaving the team due to a personal tragedy, which is disgraceful. The Raptors also lost Fred for nothing and Pascal for pretty much nothing. Like, there's almost no point in bringing up the trade. New York is just as good without it, while also making the KAT and Bridges deal. They both impact winning. A re-draft includes the value of the players today. You just disagree. It's a ****ing re-draft of what we think about those players right now, that's why you re-draft.

Listen you seem to be spinning your wheels here. Let's forget about contracts for a second and who wanted to sign or didn't want to. The Raptors wanted to rebuild and traded a better player in OG who NY wanted for so long. When those things happen, you are usually inheriting the worser player. Hence why I said one of the reasons why both teams went in opposite directions. That's what happens. I don't care about re-draft of where RJ would go lolol. I am talking about what player A brings vs player B and what's important in the playoffs. You are debating nonsense and don't want to admit that OG is the better player and how he impacts winning - and now again going back to one of the reasons why one team is winning and the other is losing.

[Indeed]

Barnes is not a role player.

Barrett is not a role player as well, the comparison is off at both the role and position.
Meanwhile, from the stats perspective, Barnes is not creating his own shot, so what he is not being a role player nor someone who can create?

You cannot compare the Rockets and simply say someone isn't on a playoffs team. Same thing Barnes won't be on a playoffs team, who would want someone with a bottom 20th offense without providing spacing and not a C?

Barrett is very much a role player. He's not a top option for a winning team.

I asked if HOU who are a great defensive team would trade a 3 and D guy like Brooks for RJ Barrett in order to get better offensively. My belief is "No" since since RJ doesn't provide an edge for them offensively and his defense is subpar. Houston is not doing that. That should answer your question on what teams want in the playoffs and the value of a guy like RJ. It's simple.

Barrett is definitely not a role player, that is just your belief that he is a role player.

As for the original question:

Yes they did and that was because they couldn't score the ball like I said.

I don't know why you would equate a rumor of him being discussed in a hypothetical trade with the team wanting to get rid of him.

Yeah, great, but you are not getting there if you aren't defending. Ask yourself if HOU would trade Brooks for RJ. I'll tell you - no they're not.

I brought that up to explain to you that RJ isn't valuable in the front office's eyes since you are arguing they need his offense. They know who he is as a player.

You were the one who bought it up if Houston would trade Brooks for Barrett. The comparison was off.
And yet, Barnes is actually the one who should compare to Brooks in his role, cannot create for himself and not a role player?

One reason Houston has some offense is because of Sengun, and he is a very good defensive player? No.

[WuTang_CMB]

Barrett is not a role player as well, the comparison is off at both the role and position.
Meanwhile, from the stats perspective, Barnes is not creating his own shot, so what he is not being a role player nor someone who can create?

You cannot compare the Rockets and simply say someone isn't on a playoffs team. Same thing Barnes won't be on a playoffs team, who would want someone with a bottom 20th offense without providing spacing and not a C?

Barrett is very much a role player. He's not a top option for a winning team.

I asked if HOU who are a great defensive team would trade a 3 and D guy like Brooks for RJ Barrett in order to get better offensively. My belief is "No" since since RJ doesn't provide an edge for them offensively and his defense is subpar. Houston is not doing that. That should answer your question on what teams want in the playoffs and the value of a guy like RJ. It's simple.

Barrett is definitely not a role player, that is just your belief that he is a role player.

As for the original question:

Yes they did and that was because they couldn't score the ball like I said.

I don't know why you would equate a rumor of him being discussed in a hypothetical trade with the team wanting to get rid of him.

Yeah, great, but you are not getting there if you aren't defending. Ask yourself if HOU would trade Brooks for RJ. I'll tell you - no they're not.

I brought that up to explain to you that RJ isn't valuable in the front office's eyes since you are arguing they need his offense. They know who he is as a player.

You were the one who bought it up if Houston would trade Brooks for Barrett. The comparison was off.
And yet, Barnes is actually the one who should compare to Brooks in his role, cannot create for himself and not a role player?

One reason Houston has some offense is because of Sengun, and he is a very good defensive player? No.

Do a poll. He's definitely a role player. Do you really think RJ is going to be ahead of BI and Scottie and even IQ?

I didn't think this needed explaining but I brought them up and used a 3 and D guy like Brooks in a potential trade because RJ isn't giving them this significant edge offensively with him even if his defense was neutral. Teams want defense and 3's from their role players - not what RJ is providing teams.

[Grew]

Barrett is very much a role player. He's not a top option for a winning team.

I asked if HOU who are a great defensive team would trade a 3 and D guy like Brooks for RJ Barrett in order to get better offensively. My belief is "No" since since RJ doesn't provide an edge for them offensively and his defense is subpar. Houston is not doing that. That should answer your question on what teams want in the playoffs and the value of a guy like RJ. It's simple.

Barrett is definitely not a role player, that is just your belief that he is a role player.

As for the original question:

Yeah, great, but you are not getting there if you aren't defending. Ask yourself if HOU would trade Brooks for RJ. I'll tell you - no they're not.

I brought that up to explain to you that RJ isn't valuable in the front office's eyes since you are arguing they need his offense. They know who he is as a player.

You were the one who bought it up if Houston would trade Brooks for Barrett. The comparison was off.
And yet, Barnes is actually the one who should compare to Brooks in his role, cannot create for himself and not a role player?

One reason Houston has some offense is because of Sengun, and he is a very good defensive player? No.

Do a poll. He's definitely a role player. Do you really think RJ is going to be ahead of BI and Scottie and even IQ?

I didn't think this needed explaining but I brought them up and used a 3 and D guy like Brooks in a potential trade because RJ isn't giving them this significant edge offensively with him even if his defense was neutral. Teams want defense and 3's from their role players - not what RJ is providing teams.

This is the essence of why RJ is an awkward fit into most NBA starting lineups and why he is so polarizing for this board. He isn't really a role player because he needs the ball in his hands to unlock his best attribute (slashing), he basically has to be one of your top 3 usage guys or you are wasting him, while he's not really a good enough catch and shoot guy or defender to warrant him being on the court as a 4th or 5th option type.

So really the only way to scale him back with any effectiveness would be to send him to the bench and hopefully make him into a Manu type 6th man.

[WuTang_CMB]

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[niQ]

You keep digging yourself lol and still confused.

I said one of the reasons why NY and Toronto went the other way was swapping OG for RJ - they have opposite records which I showed you. OG impacts winning - RJ does not. Again, I am comparing value of players, I don't know why you keep using RJ in a re-draft statement - I am talking about players today. OG is more valuable than RJ in every way. There's not one team that would take RJ over him. Why do you think TOR targeted IQ in that trade?

The Raptors intentionally tanked. You also culminated regular season records which included RJ leaving the team due to a personal tragedy, which is disgraceful. The Raptors also lost Fred for nothing and Pascal for pretty much nothing. Like, there's almost no point in bringing up the trade. New York is just as good without it, while also making the KAT and Bridges deal. They both impact winning. A re-draft includes the value of the players today. You just disagree. It's a ****ing re-draft of what we think about those players right now, that's why you re-draft.

Listen you seem to be spinning your wheels here. Let's forget about contracts for a second and who wanted to sign or didn't want to. The Raptors wanted to rebuild and traded a better player in OG who NY wanted for so long. When those things happen, you are usually inheriting the worser player. Hence why I said one of the reasons why both teams went in opposite directions. That's what happens. I don't care about re-draft of where RJ would go lolol. I am talking about what player A brings vs player B and what's important in the playoffs. You are debating nonsense and don't want to admit that OG is the better player and how he impacts winning - and now again going back to one of the reasons why one team is winning and the other is losing.

Let's move on from this topic. The thread has been derailed long enough over Barrett.

[Tripod]

What a great draft discussion

[UnbelievablyRAW]

Feels like I’m the only one not on Khaman Island but my eye test and gut feeling is telling me he won’t be as good as he’s being touted.

Never seen a big get scouted as an elite rim protector without the advanced numbers to back it up, only for it to be waived away because “he was scaring guys from shooting”. Not saying he’s not going to be a good defender but he was on a good defensive team that would have still been that way without him.

I can’t point to any dominant stretches of basketball from him either defensively or offensively either.

I’d rather trade for an existing C or for another first to get one in the first round over taking him 7/8. He’s just too raw to take this high imo

[BoyzNTheHood]

Feels like I’m the only one not on Khaman Island but my eye test and gut feeling is telling me he won’t be as good as he’s being touted.

Never seen a big get scouted as an elite rim protector without the advanced numbers to back it up, only for it to be waived away because “he was scaring guys from shooting”. Not saying he’s not going to be a good defender but he was on a good defensive team that would have still been that way without him.

I can’t point to any dominant stretches of basketball from him either defensively or offensively either.

I’d rather trade for an existing C or for another first to get one in the first round over taking him 7/8. He’s just too raw to take this high imo

You’re not alone. I’m just tired of going in circles like this thread has been doing for the past few months. I’ll be back post lottery!

[raptor jesus]

Feels like I’m the only one not on Khaman Island but my eye test and gut feeling is telling me he won’t be as good as he’s being touted.

Never seen a big get scouted as an elite rim protector without the advanced numbers to back it up, only for it to be waived away because “he was scaring guys from shooting”. Not saying he’s not going to be a good defender but he was on a good defensive team that would have still been that way without him.

I can’t point to any dominant stretches of basketball from him either defensively or offensively either.

I’d rather trade for an existing C or for another first to get one in the first round over taking him 7/8. He’s just too raw to take this high imo

I'm with you - there are too many concerns around his game for me to be comfortable picking him top 10. His lack of production is the biggest one - I know some subscribe to the notion that he's such a deterrent around the rim that opponents wouldn't shoot around him, but I didn't really witness that in the games I watched (I watched 8-10 Duke games). I also don't like his hands or the way he moves - he's athletic but I don't think he's a fluid mover, and guys like that can get played off the floor.

I see the flashes,but too many things have to develop just right for him to reach it imo. I would rather let another team roll the dice on that experiment.

[NinjaBro]

Got #1 on my 2nd try on fanspo sim

[dohboy_24]

Ran the lottery simulation a couple of times and got some results that would be very interesting should they actually happen when it's time for the real thing...

1 - Utah
2 - Houston
3 - Toronto
4 - Washington
7 - Philadelphia conveys to OKC

1 - Houston
2 - Charlotte
3 - Toronto
4 - Washington
7 - Philadelphia conveys to OKC

1 - Portland
2 - Brooklyn
3 - Charlotte
4 - Washington
7 - Philadelphia conveys to OKC
8 - Toronto

1 - New Orleans
2 - Philadelphia
3 - San Antonio
4 - Houston
9 - Toronto

1 - Philadelphia
2 - Charlotte
3 - Houston
4 - Utah
8 - Toronto

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