2025 Regular/Offseason Season Thread Vol. 10

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Mentioned Jalen in the fantasy trade thread.

Whats the difference in value (draft pick wise) between him and Tyler?

In favor of the Heat? I’m not sure any difference considering Green is 2 years younger and was a key piece on the 2 seed in the West

I think Herro realistically would go for 3-4 FRPs right now (depending on quality of the picks).
He's on a great contract for 2 more years and is coming off an allstar season. I'd say similiar to what the Hawks paid for Dejounte Murray.

Jalen like 1 FRP, didn't really show anything so far, below everage scoring efficiency and mediocre playmaking, not a good defender either.

If there ever was a time to sell high on Herro it is now, he's probably at the peak of his value.

But it's obvious at this point, this FO won't move him. Even if it is Giannis, Bam makes more sense to move then, because you still need Herro's shooting/playmaking.

I don’t see it but I hope you’re right and we get it done. If it’s any truth to LA/NY/MIA as Beck was saying we actually have more ammo than those guys without even using Herro or Bam but we’ll cross that bridge when we get there, if we get there.

[MettaWorldPanda]

The mere mention of “Maybe Miami” in a report today got hope traffic at an all time high again lol. We are not getting Giannis. The report sounds more like a spitball if anything. Actually here’s the actual quote

A recent report from The Ringer's Howard Beck reveals the main cities that Antetokounmpo would likely want a trade to, which includes Chicago.
"Does Giannis ask out? If he does, does he have a list? I poked around a little bit a few days ago and the initial thing I got from one person was just like some rumblings that it’s already just the big cities: One of the LA teams or one of the New York teams or maybe Miami, not a big market, but a glamour market, mid-size market.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

The mere mention of “Maybe Miami” in a report today got hope traffic at an all time high again lol. We are not getting Giannis. The report sounds more like a spitball if anything. Actually here’s the actual quote

A recent report from The Ringer's Howard Beck reveals the main cities that Antetokounmpo would likely want a trade to, which includes Chicago.
"Does Giannis ask out? If he does, does he have a list? I poked around a little bit a few days ago and the initial thing I got from one person was just like some rumblings that it’s already just the big cities: One of the LA teams or one of the New York teams or maybe Miami, not a big market, but a glamour market, mid-size market.

Stay tuned, doubt The Godfather to your own demise.

[Lennyzinho]

The mere mention of “Maybe Miami” in a report today got hope traffic at an all time high again lol. We are not getting Giannis. The report sounds more like a spitball if anything. Actually here’s the actual quote

A recent report from The Ringer's Howard Beck reveals the main cities that Antetokounmpo would likely want a trade to, which includes Chicago.
"Does Giannis ask out? If he does, does he have a list? I poked around a little bit a few days ago and the initial thing I got from one person was just like some rumblings that it’s already just the big cities: One of the LA teams or one of the New York teams or maybe Miami, not a big market, but a glamour market, mid-size market.

I dont think we get giannis either but to me... this jives with everything I've heard about Giannis for the past several years and what he wanted when Bucks felt pressured to get Dame and have Giannis sign the extension.

So before I wouldve said 1%... now maybe 5%.
Gotta think this knocks out OKC... same for Indiana and Detroit.

Still think Spurs have the best package of young players, players that can help win now and picks. Rockets after them. But cant be ruled out. Who knows, maybe spurs are like we aren't trading Castle. And bucks put their foot down. And we are willing to trade Herro, Wiggins and Ware. And let's say rockets are like eff it, and get Durant and now they're out of giannis.

Ya never know. Again. I dont think we get Giannis. But why wouldn't we try. And our package isn't bad.
Its not good but ... after Luka who the eff knows anymore

[Rapaz]

All indications are that we’re getting Giannis.

Amazing offseason ahead.

[Beenie]

Both LA and NY have demonstrated in recent years an ability to pull off unlikely major trades.

Dont put it past either team to figure a way to get Giannis

Maybe Mia could get a scrap piece out of it like Lebron

[MettaWorldPanda]

The mere mention of “Maybe Miami” in a report today got hope traffic at an all time high again lol. We are not getting Giannis. The report sounds more like a spitball if anything. Actually here’s the actual quote

A recent report from The Ringer's Howard Beck reveals the main cities that Antetokounmpo would likely want a trade to, which includes Chicago.
"Does Giannis ask out? If he does, does he have a list? I poked around a little bit a few days ago and the initial thing I got from one person was just like some rumblings that it’s already just the big cities: One of the LA teams or one of the New York teams or maybe Miami, not a big market, but a glamour market, mid-size market.

Stay tuned, doubt The Godfather to your own demise.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

The trade packages no longer mean what they used to. This is free agency now, these guys will go where they want unless it’s Miami

[3ammy3uck3ts]

We’re going to get Jokic this summer stealing a play out of the Lakers book by telling the Nuggets he’s fat and not taking his body serious

[MettaWorldPanda]

The trade packages no longer mean what they used to. This is free agency now, these guys will go where they want unless it’s Miami

Giannis has another year on contract so they can slow play this to their liking. Rest assured going into this with only a few 1st rd picks to trade puts us at the back back of the list. Giannis is not going to pull a Miami only either. Butler wanted the Suns so bad and ended up with the Warriors. Bucks will do everything they can to get him out of the division for the most draft capital.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

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[MettaWorldPanda]

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That’s a very big trade carrot for them.

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[KingDavid]

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Not getting him without giving up Bam. Doubt he wants to be here without Bam too. I didn't see it.

[Heat3]

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Not getting him without giving up Bam. Doubt he wants to be here without Bam too. I didn't see it.

I'd give up Bam for him in a second. He may prefer to play with Bam, who wouldn't? But if he gets traded for Bam he'll still play.

[MettaWorldPanda]

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Not getting him without giving up Bam. Doubt he wants to be here without Bam too. I didn't see it.

I'd give up Bam for him in a second. He may prefer to play with Bam, who wouldn't? But if he gets traded for Bam he'll still play.

Riley is not trading Bam for Giannis. Giannis doesn’t want to come here under those circumstances either. Just a major conflict of interest all the way around. Why would the agent be involved in getting his client to Miami while screwing over another getting shipped to a rebuilding Milwaukee. Makes no damn sense. In the dreamer Heat fandom world in makes all the sense in the world but with the real world cap on it’s a whole different story. Heat will make an offer so for matching purposes it will be Ware, Jovic, JJJ, Herro, 2025 20th pick, 2030, 2032 and every possible swap we own. That will be our best offer with an extra expiring contract filler. We better hope and pray Hometown Herro is high on the Bucks wishlist.

[Heat3]

Not getting him without giving up Bam. Doubt he wants to be here without Bam too. I didn't see it.

I'd give up Bam for him in a second. He may prefer to play with Bam, who wouldn't? But if he gets traded for Bam he'll still play.

Riley is not trading Bam for Giannis. Giannis doesn’t want to come here under those circumstances either. Just a major conflict of interest all the way around. Why would the agent be involved in getting his client to Miami while screwing over another getting shipped to a rebuilding Milwaukee. Makes no damn sense. In the dreamer Heat fandom world in makes all the sense in the world but with the real world cap on it’s a whole different story. Heat will make an offer so for matching purposes it will be Ware, Jovic, JJJ, Herro, 2025 20th pick, 2030, 2032 and every possible swap we own. That will be our best offer with an extra expiring contract filler. We better hope and pray Hometown Herro is high on the Bucks wishlist.

Why does the agent have a say in it? They don't have any actual power in determining the pieces that are moved. Dame's agent sure proved that. Sure there is professional courtesy from the team's involved but he can't veto a trade or determine who is involved in what. It's what the team's GMs decide. If his client says Miami is one of the team's I want to go to, it is his professional obligation to work to make that happen. It doesn't stop because he has a client on the opposing team that might be who gets traded. I believe Pau and Marc Gasol had the same agent when they were traded for each other. You don't think Pau would have wanted to play with his brother? Probably a lot more than Giannis and Bam would want to. What about Luka getting traded? No one asked him what he wanted. He just got told he was traded. That is the reality.

Giannis may say trade me but not to Miami if Bam is included and the Bucks may "do right by him" because of what he means to them. But there is no obligation to do it. If they feel Bam is in the best return I can totally see them trading Giannis here then saying "he wanted to go to Miami and we made it happen". Just like the Blazers said "Dame may have preferred Miami but we still sent him to a good situation to play with Giannis". Once the trade was complete the players moved on.

Realistically, I don't think Giannis will ask to be traded at all. But he's under contract for 2 years. He will play with whatever team he gets sent to if traded, then most likely sign an extension because that's how to get the most money. Just like Donovan Mitchell did.

[oreon]

Not getting him without giving up Bam. Doubt he wants to be here without Bam too. I didn't see it.

I'd give up Bam for him in a second. He may prefer to play with Bam, who wouldn't? But if he gets traded for Bam he'll still play.

Riley is not trading Bam for Giannis. Giannis doesn’t want to come here under those circumstances either. Just a major conflict of interest all the way around. Why would the agent be involved in getting his client to Miami while screwing over another getting shipped to a rebuilding Milwaukee. Makes no damn sense. In the dreamer Heat fandom world in makes all the sense in the world but with the real world cap on it’s a whole different story. Heat will make an offer so for matching purposes it will be Ware, Jovic, JJJ, Herro, 2025 20th pick, 2030, 2032 and every possible swap we own. That will be our best offer with an extra expiring contract filler. We better hope and pray Hometown Herro is high on the Bucks wishlist.

Well if thats the best we can do, Heat fans should forget it. Bucks either owe a pick or a pick swap for the next couple seasons till 2031. They gotta get enough back to be a playoff team that means Bam has to be in the trade. If he isn't then scratch Miami off that list.
Bucks gotta answer to their own fans. They can't go through the next couple seasons sucking and gifting other teams lottery picks just to do Giannis a solid. If he's on the block, Bucks would need to get a ton back for him.