Bucks News, Transactions and Trade Ideas - 2025 Off-season

[th87]

You're acting as if being a fan has no emotion attached to it, and I don't believe you. Considering how attached you (and pretty much everyone who posts on this board) are to the Bucks, Brewers, Badgers, Packers, etc.

You're acting like being a fan is purely logical, as if emotion doesn't play a central role—and I don't buy it. If that were true, none of us would be here debating the Bucks, Brewers, Packers, or Badgers with the level of passion we bring.

Disappointment is part of the deal. Managing it is healthy. But pretending it doesn’t exist or brushing it off with cynicism? That energy doesn’t disappear, it just leaks out somewhere else.

I enjoy being a fan because of the hope aspect. It's why I love the NFL draft and college football, and I spend all summer watching and paying attention to Brewers minor league baseball. I don't see any path to hope with this Bucks team. Not since I realized that Dame and Giannis weren't going to work, and that the top of the East had passed them by. If I don't have hope, I don't see a reason to care.

But your existence in this thread demonstrates you do care. I say (and I **** hate this cliche but it's true) lean into that. Care. Frankly, apathy is rampant in culture right now and its cousin isolation is killing us. Do the Trainspotting "Choose Life" thing.

Dare. To. Care.

tyvm for coming to my Ted talk.

I love it. And aren't we supposed to enjoy the present, rather than constantly looking toward the future, especially if the present is amazing (in this area, anyway)?

[tedbrogen]

It’s funny that some are ignoring a good number of people are specifically saying to trade Giannis IF you get the Flagg pick. That removes all or most of the ability for Horst to screw up the drafting part of it.

It also puts you on a theoretical trajectory greater than the Magic since Flagg >>>>> Paolo.imo

And again, coaching a young team with no superstars is literally the one single thing Doc has demonstrated to be somewhat skillful at. So in a scenario where it seems like Horst and Doc are in place for at least the next two seasons (seems almost a certainty at this point) AND the Flagg pick is available in a Giannis trade (seems at least possible at this point), I’d do it and at least part of the motivation is to set Giannis free since this team will be first round ceiling the next two years.

Right. No one is saying trade him a bunch of mid round picks. I'm on record saying the Rockets offer has to START with Thompson, and that's far from enough. The Phoenix picks, possibly Tari or Smith Jr.

No one willing to trade Giannis is giving him away.

Yep. The floor is either Flagg or Amen. With Flagg, the rest of the package isn’t of that much of a concern to me. Anything else is a bonus. With Amen, it’s needs a lot of sweetener.

The funny thing is that is trade with the Rockets for say Amen, FVV, Smith Jr, other salary, and the Phoenix picks along with Rollins, AJG, KPJ, Bobby, and Sims probably gets you to the play-in next season. So first round ceiling, which is the exact ceiling of next year’s team with Giannis.

It also puts you in a position to not care that you are paying Dame and Kuz for zero production next season. They instead become $80M+ in expirings the next offseason.

[tedbrogen]

I enjoy being a fan because of the hope aspect. It's why I love the NFL draft and college football, and I spend all summer watching and paying attention to Brewers minor league baseball. I don't see any path to hope with this Bucks team. Not since I realized that Dame and Giannis weren't going to work, and that the top of the East had passed them by. If I don't have hope, I don't see a reason to care.

But your existence in this thread demonstrates you do care. I say (and I **** hate this cliche but it's true) lean into that. Care. Frankly, apathy is rampant in culture right now and its cousin isolation is killing us. Do the Trainspotting "Choose Life" thing.

Dare. To. Care.

tyvm for coming to my Ted talk.

I love it. And aren't we supposed to enjoy the present, rather than constantly looking toward the future, especially if the present is amazing (in this area, anyway)?

I wouldn’t define the last two year’s of watching the Bucks as “amazing”.

[PG Graveyard]

I don’t want to trade Giannis but if we do it better be for the biggest trade package in nba history.

[msiris]

But your existence in this thread demonstrates you do care. I say (and I **** hate this cliche but it's true) lean into that. Care. Frankly, apathy is rampant in culture right now and its cousin isolation is killing us. Do the Trainspotting "Choose Life" thing.

Dare. To. Care.

tyvm for coming to my Ted talk.

I love it. And aren't we supposed to enjoy the present, rather than constantly looking toward the future, especially if the present is amazing (in this area, anyway)?

I wouldn’t define the last two year’s of watching the Bucks as “amazing”.

it's sports. Not life. if team don't put a good product out there people won't care. I will care for now since the off season isn't really here yet. its seem hopeless because we are in a bad spot. Plus Doc is still here.

[Bernman]

It’s funny that some are ignoring a good number of people are specifically saying to trade Giannis IF you get the Flagg pick. That removes all or most of the ability for Horst to screw up the drafting part of it.

It also puts you on a theoretical trajectory greater than the Magic since Flagg >>>>> Paolo.imo

And again, coaching a young team with no superstars is literally the one single thing Doc has demonstrated to be somewhat skillful at. So in a scenario where it seems like Horst and Doc are in place for at least the next two seasons (seems almost a certainty at this point) AND the Flagg pick is available in a Giannis trade (seems at least possible at this point), I’d do it and at least part of the motivation is to set Giannis free since this team will be first round ceiling the next two years.

Right. No one is saying trade him a bunch of mid round picks. I'm on record saying the Rockets offer has to START with Thompson, and that's far from enough. The Phoenix picks, possibly Tari or Smith Jr.

No one willing to trade Giannis is giving him away.

Yep. The floor is either Flagg or Amen. With Flagg, the rest of the package isn’t of that much of a concern to me. Anything else is a bonus. With Amen, it’s needs a lot of sweetener.

The funny thing is that is trade with the Rockets for say Amen, FVV, Smith Jr, other salary, and the Phoenix picks along with Rollins, AJG, KPJ, Bobby, and Sims probably gets you to the play-in next season. So first round ceiling, which is the exact ceiling of next year’s team with Giannis.

It also puts you in a position to not care that you are paying Dame and Kuz for zero production next season. They instead become $80M+ in expirings the next offseason.

I think you should get a player/prospect/pick(s) of quality accompanying Flagg because Giannis is the proven guy who's ready now. The selling point to us has to be we can actually get a potential star who gets a supporting cast to boot.

Though in so far as that's concerned, what moving on to Flagg would empower you to do is then take on bad contracts for assets/picks. You can't do that if you're in win now mode w/ Giannis, or maybe even Amen. Flagg is our ideal building block, over Giannis, & especially Amen.

[msiris]

I don’t want to trade Giannis but if we do it better be for the biggest trade package in nba history.

And do we trust them too do that? Kuzma is an example. Scared

[ReasonablySober]

Hope is for teams that don't have a Giannis.

Hope is a 2028 lineup that goes

1 - CF - Luis Pena
2 - 3B - Jesus Made
3 - LF - Jackson Chourio
4 - 1B - Mike Boeve
5 - DH - Josh Adamczewski
6 - RF - Braylon Payne
7 - SS - Cooper Pratt
8 - C - Jeferson Quero
9 - 2B - Brice Turang

[PG Graveyard]

I don’t want to trade Giannis but if we do it better be for the biggest trade package in nba history.

And do we trust them too do that? Kuzma is an example. Scared

I don’t think they are going to even entertain trading him.

[drone3]

Really doubt whoever lands #1 spot will want to trade Flagg

[ShootingtheJ]

The idea of Jon Horst trying to execute a rebuild from scratch is so lost on me.

[engelmartin]

I don’t want to trade Giannis but if we do it better be for the biggest trade package in nba history.

My issue is that if it’s for draft picks, Horst is going to eff it up

[engelmartin]

Hope is for teams that don't have a Giannis.

Hope is a 2028 lineup that goes

1 - CF - Luis Pena
2 - 3B - Jesus Made
3 - LF - Jackson Chourio
4 - 1B - Mike Boeve
5 - DH - Josh Adamczewski
6 - RF - Braylon Payne
7 - SS - Cooper Pratt
8 - C - Jeferson Quero
9 - 2B - Brice Turang

And five starting pitchers

[emunney]

It’s funny that some are ignoring a good number of people are specifically saying to trade Giannis IF you get the Flagg pick. That removes all or most of the ability for Horst to screw up the drafting part of it.

It also puts you on a theoretical trajectory greater than the Magic since Flagg >>>>> Paolo.imo

And again, coaching a young team with no superstars is literally the one single thing Doc has demonstrated to be somewhat skillful at. So in a scenario where it seems like Horst and Doc are in place for at least the next two seasons (seems almost a certainty at this point) AND the Flagg pick is available in a Giannis trade (seems at least possible at this point), I’d do it and at least part of the motivation is to set Giannis free since this team will be first round ceiling the next two years.

Right. No one is saying trade him a bunch of mid round picks. I'm on record saying the Rockets offer has to START with Thompson, and that's far from enough. The Phoenix picks, possibly Tari or Smith Jr.

No one willing to trade Giannis is giving him away.

Yep. The floor is either Flagg or Amen. With Flagg, the rest of the package isn’t of that much of a concern to me. Anything else is a bonus. With Amen, it’s needs a lot of sweetener.

The funny thing is that is trade with the Rockets for say Amen, FVV, Smith Jr, other salary, and the Phoenix picks along with Rollins, AJG, KPJ, Bobby, and Sims probably gets you to the play-in next season. So first round ceiling, which is the exact ceiling of next year’s team with Giannis.

It also puts you in a position to not care that you are paying Dame and Kuz for zero production next season. They instead become $80M+ in expirings the next offseason.

This is a great illustration of the disconnect we have on this issue. You're implying here that Amen, FVV, and Jabari Smith are a rough on-court equivalent to Giannis next season. I don't think that's even close to true. But it helps me to understand where you're coming from.

[MickeyDavis]

Brewers fans always have to hope and pray, being in the bottom third of payroll. Minor leaguers are fun but most don't make it in the bigs.

[DanoMac]

Read on Twitter

This is such a RealGM thing. Cant believe we’re letting the reddit boys outshine us

(Astros are in town)

[Matches Malone]

Anything to do with the Astros being in town?

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

the argument not to trade giannis because whats the point of a young team with a 2nd round ceiling is literally the craziest motive for not trading him i could ever imagine.

isnt a young team with a 2nd round ceiling like the perfect running start to the next chapter?

In 2050, no one will remember or care whether the 2031 Bucks went 47-35 and got bounced by Boston in 5, or that they went 40-42 and got bounced by Boston in 4 a round earlier.

What they will remember is Giannis valiantly carrying the team for as long as he could and maybe breaking through when we hired a good coach.

i mean....we havent even been competitive in the first round for 3 years and recently have had those types of records anyway? nobody cares NOW? were a very embarrassing franchise right now and Giannis, like it or not, is kinda a big part of that and not all in a good way with how this has played out?

id also suggest like im not waiting until 2031. i think if we pulled off the right couple deals we could be better a whole lot sooner than 2031.

i guess i could see it both ways. im sooooo 50/50. If Giannis commits in blood than he stays. If he doesnt or I sense any waffling whatsoever then Im listening big time out there

[MickeyDavis]

Anything to do with the Astros being in town?

That's exactly what it is. They share the plane. More clickbait bs

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

Really doubt whoever lands #1 spot will want to trade Flagg

and1 this but i really think it depends on the team that lands that pick