2025 Regular/Offseason Season Thread Vol. 10

[Tim_Hardawayy]

Sorry everyone, let's lower the discourse here to school children, if we offer the mildest of criticism of any of our players it means we think they suck.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Sorry everyone, let's lower the discourse here to school children, if we offer the mildest of criticism of any of our players it means we think they suck.

All I did was answer a question, I’m not trying to upset you.

[Tim_Hardawayy]

Sorry everyone, let's lower the discourse here to school children, if we offer the mildest of criticism of any of our players it means we think they suck.

All I did was answer a question, I’m not trying to upset you.

I think you're a good poster and enjoy the regular updates you post here, I just think you're better than that. If I didn't I wouldn't respond.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

If you’re going to tell me arguably the best defender in the world, who has several deep playoff runs anchoring a top defense, is a major hub for our offense when it comes to scoring playmaking and using several screens a game to free guys up for great looks, shut down Embiid in the biggest games of our series, held giannis to like 2-18 from the field (while having a triple double) in the 4th quarters of games 4 and 5 to close them out while Jimmy was going crazy on offense, cooked the Celtics in games 1 and 2 of the 2023 ECF with Jimmy to even jump out to the 3-0 lead in the first place, closed out Boston with 32-14-6 in the bubble, single handedly took 1 in Boston in 2022 and was the only guy who went down swinging with Jimmy in game 7, etc (I can literally go on and on) doesn’t impact winning at all or hasn’t proven himself because you looked at a spreadsheet and it told you that or because he couldn’t shut down the best player in the world (actually think he defended Jokic and we defended the Nuggets better than anyone else did in those playoffs IIRC) then there’s not really any point in a discussion because that’s just a wild take and we’re not going to see eye to eye.

Not directed at you Timmy and sorry for being a smart ass but like I mentioned the discussion is just too far off on either side to even have a legitimate talk and I’m trying to tone it down so that’s why I didn’t even go into detail.

[Tim_Hardawayy]

The problem with Bam is that he shouldn't be a major hub for anyone's offense. The fact he's done it willingly out of necessity is admirable of him, but it's also a big reason we've looked so limited. There's enough of a sample size there that I'm comfortable saying now that Bam needs to touch the ball less, not more, on a great team, and I don't blame Bam for that at all, he's only doing what's required because we don't have the talent next to him to do more.

It would make Bam a better player to go back to being a mostly lob threat and occasional post-up, along with his improved spot-up shooting. And it would greatly improve the team. Of course, you need the talent to make that happen. And to be perfectly honest I do not think a KD is all that it would require, he gives you another iso guy but what we really need is a creator, a true offensive hub, and KD isn't that.

I think if you could add Luka to this core, that's probably a championship contender for sure. Would also probably lead the league in lob dunks between Bam/Ware. Antman would be great too though his passing is disappointing to me for a guy as talented as he is.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

The problem with Bam is that he shouldn't be a major hub for anyone's offense. The fact he's done it willingly out of necessity is admirable of him, but it's also a big reason we've looked so limited. There's enough of a sample size there that I'm comfortable saying now that Bam needs to touch the ball less, not more, on a great team, and I don't blame Bam for that at all, he's only doing what's required because we don't have the talent next to him to do more.

It would make Bam a better player to go back to being a mostly lob threat and occasional post-up, along with his improved spot-up shooting. And it would greatly improve the team. Of course, you need the talent to make that happen. And to be perfectly honest I do not think a KD is all that it would require, he gives you another iso guy but what we really need is a creator, a true offensive hub, and KD isn't that.

I think if you could add Luka to this core, that's probably a championship contender for sure. Would also probably lead the league in lob dunks between Bam/Ware. Antman would be great too though his passing is disappointing to me for a guy as talented as he is.

I don’t disagree with any of that and a lot of it are actually points I’ve been harping on for awhile. There’s no playmaker, Bams percentage of unassisted FGs is near the worst in the league, especially of higher volume bigs. It’s a major issue, when we want a bucket he has to self create majority of the time; that’s not good consistent offense for majority of the players in the league period. I’ve always been saying for a couple years we need to change his shot diet (like we did with Tyler this last year) into more shots in the restricted area and catch and shoot jumpers from 3, his efficiency would skyrocket imo but again; you probably need a playmaker for that to happen. It takes a more concerted effort to get your bigs involved than others.

[greg4012]

The problem with Bam is that he shouldn't be a major hub for anyone's offense. The fact he's done it willingly out of necessity is admirable of him, but it's also a big reason we've looked so limited. There's enough of a sample size there that I'm comfortable saying now that Bam needs to touch the ball less, not more, on a great team, and I don't blame Bam for that at all, he's only doing what's required because we don't have the talent next to him to do more.

It would make Bam a better player to go back to being a mostly lob threat and occasional post-up, along with his improved spot-up shooting. And it would greatly improve the team. Of course, you need the talent to make that happen. And to be perfectly honest I do not think a KD is all that it would require, he gives you another iso guy but what we really need is a creator, a true offensive hub, and KD isn't that.

I think if you could add Luka to this core, that's probably a championship contender for sure. Would also probably lead the league in lob dunks between Bam/Ware. Antman would be great too though his passing is disappointing to me for a guy as talented as he is.

People are confusing being a hub of an offense with being a primary scoring option. Hard to engage in quality discourse when people show lack of understanding of the actual game of basketball and defer everything to (1) FGA/ppg references and (2) catch-all advanced stats without context/understanding of the game.

"When has Bam impacted winning?" LMAO this fanbase doesn't deserve a player like Bam and deserves to experience perennial putrid defense.

[MettaWorldPanda]

Having someone like Kevin Durant on the floor makes the game 10 times easier for Bam and Herro to fit better into there roles. You could sign a Brogden or a Paul to play PG and we will instantly be a top 5 team in the East.

[Tim_Hardawayy]

The problem with Bam is that he shouldn't be a major hub for anyone's offense. The fact he's done it willingly out of necessity is admirable of him, but it's also a big reason we've looked so limited. There's enough of a sample size there that I'm comfortable saying now that Bam needs to touch the ball less, not more, on a great team, and I don't blame Bam for that at all, he's only doing what's required because we don't have the talent next to him to do more.

It would make Bam a better player to go back to being a mostly lob threat and occasional post-up, along with his improved spot-up shooting. And it would greatly improve the team. Of course, you need the talent to make that happen. And to be perfectly honest I do not think a KD is all that it would require, he gives you another iso guy but what we really need is a creator, a true offensive hub, and KD isn't that.

I think if you could add Luka to this core, that's probably a championship contender for sure. Would also probably lead the league in lob dunks between Bam/Ware. Antman would be great too though his passing is disappointing to me for a guy as talented as he is.

People are confusing being a hub of an offense with being a primary scoring option. Hard to engage in quality discourse when people show lack of understanding of the actual game of basketball and defer everything to (1) FGA/ppg references and (2) catch-all advanced stats without context/understanding of the game.

"When has Bam impacted winning?" LMAO this fanbase doesn't deserve a player like Bam and deserves to experience perennial putrid defense.

Anyone disrespecting his defense is taking it too far. But be clear what you mean by differentiating between offensive hub and primary scoring option? Because I'd argue Bam has had to be both in recent years for the Heat, and he isn't suited to those roles. I'd argue KD is a primary scoring option but not an offensive hub, and that's why he's not enough to make this team an actual contender.

To me an offensive hub is a guy you can run your sets through and produce a good possession regardless of who eventually puts the ball in the basket. I'd make the argument Jimmy Butler in recent years makes a better offensive hub than Kevin Durant, and there are some stats that would back me in that argument. I wanted to be critical of Jimmy over last night's GSW win, but even with his mediocre shooting he was usually making the right basketball play and producing open looks for their role players.

This team needs that. Tyler is closer to that in his decision making now, but his handle and toughness isn't enough to get it done consistently against tight D. Bam reads too slow and his handle also isn't good enough to be a full-time playmaker. KD I've watched enough over the years to know he's not going to make anything more than a basic pass and his handle is also just OK, he'll still create more open looks by virtue of his gravity but he's not going to carry the offense, and I don't know that Tyler/Bam is enough to do it with him.

I'll tell you one guy I can't stand that some of you have campaigned for, that I might be open to now, is Trae Young. If he could be reigned in and convinced not to take heat check 3's, at least. But they badly need a guy who can move the defense around, handle ball pressure, and make secondary/tertiary reads instead of just simple kickout passes.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Having someone like Kevin Durant on the floor makes the game 10 times easier for Bam and Herro to fit better into there roles. You could sign a Brogden or a Paul to play PG and we will instantly be a top 5 team in the East.

If you land KD give me CP, a guy just out there looking to make plays and knock down open 3s with a great basketball mind.

[Tim_Hardawayy]

Also my main issue with the KD talk is the assumption he's just going to get here without giving up anything of value. I don't see it without either Ware or multiple picks (possibly both) involved in the deal, and in that scenario if you aren't winning chips, you're mortgaging whatever future foundation you have for KD. Which I'm not a fan of.

But sure, if there's a magic hypothetical where we just dump contracts and Phoenix hands him to us, why not. Why not talk about getting Luka for nothing though if we're living in the land of magic hypotheticals?

[3ammy3uck3ts]

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[3ammy3uck3ts]

I will say if we’re going to trade for KD and make him defer to Tyler then yea it is a complete waste of time and resources.

[greg4012]

The problem with Bam is that he shouldn't be a major hub for anyone's offense. The fact he's done it willingly out of necessity is admirable of him, but it's also a big reason we've looked so limited. There's enough of a sample size there that I'm comfortable saying now that Bam needs to touch the ball less, not more, on a great team, and I don't blame Bam for that at all, he's only doing what's required because we don't have the talent next to him to do more.

It would make Bam a better player to go back to being a mostly lob threat and occasional post-up, along with his improved spot-up shooting. And it would greatly improve the team. Of course, you need the talent to make that happen. And to be perfectly honest I do not think a KD is all that it would require, he gives you another iso guy but what we really need is a creator, a true offensive hub, and KD isn't that.

I think if you could add Luka to this core, that's probably a championship contender for sure. Would also probably lead the league in lob dunks between Bam/Ware. Antman would be great too though his passing is disappointing to me for a guy as talented as he is.

People are confusing being a hub of an offense with being a primary scoring option. Hard to engage in quality discourse when people show lack of understanding of the actual game of basketball and defer everything to (1) FGA/ppg references and (2) catch-all advanced stats without context/understanding of the game.

"When has Bam impacted winning?" LMAO this fanbase doesn't deserve a player like Bam and deserves to experience perennial putrid defense.

Anyone disrespecting his defense is taking it too far. But be clear what you mean by differentiating between offensive hub and primary scoring option? Because I'd argue Bam has had to be both in recent years for the Heat, and he isn't suited to those roles. I'd argue KD is a primary scoring option but not an offensive hub, and that's why he's not enough to make this team an actual contender.

To me an offensive hub is a guy you can run your sets through and produce a good possession regardless of who eventually puts the ball in the basket. I'd make the argument Jimmy Butler in recent years makes a better offensive hub than Kevin Durant, and there are some stats that would back me in that argument. I wanted to be critical of Jimmy over last night's GSW win, but even with his mediocre shooting he was usually making the right basketball play and producing open looks for their role players.

This team needs that. Tyler is closer to that in his decision making now, but his handle and toughness isn't enough to get it done consistently against tight D. Bam reads too slow and his handle also isn't good enough to be a full-time playmaker. KD I've watched enough over the years to know he's not going to make anything more than a basic pass and his handle is also just OK, he'll still create more open looks by virtue of his gravity but he's not going to carry the offense, and I don't know that Tyler/Bam is enough to do it with him.

I'll tell you one guy I can't stand that some of you have campaigned for, that I might be open to now, is Trae Young. If he could be reigned in and convinced not to take heat check 3's, at least. But they badly need a guy who can move the defense around, handle ball pressure, and make secondary/tertiary reads instead of just simple kickout passes.

Yes Jimmy and Bam have a ton more overlap offensively than a player like Durant.

Jimmy has an excellent floor game. He's never really been the person to tilt the defense and create advantage because he's either (1) methodical in entering the paint or (2) physically forcing the issue to draw a foul. Jimmy protects (and steals) possessions immaculately. He's not an offensive engine and is not a floor spacer, but he's GREAT at controlling and shrinking the game.

While this isn't really relevant to the discussion at hand, me thinks one of the top 5 greatest offensive players the NBA has ever seen provides greater benefit to an offense than Jimmy Butler. Especially given the fact that Bam and Jimmy were always more of a forced fit offensively than a natural one. But, it doesn't mean that Miami doesn't also need to improve from league-worst perimeter creation (Durant would be a step in the right direction, but he's not the guy creating for everyone around him). Durant isn't what this discussion is about, he's just characteristic of a potentially available player that could help put things into balance.

You;re conflating like 20 different things and somehow made this a convo about Jimmy Butler when the underlying sentiment at hand was that Bam "doesn't impact winning". Which is nonsense (esp because defense is half the game).

Bam was actually his most impactful offensively when Miami was close to having a semblance of proper pecking order in terms of offensive creators/scorers, and guess what role Bam served during that time--he was the primary offensive hub through which all sets ran. Sometimes with the ball in his hands (esp DHOs), sometimes with him is the roll man or pop man, but he was involved in more actions than anyone else on the floor. As a result, Bam had multiple seasons with over 5 assists per game, was above league average in scoring efficiency and was appropriately right around 3rd in the pecking order in terms of FGAs.

Does that sound like someone that isn't an offensive hub or not crucially impacting the offense?

The fact that the impact on defense is just dismissed as an obvious "ok this doesn't warrant discussion because he's obviously elite on that end" but then results in a conclusion that "Bam doesn't impact winning" is beyond my comprehension.

[Tim_Hardawayy]

Yes Jimmy and Bam have a ton more overlap offensively than a player like Durant.

Jimmy has an excellent floor game. He's never really been the person to tilt the defense and create advantage because he's either (1) methodical in entering the paint or (2) physically forcing the issue to draw a foul. Jimmy protects (and steals) possessions immaculately. He's not an offensive engine and is not a floor spacer, but he's good at controlling and shrinking the game.

While this isn't really relevant to the discussion at hand, me thinks one of the top 5 greatest offensive players the NBA has ever seen provides greater benefit to an offense than Jimmy Butler. Especially given the fact that Bam and Jimmy were always more of a forced fit offensively than a natural one. But, it doesn't mean that Miami doesn't also need to improve from league-worst perimeter creation (Durant would be a step in the right direction, but he's not the guy creating for everyone around him). Durant isn't what this discussion is about, he's just characteristic of a potentially available player that could help put things into balance.

We're going to have to agree to disagree on this one. But I get why you feel the way you do about KD. I've always felt guys who cannot create and need to get the ball to do anything (Dirk is another one) get overrated by advanced metrics, because in the postseason its easier to take away guys who need to be fed the ball (same reason great bigs usually have a harder time there, Zo always struggled as the man in his time here). But I'll leave it at that because I know the conversation's about Bam.

You;re conflating like 20 different things and somehow made this a convo about Jimmy Butler when the underlying sentiment at hand was that Bam "doesn't impact winning". Which is nonsense (esp because defense is half the game).

You misunderstood the original posters point. He stated "winning at a high level", which is a critical qualifier to that statement. I understood what he meant, and apologies to vade if he feels I'm misinterpreting his own statement, but I took it to mean that while Bam does have a positive impact, in the postseason when the games get tougher, the things he does are often done better by other players, and he is forced to do them out of necessity on our rosters, which have traditionally been lacking in talent compared to other contenders.

Bam was actually his most impactful offensively when Miami was close to having a semblance of proper pecking order in terms of offensive creators/scorers, and guess what role Bam served during that time--he was the primary offensive hub through which all sets ran. Sometimes with the ball in his hands (esp DHOs), sometimes with him is the roll man or pop man, but he was involved in more actions than anyone else on the floor. As a result, Bam had multiple seasons with over 5 assists per game, was above league average in scoring efficiency and was appropriately right around 3rd in the pecking order in terms of FGAs.

Does that sound like someone that isn't an offensive hub or not crucially impacting the offense?

I would disagree he was the primary offensive hub, in fact I'd go so far as to argue the opposite, his best role was as the finisher. I'd describe the hub as Jimmy, which you more or less agreed with earlier in this post. I guess one thing I'd agree with is Jimmy/Bam had an overlap in roles, which is why they didn't always mesh as well together on the floor as the team probably would have preferred. But I've always felt the offense bogged down when it was Bam involved in everything as opposed to Jimmy.

For reference (and these stats are closer to basic boxscore than really advanced, so apologies and if you want to dig deeper I'd be interested in the numbers), Bam's offensive rating in our two best offensive seasons in his tenure here were 116 in 19-20, and 117 in 21-22 (team was at 112.5 and 113.7 those years, so he was about a +3.5 both seasons). Jimmy's by comparison was 123/124, roughly +10 both years. And yet the team still wasn't amazing as a whole offensively, finishing 7th/10th respectively, meaning even when Jimmy was the offensive hub we weren't good enough. So Bam really shouldn't be the engine if Jimmy can't be.

The fact that the impact on defense is just dismissed as an obvious "ok this doesn't warrant discussion because he's obviously elite on that end" but then results in a conclusion that "Bam doesn't impact winning" is beyond my comprehension.

Again you're misinterpreting my views, and possibly vade's as well though I don't want to speak for him. I was agreeing that Bam, on the offensive end only btw, has negligible impact at the highest levels on winning. And it's something we've got to consider when building a team, instead of expecting him to become something he's not.

[twix2500]

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“I do have to remind myself — the staff reminds me all the time — there’s just not a lot of guys other than OKC playing a lot of young guys in the playoffs,” Spoelstra said last week when asked about the development of 21-year-old Heat forward Nikola Jovic. “There’s not a lot that are playing 21-year-olds and 22-year-olds. Pelle [Larsson] is 24, Tyler [Herro] is 25 in a big role, Jaime [Jaquez Jr.] going through everything he went through and is 24, and Kel’el [Ware] literally just turned 21 during this series. But a lot of times when you’re trying to win in the playoffs, you need those guys to be their 27- and 28-year old version.”

“We’ll fast-track that as much as we possibly can,” Spoelstra continued on the Heat’s youth. “But the best way to fast-track it unfortunately is experience and really unfortunately is usually the painful experiences. That’s not to put anything on the young guys. This is all collective with us. But the part of the experiences being painful, well our organization has gone through it. Yes, we’ve been to the playoffs six straight years. But we have higher aspirations.”


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[unowen85]

Bam Stans vs. Heat fans debates are always entertaining.

[VaDe255]

Spoiler:

Yes Jimmy and Bam have a ton more overlap offensively than a player like Durant.

Jimmy has an excellent floor game. He's never really been the person to tilt the defense and create advantage because he's either (1) methodical in entering the paint or (2) physically forcing the issue to draw a foul. Jimmy protects (and steals) possessions immaculately. He's not an offensive engine and is not a floor spacer, but he's good at controlling and shrinking the game.

While this isn't really relevant to the discussion at hand, me thinks one of the top 5 greatest offensive players the NBA has ever seen provides greater benefit to an offense than Jimmy Butler. Especially given the fact that Bam and Jimmy were always more of a forced fit offensively than a natural one. But, it doesn't mean that Miami doesn't also need to improve from league-worst perimeter creation (Durant would be a step in the right direction, but he's not the guy creating for everyone around him). Durant isn't what this discussion is about, he's just characteristic of a potentially available player that could help put things into balance.

We're going to have to agree to disagree on this one. But I get why you feel the way you do about KD. I've always felt guys who cannot create and need to get the ball to do anything (Dirk is another one) get overrated by advanced metrics, because in the postseason its easier to take away guys who need to be fed the ball (same reason great bigs usually have a harder time there, Zo always struggled as the man in his time here). But I'll leave it at that because I know the conversation's about Bam.

You;re conflating like 20 different things and somehow made this a convo about Jimmy Butler when the underlying sentiment at hand was that Bam "doesn't impact winning". Which is nonsense (esp because defense is half the game).

You misunderstood the original posters point. He stated "winning at a high level", which is a critical qualifier to that statement. I understood what he meant, and apologies to vade if he feels I'm misinterpreting his own statement, but I took it to mean that while Bam does have a positive impact, in the postseason when the games get tougher, the things he does are often done better by other players, and he is forced to do them out of necessity on our rosters, which have traditionally been lacking in talent compared to other contenders.

Bam was actually his most impactful offensively when Miami was close to having a semblance of proper pecking order in terms of offensive creators/scorers, and guess what role Bam served during that time--he was the primary offensive hub through which all sets ran. Sometimes with the ball in his hands (esp DHOs), sometimes with him is the roll man or pop man, but he was involved in more actions than anyone else on the floor. As a result, Bam had multiple seasons with over 5 assists per game, was above league average in scoring efficiency and was appropriately right around 3rd in the pecking order in terms of FGAs.

Does that sound like someone that isn't an offensive hub or not crucially impacting the offense?

I would disagree he was the primary offensive hub, in fact I'd go so far as to argue the opposite, his best role was as the finisher. I'd describe the hub as Jimmy, which you more or less agreed with earlier in this post. I guess one thing I'd agree with is Jimmy/Bam had an overlap in roles, which is why they didn't always mesh as well together on the floor as the team probably would have preferred. But I've always felt the offense bogged down when it was Bam involved in everything as opposed to Jimmy.

For reference (and these stats are closer to basic boxscore than really advanced, so apologies and if you want to dig deeper I'd be interested in the numbers), Bam's offensive rating in our two best offensive seasons in his tenure here were 116 in 19-20, and 117 in 21-22 (team was at 112.5 and 113.7 those years, so he was about a +3.5 both seasons). Jimmy's by comparison was 123/124, roughly +10 both years. And yet the team still wasn't amazing as a whole offensively, finishing 7th/10th respectively, meaning even when Jimmy was the offensive hub we weren't good enough. So Bam really shouldn't be the engine if Jimmy can't be.

The fact that the impact on defense is just dismissed as an obvious "ok this doesn't warrant discussion because he's obviously elite on that end" but then results in a conclusion that "Bam doesn't impact winning" is beyond my comprehension.

Again you're misinterpreting my views, and possibly vade's as well though I don't want to speak for him. I was agreeing that Bam, on the offensive end only btw, has negligible impact at the highest levels on winning. And it's something we've got to consider when building a team, instead of expecting him to become something he's not.

Absolutely, agree with most of what you said. Of course Bam impacts winning nobody argues that.
Just not at the level we want him to, and this is where the FO has to build accordingly.

When Bam was at his best, he had over 35% of his shots come within 3 feet. This has decreased every year to below 25%.
This year, we finally saw a positive trend, he traded some of his mid-range shots for a 20% 3p frequency on acceptable efficiency. This is very important and will give him more options to be effective on the offensive end.

He absolutely can impact winning at a high level in the right role (we've seen it) and that role is when he doesn’t have to playmake or create his own shot offensively.

[Flash4thewin]

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“I do have to remind myself — the staff reminds me all the time — there’s just not a lot of guys other than OKC playing a lot of young guys in the playoffs,” Spoelstra said last week when asked about the development of 21-year-old Heat forward Nikola Jovic. “There’s not a lot that are playing 21-year-olds and 22-year-olds. Pelle [Larsson] is 24, Tyler [Herro] is 25 in a big role, Jaime [Jaquez Jr.] going through everything he went through and is 24, and Kel’el [Ware] literally just turned 21 during this series. But a lot of times when you’re trying to win in the playoffs, you need those guys to be their 27- and 28-year old version.”

“We’ll fast-track that as much as we possibly can,” Spoelstra continued on the Heat’s youth. “But the best way to fast-track it unfortunately is experience and really unfortunately is usually the painful experiences. That’s not to put anything on the young guys. This is all collective with us. But the part of the experiences being painful, well our organization has gone through it. Yes, we’ve been to the playoffs six straight years. But we have higher aspirations.”


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I forgot who said it but with Spo getting more power and say in personnel, he selected people who think like him. This is not ment as a compliment in this instance.

The i have to remind myself about teams not playing young players is just such bs. Teams play younger players in key spots so they grow and become better versions. The Celtics threw out Brown and Tatum for years, dealing with growing maturing pains and now they won a ring. The Cavs played their young guys and then they matured and gave us such an epic beat down this playoffs. We are what in year 4 of Jovic and we still honestly dont know what he is. Ware is a rookie, let the rookie make mistakes and learn from them on the court, that will make him a better player the next year. Even the Spurs who some say we emulate or are a kindred team actually play their rookies. Instead it’s always looking a bushes missing the big picture, the bushes here are just making the playoffs to get that playoff money, mission accomplished.

[NightWatch]

Lol if anyone thinks Butler on this Heat team would have beaten the Cavs.. we lost that series by an NBA record 122 points which is absurd. butler is not closing that gap..

We would have still gotten swept.

And with the way Butler was behaving, we dont even know what Butler would have shown up. We may not have even made it to the play in.

Now hes on TNT’s/ESPN’s golden boys team and with Curry, Butler has been able to repair his inage and theyre all actibg like what he was doing on the Heat never happened… but he was way wrong, he was ripped to shreds by former players and all of the media for his actions and even brought up the fact that this isnt new of hi. - hes done this before on 3 other teams.


Until yall realize that the Heat core of Herro and Bam is what is holding us back, you will never move on.

You can add Durant to this core and im not sure we are not in the play in again next year.

You cant add an all nba and all defensive talent like Giannis without giving up at least Bam and 3 firsts, but you all say Bam is untradeable, some of yall may even think Giannis and Bam is a wash

The core has got to be blown up, and rebuilt. And if this Heat squad ever comes to terms to that and are ready to trade everything (herro, bam, firsts, etc) theyve got for a real superstar, im here and all for it.

Adding some talent at the end of his career to this squad isnt going to do **** for us. So whats the plan?

did not you say that before when Miami were in the play in and heat ended up going all the way to the final? yet you still doubting Jimmy butler to step up big when necessary? its no wonder why jimmy bolted because nobody in Miami seems to appreciates him. If Warriors win the championship this year, let me know if you still think Heat wouldnt have defeated the Cavs. FYI, Cavs 0-2 vs IND.

Kevin durant is not worth to trade for because Kevin Durant for so many year with multiple teams and multiple all stars teammates, he couldn't win anything except with the Warriors. The only player that Heat should pursue is Kawhi Leonard because Kawhi Leonard has proven that he can win you championship with the right personnel otherwise go for total rebuild.