Around the League: 2024-25 Season

[thelead]

Wow... these PO games arw intense. Comeback wins galore

we are so far away from these teams offensively. I just can't see how we would consistently hit shots to keep up with these teams... which is why they're on vacation already

Eh. We match up against the Pacers well. Pushed Boston in most games even with way worse offense.. actually gave me hope that if we can play solid defense as always and just add A LITTLE more (and get Suggs/Moe back) then it'll be enough. Paolo and Franz have to keep progressing as offensive hubs as they age though.

The FO has to find a way to improve the offense so that the players can let up a little on defense. I think the level of defense is part of the problem on offense and with our injuries. But you're right. We need Paolo and Franz to improve more than anything else because if they don't, additions won't matter much when it comes to actually competing for a championship.

[KillMonger]

I don't gaf because if things didn't happen the way they did we wouldn't have ended up with Paolo and Franz

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You say this like they've accomplished something already.

Losing in the first round of the eastern conference in back to back years isnt a huge accomplishment.

as opposed to keeping AG and Vuc around for......what exactly?

[ORLMagicGirl15]

Man the pacers are getting so lucky playing all these injured teams last playoffs and now these playoffs. 2 free rides to the ecf... Why can't the magic get luck like that?

Would not matter. We cannot shoot. That’s how Pacers were able to take advantage of those opportunities.

[3ddman23]

Man the pacers are getting so lucky playing all these injured teams last playoffs and now these playoffs. 2 free rides to the ecf... Why can't the magic get luck like that?

Would not matter. We cannot shoot. That’s how Pacers were able to take advantage of those opportunities.

Maybe not this season but I think it would have absolutely matter last playoffs. The magic were firing pretty well at home last playoffs. If they had a little advantage of garland & mobley being out I think they win a game like game 5 last playoffs.

[pepe1991]

Man the pacers are getting so lucky playing all these injured teams last playoffs and now these playoffs. 2 free rides to the ecf... Why can't the magic get luck like that?

Would not matter. We cannot shoot. That’s how Pacers were able to take advantage of those opportunities.

Maybe not this season but I think it would have absolutely matter last playoffs. The magic were firing pretty well at home last playoffs. If they had a little advantage of garland & mobley being out I think they win a game like game 5 last playoffs.

Allen, Jerome and Wade were all out vs us.
Allen played 2-3 games, other two - non.

Pacers are lucky tho. Second year, same story

[SOUL]

Would not matter. We cannot shoot. That’s how Pacers were able to take advantage of those opportunities.

Maybe not this season but I think it would have absolutely matter last playoffs. The magic were firing pretty well at home last playoffs. If they had a little advantage of garland & mobley being out I think they win a game like game 5 last playoffs.

Allen, Jerome and Wade were all out vs us.
Allen played 2-3 games, other two - non.

Pacers are lucky tho. Second year, same story

Jerome was out entire year. JA played 4 games, Wade is like a 7th-8th man.. way diff from Garland/Mobley/Hunter out lol.

But injuries are part of game. Pacers are a tough team since they started playing defense.

[ogmagicfan]

I would be incredibly depressed if I was a Cavs fan after that game I cant lie

Go 64-18, be fairly healthy for the season, and right when playing your division rivals get hit with injury bug, then give up an 8-0 the last 1:30 to lose the game

Sucks

[basketballRob]

The Cavs were up by around 20 earlier in the half.

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[pepe1991]

Maybe not this season but I think it would have absolutely matter last playoffs. The magic were firing pretty well at home last playoffs. If they had a little advantage of garland & mobley being out I think they win a game like game 5 last playoffs.

Allen, Jerome and Wade were all out vs us.
Allen played 2-3 games, other two - non.

Pacers are lucky tho. Second year, same story

Jerome was out entire year. JA played 4 games, Wade is like a 7th-8th man.. way diff from Garland/Mobley/Hunter out lol.

But injuries are part of game. Pacers are a tough team since they started playing defense.

Jerome being out whole year doesn't really change fact he didn't play in playoffs.
Allen averaged 17 ppg, 14 rpg for 4 games and went down.
Dean Wade was only backup PF they had.

After Allen injury they had to slide Mobley to C and play both Tristan Thompson (49 games total, 11 mpg ) and Marcus Morris ( 10 days contract, 9 games in regular season for Cavs, out of nba since) because they flat out didn't have any bigs left. That's why they had to guard 6'10 Banchero with 6'5 Okoro.

This vs Pacers is worst especially because they had serious expectations.

All that said, injuries aside, if you are up by 7 and there are 48 sec to play, and you lose a game in regular time, you get what you f***ing deserve. For f*** sake they couldn't rebound FT, they allowed dunk putback of previous FT, than they don't foul with 13 sec to play up by 2. Like, wtf are you doing?
Complete and utter choke job.

And i still think Cavs can advance

[pepe1991]

Ofc Steph got hurt as well. FFS.

[VFX]

I don't gaf because if things didn't happen the way they did we wouldn't have ended up with Paolo and Franz

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You say this like they've accomplished something already.

Losing in the first round of the eastern conference in back to back years isnt a huge accomplishment.

as opposed to keeping AG and Vuc around for......what exactly?

What’s does that have to do with anything?

Any other number of scenarios could have led to a better combination of 3 top 8 picks should they have moved on faster or made better decisions.

[3ddman23]

Would not matter. We cannot shoot. That’s how Pacers were able to take advantage of those opportunities.

Maybe not this season but I think it would have absolutely matter last playoffs. The magic were firing pretty well at home last playoffs. If they had a little advantage of garland & mobley being out I think they win a game like game 5 last playoffs.

Allen, Jerome and Wade were all out vs us.
Allen played 2-3 games, other two - non.

Pacers are lucky tho. Second year, same story

Allen played first 4 games when the series was tied 2-2. Jerome was no were near the player he is today. Wade is just a random 8-9 man role players he isn't really a big time factor. No were near the same impact.

[Fortune Teller]

Man the pacers are getting so lucky playing all these injured teams last playoffs and now these playoffs. 2 free rides to the ecf... Why can't the magic get luck like that?

because they have an active FO and we don't

The Pacers can just as easily get injured.

Compared to the Magic? I would argue the Magic FO creates its own bad luck with injuries by re-signing chronically injured players instead of simply moving off of them when the opportunity arises. See Isaac, Wendell, Gary Harris. And I really hope Suggs doesn't end up in this category but let's be honest, he kinda already is based on his first 4 years in the league.

[Fortune Teller]

Wow... these PO games arw intense. Comeback wins galore

we are so far away from these teams offensively. I just can't see how we would consistently hit shots to keep up with these teams... which is why they're on vacation already

Eh. We match up against the Pacers well. Pushed Boston in most games even with way worse offense.. actually gave me hope that if we can play solid defense as always and just add A LITTLE more (and get Suggs/Moe back) then it'll be enough. Paolo and Franz have to keep progressing as offensive hubs as they age though.

Just add "a little" more? The Magic were the worst-shooting team in the first round by about a thousand miles. Like a complete outlier on any statistical chart. I agree with the Lead, I watch these playoff games and realize how far off we are, not how close we are. Who is taking and making that Haliburton shot on this roster? Or hitting those Brunson threes in Game 1 against Boston? The Pacers and Knicks went out and got Haliburton and Brunson, we got KCP and overpaid Isaac and Wendell.

The Celtics beat us 4-1 and the only win was a nail-biter at home that easily could've gone the other way. The series wasn't close. Pushing a team for 3 quarters and then getting dusted in the fourth is not an accomplishment. Stealing Game 1 on the road, like the Knicks and Pacers did, is an accomplishment, and each team did that with timely shooting. Not elite defense, not grit, but shooting.

Buddy Hield was available for so cheap last summer and the Warriors might not have advanced past Houston or won Game 1 of the Minnesota series without him. "But he doesn't play defense and he would take shots away from Paolo and Franz and AB!"

[pepe1991]

Maybe not this season but I think it would have absolutely matter last playoffs. The magic were firing pretty well at home last playoffs. If they had a little advantage of garland & mobley being out I think they win a game like game 5 last playoffs.

Allen, Jerome and Wade were all out vs us.
Allen played 2-3 games, other two - non.

Pacers are lucky tho. Second year, same story

Allen played first 4 games when the series was tied 2-2. Jerome was no were near the player he is today. Wade is just a random 8-9 man role players he isn't really a big time factor. No were near the same impact.

Allen dominated us. 17 ppg, 14 rpg , 1 apg, 1 spg, 1 bpg on 67% FG.

Ty Jerome is 28, he didn't "develop" into player he is today, he was just finally given bigger role, he is career 58% TS, 38% for 3 guy.
Just spent career behind household guard names like Booker, SGA, Steph so he was never given bigger role. At the end of a day, he was first round pick after all.

Dean Wade is rotation player, unlike Thompson and Morris they had to use because he was out.

Is losing Mobley AND Garland AND Hunter worst? Sure. But it's not like last year, against us they were healthy.

[SOUL]

Just add "a little" more? The Magic were the worst-shooting team in the first round by about a thousand miles. Like a complete outlier on any statistical chart. I agree with the Lead, I watch these playoff games and realize how far off we are, not how close we are. Who is taking and making that Haliburton shot on this roster? Or hitting those Brunson threes in Game 1 against Boston? The Pacers and Knicks went out and got Haliburton and Brunson, we got KCP and overpaid Isaac and Wendell.

The Celtics beat us 4-1 and the only win was a nail-biter at home that easily could've gone the other way. The series wasn't close. Pushing a team for 3 quarters and then getting dusted in the fourth is not an accomplishment. Stealing Game 1 on the road, like the Knicks and Pacers did, is an accomplishment, and each team did that with timely shooting. Not elite defense, not grit, but shooting.

Buddy Hield was available for so cheap last summer and the Warriors might not have advanced past Houston or won Game 1 of the Minnesota series without him. "But he doesn't play defense and he would take shots away from Paolo and Franz and AB!"

Hield was **** on all year by Warriors fans. KCP had done well in the playoffs before, all it takes is a few solid games from him and we are pushing the Celtics to 7 with our roster being just as injured. We blew several leads going into the half and into the 4th. So yes, a 41 win team pushing a 60+ win team to struggle in most of the games they were in does show we are not that far away PROVIDED the front office does something this offseason. Weltman has all but backed himself into a corner saying this is the time to do stuff, so we'll see.

We obviously need a lead guard, but Haliburton and Brunson are LITERALLY their best players. If what it takes to compete is having a top 4 point guard.. a lot of teams are screwed.

[Skybox]

Steph out for a week...that's pretty big

Maybe some crazy Playoff Jimmy heroics incoming...GSW is really fun again.

Poor Klay

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[basketballRob]

The Magic rubbed off on the Celtics

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[basketballRob]

I like this rant. In the end, he talks about how the Cavs call all the teams they play in the playoffs dirty.

They are ready to can Atkinson.

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