KD = Which 2025 1st?

[LarsV8]

OK

Of course trading FVV in a KD deal is really stupid. He's necessary for Houston, and adding KD doesn't mean you don't need a PG.

IMO Brooks has to be the main salary filler in a KD to Houston deal. FVV's essential to Houston and Pheonix won't want a SG in return. Houston's got forward depth and would be adding KD so Brooks is very movable - and he'd be useful with the suns.

Then it's just assets and secondary salary filler. Whitmore's probably moved as he'd help Phoenix some but isn't needed in Houston. Landale as salary matching (ideally dumped on a 3rd team with a TPE and room under the tax line). Then 1 or 2 main assets between #9, future PHX 1st, Smith, Eason, Sheppard.

I think the easiest way out of this is using Green as oppossed to FVV. With Durant you'll be in win now mode and will need a vet PG, meanwhile you can replicate Green chucker scoring with Whitmore at a fraction of the price. Dallas OTOH, needs a scorer like Green and can give up stuff to PHX in a 3 way:

Dallas: Gafford/Klay/2026 FRP-to PHX

PHX: Durant/#31-to HOU

HOU: Green-to Dallas
Jabari/Reed/#9/2027 FRP returned-to PHX

That math works, as does the value.

Luckily Dallas can’t trade a 2026 first. Dallas can replicate Green’s chucker scoring without trading a first.

I do think you could have just pawned Green off on Dallas if Phoenix didn’t want him.

It’s still obviously very Phoenix favored valuation for KD without the Dallas first.. But that’s between Houston and Phoenix and has nothing to do with Dallas being added to bleed more value for Phoenix.

This was just a response on Green and how I really doubt he’s worth a first.

Its not really between Houston and Phx either, just one guy hoping he can just repeat the same nonsense over and over and will it into existence.

Am I reading this right?

Gafford
2026 Dal #1
Klay
Reed
Jabari
2025 #9
2027 Phx Unprotected

for

Durant
2025 #31

[ReggiesKnicks]

Jabari/Reed/#9/2026 DAL 1st/2027 PHX 1st is a lot for KD (I have #30 worth less than any one of the 5 assets being sent to Phoenix here).

[K_chile22]

77% of votes are between 4-14, since 4-8 and 9-14 are so close id say consensus is in the 6-10 range. The deal is Jalen, Dillon and 9. Jalen can be dumped for expirings in all likelihood if he's seen as negative for PHX, Dillon should have good value, he's a really good wing defender that shoots 38% from 3 now (839 attempts is more than enough to stabilize, he's just a shooter now) and a pick in that range. I'm not comfortable doing more than that for a guy KDs age on an expiring deal who could not stay healthy recently and just has to be moved this off-season. Maybe you can pinch me hard enough I add Cam, but Reed, future picks, Jabari are a bridge too far for me.

Feel like Dillon is being treated as fodder in the discourse when he'd be PHX's best wing and is solidly a starting level player at a league wide position of need.

[jredsaz]

I don't think 20 and a future 1st would land a top 10 pick. I have 9 as easily the best individual asset of both offers.

That’s fair and it’s why I figure the Rockets would want to keep that over Jabari, Sheppard or Green. What’s the rockets offer without #9 in your opinion?

The thing with Houston and OKC that's tough with a guy like KD is neither team has much "filler salary" as pretty much every player under contract is useful so matching a salary as large as KD's inherently has them bidding against themselves just to match as multiple good players would need to be outgoing.

But that’s what a consolidation trade is. Trade multiple good players for a single better player.

[Slim Charless]

I think the easiest way out of this is using Green as oppossed to FVV. With Durant you'll be in win now mode and will need a vet PG, meanwhile you can replicate Green chucker scoring with Whitmore at a fraction of the price. Dallas OTOH, needs a scorer like Green and can give up stuff to PHX in a 3 way:

Dallas: Gafford/Klay/2026 FRP-to PHX

PHX: Durant/#31-to HOU

HOU: Green-to Dallas
Jabari/Reed/#9/2027 FRP returned-to PHX

That math works, as does the value.

Luckily Dallas can’t trade a 2026 first. Dallas can replicate Green’s chucker scoring without trading a first.

I do think you could have just pawned Green off on Dallas if Phoenix didn’t want him.

It’s still obviously very Phoenix favored valuation for KD without the Dallas first.. But that’s between Houston and Phoenix and has nothing to do with Dallas being added to bleed more value for Phoenix.

This was just a response on Green and how I really doubt he’s worth a first.

Its not really between Houston and Phx either, just one guy hoping he can just repeat the same nonsense over and over and will it into existence.

Am I reading this right?

Gafford
2026 Dal #1
Klay
Reed
Jabari
2025 #9
2027 Phx Unprotected

for

Durant
2025 #31

Klay is negative value. So that trade makes sense.

[Texas Chuck]

Klay is probably negative value. Barely. He's still a high volume accurate 3-pt shooter with size whom teams are terrified to leave so he's still one of the absolute best spacers in the Association. He's basically Grayson Allen with slightly worse defense at this point.

His inclusion does not justify multiple extra assets in a deal lol.

[Slim Charless]

Klay is probably negative value. Barely. He's still a high volume accurate 3-pt shooter with size whom teams are terrified to leave so he's still one of the absolute best spacers in the Association. He's basically Grayson Allen with slightly worse defense at this point.

His inclusion does not justify multiple extra assets in a deal lol.

Just yesterday you were admonishing me for calling out Lars saying Green is an excellent defender. Now you are sitting here saying he's not even worth Gafford,Klay and a 1st?? This is after you admit that Klay is a negative piece.

Which is it? Either he has value or he doesn't.

[jayjaysee]

I think Klay/Gafford for Green is pretty fair honestly.. Add Powell, or Prosper, to keep Dallas from the hard cap? If Houston doesn’t go star hunting, I sort of like that straight up for them. Adams replacement and Klay’s spacing to help Sengun/Amen..

I don’t think a team (as bad as Dallas or Phoenix) should trade a first for Green. Personally don’t think any team would.

[Texas Chuck]

Klay is probably negative value. Barely. He's still a high volume accurate 3-pt shooter with size whom teams are terrified to leave so he's still one of the absolute best spacers in the Association. He's basically Grayson Allen with slightly worse defense at this point.

His inclusion does not justify multiple extra assets in a deal lol.

Just yesterday you were admonishing me for calling out Lars saying Green is an excellent defender. Now you are sitting here saying he's not even worth Gafford,Klay and a 1st?? This is after you admit that Klay is a negative piece.

Which is it? Either he has value or he doesn't.

I called you out for mispresenting a post. You can value players however you want.

My issue here is with the return for KD. He isn't worth close to what you asked for and when you got push back your response was Klay is negative so its fair.

He's not that negative. And lets stay on the topic at hand maybe?

[Slim Charless]

Klay is probably negative value. Barely. He's still a high volume accurate 3-pt shooter with size whom teams are terrified to leave so he's still one of the absolute best spacers in the Association. He's basically Grayson Allen with slightly worse defense at this point.

His inclusion does not justify multiple extra assets in a deal lol.

Just yesterday you were admonishing me for calling out Lars saying Green is an excellent defender. Now you are sitting here saying he's not even worth Gafford,Klay and a 1st?? This is after you admit that Klay is a negative piece.

Which is it? Either he has value or he doesn't.

I called you out for mispresenting a post. You can value players however you want.

My issue here is with the return for KD. He isn't worth close to what you asked for and when you got push back your response was Klay is negative so its fair.

He's not that negative. And lets stay on the topic at hand maybe?

The topic is how Green is valued. Both in general and as it relates to a KD trade. So I am staying on the topic as that's what we are, and have been talking about.

Also Klay is negative value. You as a Mavs fan, no doubt see it differently. That's fine. Is he worth more or less than Green?

Lastly, you never answered my previous question about whether or not you think you can use Green. Are you avoiding cause I'm right I think he is a perfect fit for you. Your Mavs need scoring from the G spot next season. Am wrong or right?

Respectfully of course. So you don't hit me with a strike

[Texas Chuck]

The topic is how Green is valued. Both in general and as it relates to a KD trade. So I am staying on the topic as that's what we are, and have been talking about.

Also Klay is negative value. You as a Mavs fan, no doubt see it differently. That's fine. Is he worth more or less than Green?

Lastly, you never answered my previous question about whether or not you think you can use Green. Are you avoiding cause I'm right I think he is a perfect fit for you. Your Mavs need scoring from the G spot next season. Am wrong or right?

Respectfully of course. So you don't hit me with a strike

Don't even jokingly accuse me of issuing strikes because we have different opinions on basketball please. Sadly too many posters don't understand thats a joke and really think moderators have it in for them based on a difference of basketball opinion which is just stupid.

I've answered the Green question before, maybe itt, maybe in a different one. He can score, but he's way down my list of targets because Dallas needs someone who can also create for others, not at all his strong suit.

And Klay is negative. I have repeatedly acknowledged this. And I actually am pretty able to acknowledge when Mavs players have no or negative value. I'm all over this board every single day saying as such. But its minor. He's very playable as an elite spacer. Maybe $3-4M a year overpaid. Not the kind of contract where a team deserves a bunch of extra assets for taking on. But your valuation and explanation indicated you thought the Suns were due at least 2 first round picks for taking him on. That just isn't close.

[Slim Charless]

The topic is how Green is valued. Both in general and as it relates to a KD trade. So I am staying on the topic as that's what we are, and have been talking about.

Also Klay is negative value. You as a Mavs fan, no doubt see it differently. That's fine. Is he worth more or less than Green?

Lastly, you never answered my previous question about whether or not you think you can use Green. Are you avoiding cause I'm right I think he is a perfect fit for you. Your Mavs need scoring from the G spot next season. Am wrong or right?

Respectfully of course. So you don't hit me with a strike

Don't even jokingly accuse me of issuing strikes because we have different opinions on basketball please. Sadly too many posters don't understand thats a joke and really think moderators have it in for them based on a difference of basketball opinion which is just stupid.

I've answered the Green question before, maybe itt, maybe in a different one. He can score, but he's way down my list of targets because Dallas needs someone who can also create for others, not at all his strong suit.

And Klay is negative. I have repeatedly acknowledged this. And I actually am pretty able to acknowledge when Mavs players have no or negative value. I'm all over this board every single day saying as such. But its minor. He's very playable as an elite spacer. Maybe $3-4M a year overpaid. Not the kind of contract where a team deserves a bunch of extra assets for taking on. But your valuation and explanation indicated you thought the Suns were due at least 2 first round picks for taking him on. That just isn't close.

No. I think that Gafford, Klay and a 1st is a fair offer for him. I just think the offense will be lacking next year and AD will need some help to open things up for him from outside.

[NYG]

I will give you Jalen Green, Jock Landale and the 2025 Phoenix pick provided it doesn't jump top 4.

That would be my only offer for Kevin Durant. You might be able to haggle 2 additional 2nd round picks, but unlikely.

You were pretty close right off the bat

[LarsV8]

I will give you Jalen Green, Jock Landale and the 2025 Phoenix pick provided it doesn't jump top 4.

That would be my only offer for Kevin Durant. You might be able to haggle 2 additional 2nd round picks, but unlikely.

You were pretty close right off the bat

This thread was definitely a journey.

Someone should probably check on Slim Charles.

[cpower]

77% of votes are between 4-14, since 4-8 and 9-14 are so close id say consensus is in the 6-10 range. The deal is Jalen, Dillon and 9. Jalen can be dumped for expirings in all likelihood if he's seen as negative for PHX, Dillon should have good value, he's a really good wing defender that shoots 38% from 3 now (839 attempts is more than enough to stabilize, he's just a shooter now) and a pick in that range. I'm not comfortable doing more than that for a guy KDs age on an expiring deal who could not stay healthy recently and just has to be moved this off-season. Maybe you can pinch me hard enough I add Cam, but Reed, future picks, Jabari are a bridge too far for me.

Feel like Dillon is being treated as fodder in the discourse when he'd be PHX's best wing and is solidly a starting level player at a league wide position of need.

bravo