Kuzma and Connaughton for Grant + 2nds

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Re: Kuzma and Connaughton for Grant + 2nds 

Post#21 » by Myth » Tue May 6, 2025 7:35 pm

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zzaj wrote:Despite what Cronin thinks, the Blazers aren't really in any kind of place to be giving away picks for non-upgrades.

My thing is I don’t highly value 2nd rounders and cap space may be used to increase trade flexibility that may result in longer term upgrades.


Sure...I just don't think the flexibility gained in trading for one year less of a known player who is not a malcontent, and who actually compliments what the team is trying to do, despite the roster crunch, is worth two non-value players, one of which is a known malcontent and 2nd round pick assets.

Believe me. I want Grant gone as much as anybody...I just think there may be better options available than this. Especially if the Blazers end up keeping Grant for another year and he rehabs a bit of value and is on 1 less year of contract.


It isn't just 1 year less though. It is $14M less in 2026-27 AND $36.4M less in 2027-28 (if Grant opts in). 2 2nds to save that much on what is expected to be a bench player is great IMO. I don't like Kuzma either. I'd be fine if he never plays for the Blazers, but I actually think if he does, he is more likely to rehab his value as a shorter contract at $20M in his last year of his contract than Grant is with an extra year at $36M. That extra cap space could be used to bring back much better picks than the 2 we are sending out, or bring in a younger under contract player that a team needs to move off to avoid tax. I'd be for keeping Grant over Kuzma if we planned on competing in the next couple seasons, but I don't think we are close to doing that, so I make the move that has higher upside of trading for long term pieces and better assets.
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Re: Kuzma and Connaughton for Grant + 2nds 

Post#22 » by zzaj » Tue May 6, 2025 9:13 pm

Myth wrote:
zzaj wrote:
Myth wrote:My thing is I don’t highly value 2nd rounders and cap space may be used to increase trade flexibility that may result in longer term upgrades.


Sure...I just don't think the flexibility gained in trading for one year less of a known player who is not a malcontent, and who actually compliments what the team is trying to do, despite the roster crunch, is worth two non-value players, one of which is a known malcontent and 2nd round pick assets.

Believe me. I want Grant gone as much as anybody...I just think there may be better options available than this. Especially if the Blazers end up keeping Grant for another year and he rehabs a bit of value and is on 1 less year of contract.


It isn't just 1 year less though. It is $14M less in 2026-27 AND $36.4M less in 2027-28 (if Grant opts in). 2 2nds to save that much on what is expected to be a bench player is great IMO. I don't like Kuzma either. I'd be fine if he never plays for the Blazers, but I actually think if he does, he is more likely to rehab his value as a shorter contract at $20M in his last year of his contract than Grant is with an extra year at $36M. That extra cap space could be used to bring back much better picks than the 2 we are sending out, or bring in a younger under contract player that a team needs to move off to avoid tax. I'd be for keeping Grant over Kuzma if we planned on competing in the next couple seasons, but I don't think we are close to doing that, so I make the move that has higher upside of trading for long term pieces and better assets.


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Re: Kuzma and Connaughton for Grant + 2nds 

Post#23 » by BlazersBroncos » Tue May 6, 2025 9:58 pm

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Astaluego wrote:Alternatively, if the Blazers don't want to do it... Kuzma to the Bulls for P. Williams and 2/3 SRP?

Then the Bucks send Lillard + 3 SRP (Bulls) + 2 SRP (Their own) to the Wizards for Smart/Poole.


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Lavine+Smart


I really like the idea of the Kuzma/Williams swap for Chicago to get out of some of the additional years and Portland to get a younger player who could possible use a change of scenery!


I like the idea as well. I think gambling on Pat Williams at this cost is a prudent move for a team like PDX.

MIL - Kuzma + Connaughton for Grant
CHI - Pat for Kuzma
PDX - Grant for Pat + Connaughton
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Re: Kuzma and Connaughton for Grant + 2nds 

Post#24 » by Myth » Wed May 7, 2025 12:12 am

BlazersBroncos wrote:
babyjax13 wrote:
Astaluego wrote:Alternatively, if the Blazers don't want to do it... Kuzma to the Bulls for P. Williams and 2/3 SRP?

Then the Bucks send Lillard + 3 SRP (Bulls) + 2 SRP (Their own) to the Wizards for Smart/Poole.


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Lavine+Smart


I really like the idea of the Kuzma/Williams swap for Chicago to get out of some of the additional years and Portland to get a younger player who could possible use a change of scenery!


I like the idea as well. I think gambling on Pat Williams at this cost is a prudent move for a team like PDX.

MIL - Kuzma + Connaughton for Grant
CHI - Pat for Kuzma
PDX - Grant for Pat + Connaughton

I’m torn on this. I’ve never been a Pat Will believer. His salary is more reasonable than Grant’s as a backup, but I don’t like that it takes longer to get off the books.
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Re: Kuzma and Connaughton for Grant + 2nds 

Post#25 » by JAR69 » Wed May 7, 2025 12:34 am

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Astaluego wrote:Alternatively, if the Blazers don't want to do it... Kuzma to the Bulls for P. Williams and 2/3 SRP?

Then the Bucks send Lillard + 3 SRP (Bulls) + 2 SRP (Their own) to the Wizards for Smart/Poole.


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Lavine+Smart

lol

The Wizards are giving away Poole and Smart, and taking on an additional $25M in salary and aren't even getting a single FRP out of it? The Wizards don't exist to solve the problems of other franchises.

Heck, this isn't even a good trade if Lillard is healthy.


I was playing with a similar trade, but it would be Poole/Holmes for Lillard and MIL 31 (unprotected). It's true the Wizards would be taking on $50 million in salary. But Poole risks the tank for 25-26, and if Dame gets healthy (with no pressure to come back quickly), the Wizards get a first ballot HOFer for the season when they are likely to be trying to be good. A bit like Paul Pierce. My strong guess is neither team would go for it - Milwaukee would want to keep the pick and hope that Lillard is healed for the playoffs, and the Wizards wouldn't want to give up that much for a FRP and the possibility that a 36 year old gets healthy. Frankly, I'm not sold the Wizards should do it, but throwing it out there.
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Re: Kuzma and Connaughton for Grant + 2nds 

Post#26 » by nate33 » Wed May 7, 2025 12:50 am

JAR69 wrote:
nate33 wrote:
Astaluego wrote:Alternatively, if the Blazers don't want to do it... Kuzma to the Bulls for P. Williams and 2/3 SRP?

Then the Bucks send Lillard + 3 SRP (Bulls) + 2 SRP (Their own) to the Wizards for Smart/Poole.


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Lavine+Smart

lol

The Wizards are giving away Poole and Smart, and taking on an additional $25M in salary and aren't even getting a single FRP out of it? The Wizards don't exist to solve the problems of other franchises.

Heck, this isn't even a good trade if Lillard is healthy.


I was playing with a similar trade, but it would be Poole/Holmes for Lillard and MIL 31 (unprotected). It's true the Wizards would be taking on $50 million in salary. But Poole risks the tank for 25-26, and if Dame gets healthy (with no pressure to come back quickly), the Wizards get a first ballot HOFer for the season when they are likely to be trying to be good. A bit like Paul Pierce. My strong guess is neither team would go for it - Milwaukee would want to keep the pick and hope that Lillard is healed for the playoffs, and the Wizards wouldn't want to give up that much for a FRP and the possibility that a 36 year old gets healthy. Frankly, I'm not sold the Wizards should do it, but throwing it out there.

Lillard is done. He has already lost the ability to play any defense whatsoever. Now add an Achilles tear and 15 more months of aging and by the 2026-27 season, he won't even be as good as Jordan Poole while costing twice as much.

I might do it for that 2031 unprotected, but I sure as hell wouldn't do it for a collection of SRP's.
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Re: Kuzma and Connaughton for Grant + 2nds 

Post#27 » by DaVoiceMaster » Thu May 8, 2025 2:45 am

Grant had a piss poor season because he does not want to be in Portland on a rebuilding team. He's like 31 now so he wants to win. His attitude overshadowed his game. Put him in a better situation and his game will come back. Who is willing to take that gamble though?
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Re: Kuzma and Connaughton for Grant + 2nds 

Post#28 » by babyjax13 » Thu May 8, 2025 4:03 am

DaVoiceMaster wrote:Grant had a piss poor season because he does not want to be in Portland on a rebuilding team. He's like 31 now so he wants to win. His attitude overshadowed his game. Put him in a better situation and his game will come back. Who is willing to take that gamble though?

I think teams like Dallas and Milwaukee who are desperate for talent that doesn't require a large outlay of assets make sense (well, obviously I think this re: Milwaukee). But I could see something like Klay + Martin as the foundation of a deal for Dallas?
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