2025 Regular/Offseason Season Thread Vol. 10

[greg4012]

KD is not even what we need exactly.

He's an elite scorer, but not an elite creator for others. not a great passer. That's even a bigger need for us for this roster.

A Trey young that can defend better, or a Hali..that kind of engine.

I feel like we need both. We don't have enough of a consistent scoring threat outside of Herro that a team would ever game plan for, and we also need someone to initiate the offense and create so they can primarily focus on scoring.

If KD is the target, the offseason plan has to include KD + a starting PG or at least combo guard who can handle the ball when pressed and get into the paint. Maybe revisit a trade with the Jazz for Clarkson or Sexton and Collins.

Agreed



Finding a way to turn the red outlined $70M in allotted payroll (50% of the salary cap) into productive and complementary contributions to the roster is the name of the game. Fortunately, Rozier and Robinson are expiring after next season. Wiggins has another year, but he's actually not a bad contract just not a good allocation of cap for a team built like Miami currently. Trading some youth on bargain contracts and draft capital is likely needed to move any big deal forward. If not, 2026 it is.

[RexBoyWonder]

KD is not even what we need exactly.

He's an elite scorer, but not an elite creator for others. not a great passer. That's even a bigger need for us for this roster.

A Trey young that can defend better, or a Hali..that kind of engine.

But that’s a tough ask, there’s not many guys that are threats for 30-12 a night AND play good defense in your comparison to needing a Trae. There aren’t many Halis available either. We’re going to have to get that from a combination of players, KD can give you the scoring of those 2 and then some while taking loads of pressure off others. Then we need to sign a veteran playmaking PG for the added playmaking like a CP or someone, I haven’t checked the vet PG free agent market out much yet.

You could try and trade for a Trae but if Herro isn’t gone they’re just going to be hunted into oblivion in the playoffs again. You could go after Ja, I’d be cool with that. Those are really your only 2 options to get a semblance of what you’re looking for in 1 guy.

Well, to be honest the more I think about it the more I think Trey Young should really be considered.

I think he's a legit offensive engine, not because he's an elite scorer (he's not, but he's a good one) but because he would create a ton of points for every other player on the roster - most of them aren't capable of creating for themselfs.

Now, the Trey + Herro combo ON DEFENSE should get very ugly. But I do wonder, If Ware take a big step defensively (he has elite tools), Bam stays elite - and You tell Wiggins to focus his energy on defense (he should be a high level defender at least) Could it work well enough to be a decent defense and a a very good offense?

I'm not in love with the idea, but honestly it's better then getting 37YO KD, or doing nothing. I see on other better option they gambling on the Trey/Herro combo and hope Spo can magically make the defense decent enough.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

KD is not even what we need exactly.

He's an elite scorer, but not an elite creator for others. not a great passer. That's even a bigger need for us for this roster.

A Trey young that can defend better, or a Hali..that kind of engine.

But that’s a tough ask, there’s not many guys that are threats for 30-12 a night AND play good defense in your comparison to needing a Trae. There aren’t many Halis available either. We’re going to have to get that from a combination of players, KD can give you the scoring of those 2 and then some while taking loads of pressure off others. Then we need to sign a veteran playmaking PG for the added playmaking like a CP or someone, I haven’t checked the vet PG free agent market out much yet.

You could try and trade for a Trae but if Herro isn’t gone they’re just going to be hunted into oblivion in the playoffs again. You could go after Ja, I’d be cool with that. Those are really your only 2 options to get a semblance of what you’re looking for in 1 guy.

Well, to be honest the more I think about it the more I think Trey Young should really be considered.

I think he's a legit offensive engine, not because he's an elite scorer (he's not, but he's a good one) but because he would create a ton of points for every other player on the roster - most of them aren't capable of creating for themselfs.

Now, the Trey + Herro combo ON DEFENSE should get very ugly. But I do wonder, If Ware take a big step defensively (he has elite tools), Bam stays elite - and You tell Wiggins to focus his energy on defense (he should be a high level defender at least) Could it work well enough to be a decent defense and a a very good offense?

I'm not in love with the idea, but honestly it's better then getting 37YO KD, or doing nothing. I see on other better option they gambling on the Trey/Herro combo and hope Spo can magically make the defense decent enough.

I’m definitely down for Trae, he’d be the most skilled offensive player on the roster pretty easily. See what happens with him on the roster and go from there, I’d try to get off Wiggins too though

[greg4012]

I don't expect ATL to shop Trae. I'm OK with the idea of pursuing for the right price. Any build with Trae requires flipping Tyler for better fitting pieces.

[Lennyzinho]

KD is not even what we need exactly.

He's an elite scorer, but not an elite creator for others. not a great passer. That's even a bigger need for us for this roster.

A Trey young that can defend better, or a Hali..that kind of engine.

I feel like we need both. We don't have enough of a consistent scoring threat outside of Herro that a team would ever game plan for, and we also need someone to initiate the offense and create so they can primarily focus on scoring.

If KD is the target, the offseason plan has to include KD + a starting PG or at least combo guard who can handle the ball when pressed and get into the paint. Maybe revisit a trade with the Jazz for Clarkson or Sexton and Collins.

Agreed



Finding a way to turn the red outlined $70M in allotted payroll (50% of the salary cap) into productive and complementary contributions to the roster is the name of the game. Fortunately, Rozier and Robinson are expiring after next season. Wiggins has another year, but he's actually not a bad contract just not a good allocation of cap for a team built like Miami currently. Trading some youth on bargain contracts and draft capital is likely needed to move any big deal forward. If not, 2026 it is.

Id lower that box one more row and include Kyle anderson. I dont want him playing over jovic or ware minutes. Depends on what other moves we make ofc.

[Vertical Limit]

I feel like we need both. We don't have enough of a consistent scoring threat outside of Herro that a team would ever game plan for, and we also need someone to initiate the offense and create so they can primarily focus on scoring.

If KD is the target, the offseason plan has to include KD + a starting PG or at least combo guard who can handle the ball when pressed and get into the paint. Maybe revisit a trade with the Jazz for Clarkson or Sexton and Collins.

Agreed



Finding a way to turn the red outlined $70M in allotted payroll (50% of the salary cap) into productive and complementary contributions to the roster is the name of the game. Fortunately, Rozier and Robinson are expiring after next season. Wiggins has another year, but he's actually not a bad contract just not a good allocation of cap for a team built like Miami currently. Trading some youth on bargain contracts and draft capital is likely needed to move any big deal forward. If not, 2026 it is.

Id lower that box one more row and include Kyle anderson. I dont want him playing over jovic or ware minutes. Depends on what other moves we make ofc.

We need anderson and love out of here along with the three in that box

[Lennyzinho]

Agreed



Finding a way to turn the red outlined $70M in allotted payroll (50% of the salary cap) into productive and complementary contributions to the roster is the name of the game. Fortunately, Rozier and Robinson are expiring after next season. Wiggins has another year, but he's actually not a bad contract just not a good allocation of cap for a team built like Miami currently. Trading some youth on bargain contracts and draft capital is likely needed to move any big deal forward. If not, 2026 it is.

Id lower that box one more row and include Kyle anderson. I dont want him playing over jovic or ware minutes. Depends on what other moves we make ofc.

We need anderson and love out of here along with the three in that box

83M tied up with those donkeys.
Gd Pat, better work some magic homie.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

I don't expect ATL to shop Trae. I'm OK with the idea of pursuing for the right price. Any build with Trae requires flipping Tyler for better fitting pieces.

Assets to a 3rd team for KD?

Trae
???
KD
Bam
Ware

[3ammy3uck3ts]

I’ll be consulting with Randy Embry later today to tell him to tell Patrick Heat Nation DEMANDS a star by summer 2026 at the latest to bring us into contention and will give him a list of names.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

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[Vertical Limit]

Id lower that box one more row and include Kyle anderson. I dont want him playing over jovic or ware minutes. Depends on what other moves we make ofc.

We need anderson and love out of here along with the three in that box

83M tied up with those donkeys.
Gd Pat, better work some magic homie.

Fortunately of that list, the only ones we need expirings for is Wiggins and Anderson.. we can buy out or keep love, rozier, robinson for 2025 and not extend.. 2026 is what is on my mind..

I am not willing to attach any pick just to get expirings for any of kyle or wiggins... we need our firsts for any potential trades for a superstar

[Flash4thewin]

KD is not even what we need exactly.

He's an elite scorer, but not an elite creator for others. not a great passer. That's even a bigger need for us for this roster.

A Trey young that can defend better, or a Hali..that kind of engine.

I feel like we need both. We don't have enough of a consistent scoring threat outside of Herro that a team would ever game plan for, and we also need someone to initiate the offense and create so they can primarily focus on scoring.

If KD is the target, the offseason plan has to include KD + a starting PG or at least combo guard who can handle the ball when pressed and get into the paint. Maybe revisit a trade with the Jazz for Clarkson or Sexton and Collins.

Agreed



Finding a way to turn the red outlined $70M in allotted payroll (50% of the salary cap) into productive and complementary contributions to the roster is the name of the game. Fortunately, Rozier and Robinson are expiring after next season. Wiggins has another year, but he's actually not a bad contract just not a good allocation of cap for a team built like Miami currently. Trading some youth on bargain contracts and draft capital is likely needed to move any big deal forward. If not, 2026 it is.

It’s a little more complicated. We need Terry and Duncan to expire without taking on any salary to keep the fantasy of 2026 alive. Remember Wiggins and his near 30 mil will be on the books as well as whatever Mitchell gets paid.

[greg4012]

I feel like we need both. We don't have enough of a consistent scoring threat outside of Herro that a team would ever game plan for, and we also need someone to initiate the offense and create so they can primarily focus on scoring.

If KD is the target, the offseason plan has to include KD + a starting PG or at least combo guard who can handle the ball when pressed and get into the paint. Maybe revisit a trade with the Jazz for Clarkson or Sexton and Collins.

Agreed



Finding a way to turn the red outlined $70M in allotted payroll (50% of the salary cap) into productive and complementary contributions to the roster is the name of the game. Fortunately, Rozier and Robinson are expiring after next season. Wiggins has another year, but he's actually not a bad contract just not a good allocation of cap for a team built like Miami currently. Trading some youth on bargain contracts and draft capital is likely needed to move any big deal forward. If not, 2026 it is.

It’s a little more complicated. We need Terry and Duncan to expire without taking on any salary to keep the fantasy of 2026 alive. Remember Wiggins and his near 30 mil will be on the books as well as whatever Mitchell gets paid.

There are various fantasies that can be served. Lucking into a fortunate trade this offseason would likely derail a 2026 free agency fantasy tho.

The end goal shouldn't be to be singular in an approach. It's to have optionality when the right opportunity presents itself.

You'll note everything you mention is accounted for in my post (see bolded)

[lastb1ckman]

KD is not even what we need exactly.

He's an elite scorer, but not an elite creator for others. not a great passer. That's even a bigger need for us for this roster.

A Trey young that can defend better, or a Hali..that kind of engine.

I feel like we need both. We don't have enough of a consistent scoring threat outside of Herro that a team would ever game plan for, and we also need someone to initiate the offense and create so they can primarily focus on scoring.

If KD is the target, the offseason plan has to include KD + a starting PG or at least combo guard who can handle the ball when pressed and get into the paint. Maybe revisit a trade with the Jazz for Clarkson or Sexton and Collins.

Tbh, resigning Mitchell would work much more next to a Herro, Bam, KD lineup than another small SG playing PG. He's tough, defends super well, and is an actual PG. He also seems to be able to attack the paint a bit too

[Vertical Limit]

KD is not even what we need exactly.

He's an elite scorer, but not an elite creator for others. not a great passer. That's even a bigger need for us for this roster.

A Trey young that can defend better, or a Hali..that kind of engine.

I feel like we need both. We don't have enough of a consistent scoring threat outside of Herro that a team would ever game plan for, and we also need someone to initiate the offense and create so they can primarily focus on scoring.

If KD is the target, the offseason plan has to include KD + a starting PG or at least combo guard who can handle the ball when pressed and get into the paint. Maybe revisit a trade with the Jazz for Clarkson or Sexton and Collins.

Tbh, resigning Mitchell would work much more next to a Herro, Bam, KD lineup than another small SG playing PG. He's tough, defends super well, and is an actual PG. He also seems to be able to attack the paint a bit too

If we keep him, i would love to see how the heat furthers his development..

Hes got all the tools to be a chauncey billups/jrue holliday type point guard.. just needs to sharpen that 3 point shooting to make it a real threat.. and they have to open up the way he sees the court better.. he can get erratic sometimes especially when he reaches the paint, he looks lost like he doesnt know what the right play is.. but he was barely on our squad..

Should he return, hopefully with a lot of offseason training and video work, he can be that guy that was the 9th pick overall.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

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Fair enough, Jimmy just went for a 1st. I put the value at 2 1sts and Jaime and/or Jovic to be very fair. If Wiggins salary is involved probably just the Jimmy package plus another 1st, Jaime could go too as a throw in if they insisted.

[Beenie]

KD is not even what we need exactly.

He's an elite scorer, but not an elite creator for others. not a great passer. That's even a bigger need for us for this roster.

A Trey young that can defend better, or a Hali..that kind of engine.

Need a high IQ responsible handler, who can get to the line a ton and shoot a high percentage, who's defensively versatile, and who makes everyone better.

If only the team had a player like that.

[Kobewade11]

KD is not even what we need exactly.

He's an elite scorer, but not an elite creator for others. not a great passer. That's even a bigger need for us for this roster.

A Trey young that can defend better, or a Hali..that kind of engine.

Need a high IQ responsible handler, who can get to the line a ton and shoot a high percentage, who's defensively versatile, and who makes everyone better.

If only the team had a player like that.

Such a player should lead GS to a win tonight

[Heat3]

KD is not even what we need exactly.

He's an elite scorer, but not an elite creator for others. not a great passer. That's even a bigger need for us for this roster.

A Trey young that can defend better, or a Hali..that kind of engine.

Need a high IQ responsible handler, who can get to the line a ton and shoot a high percentage, who's defensively versatile, and who makes everyone better.

If only the team had a player like that.

Preferably one that isn't a quitter.

[Tim_Hardawayy]

I'm normally not very critical of the front office and find myself defending them. But if they give up value for KD, when (imo, fair if you don't agree) they had a player just as impactful, who already worked beautifully in our system, and could have just paid him what they'd pay KD, it's a mind bogglingly stupid decision. And I think anyone who didn't want to just pay Jimmy, is being a hypocrite, unless you're a huge KD fan.

But again, that's my view. I get some people think KD is a tier or two above Jimmy, but when it comes to winning basketball in the playoffs I don't agree with that stance and I think any effort/value that gets put into acquiring KD makes the front office hypocrites. And I hate hypocrites.