SGA's Place in the Modern PG Hierarchy

durantbird · Post #1 » by **durantbird** » Thu May 8, 2025 6:34 am

Let's look at all point guards since 2000, we'll consider Harden-SGA-Luka as point guards for the discussion.

Where does SGA's peak rank among the following guys?

Steph Curry
Chris Paul
Steve Nash
Luka Doncic
James Harden
Jason Kidd
Russell Westbrook
Damian Lillard
Chauncey Billups
Derrick Rose
Kyrie Irving
Tony Parker
Deron Williams

Jaivl · Post #2 » by **Jaivl** » Thu May 8, 2025 9:57 am

Steph Curry
<--- Shai is around here
Steve Nash
Chris Paul
James Harden
Luka Doncic
Russell Westbrook
<--- Shai's current playoff run is probably around here
Jason Kidd
Derrick Rose
Deron Williams
Damien Lillard
Kyrie Irving
Chauncey Billups
Tony Parker

OhayoKD · Post #3 » by **OhayoKD** » Thu May 8, 2025 6:00 pm

If his rs play translates he's at the top peak-wise.

bbms · Post #4 » by **bbms** » Thu May 8, 2025 6:27 pm

Steph Curry
Steve Nash
Chris Paul
Russell Westbrook /James Harden
Shai Gilgeous-Alexander / Luka Doncic
Tony Parker
Jason Kidd
Kyrie Irving
Derrick Rose
Damian Lillard
Chauncey Billups
Deron Williams

Post #5 » by **GeorgeMarcus** » Thu May 8, 2025 7:28 pm

Roughly, I'd go...

Curry
SGA
CP3
Nash
Luka
Kidd
Harden
Lillard
Russ
Rose
Deron
Kyrie
Chauncey
Parker

(to be clear I'm talking peak, not career)

Cavsfansince84 · Post #6 » by **Cavsfansince84** » Thu May 8, 2025 7:47 pm

Has to do more to be above Luka's finals run or his wcf run. Has no excuse really if his peak is going to be 2nd to Steph's since he's on a mostly healthy 68 win team. So if he can't get them at least to the finals(and really a title if the Knicks knock off Boston) then he can't be above Luka imo.

OhayoKD · Post #7 » by **OhayoKD** » Thu May 8, 2025 8:37 pm

Cavsfansince84 wrote:Has to do more to be above Luka's finals run or his wcf run. Has no excuse really if his peak is going to be 2nd to Steph's since he's on a mostly healthy 68 win team. So if he can't get them at least to the finals(and really a title if the Knicks knock off Boston) then he can't be above Luka imo.

Very confused what Steph did to earn immunity here.

Post #8 » by **Outside** » Thu May 8, 2025 10:10 pm

This is massively premature unless you're talking RS only.

durantbird · Post #9 » by **durantbird** » Fri May 9, 2025 3:43 am

Outside wrote:This is massively premature unless you're talking RS only.

The question? You can include him as high as you want or as low as you want. He's already got an MVP season. That's more than enough in order to compare him to the other guys

LukaTheGOAT · Post #10 » by **LukaTheGOAT** » Sat May 10, 2025 5:11 am

He couldn't be in my top 5 until further notice. He's on probation.

TheGOATRises007 · Post #11 » by **TheGOATRises007** » Sat May 10, 2025 5:40 am

Rough playoffs so far.

He was clearly better last year in the playoffs.

Basileus777 · Post #12 » by **Basileus777** » Sat May 10, 2025 10:36 am

I don't think he has the accolades to be put over all-time-greats at the position, he just hasn't done enough to belong.

EmpireFalls · Post #13 » by **EmpireFalls** » Sat May 10, 2025 10:40 am

He is below Harden if he loses this playoff series. This is Harden-level playoff dropping except with a much, much better team around him than James had. Disgusted by his play this playoffs. Absolutely disgusted. His poor processing and limited playmaking being exposed heavily: the way he reads defenses and breaks down coverages are not that of a true PG.

Every possession is either a) dribble the air out of the ball, create meh separation, take tentative step back mid range jumper or b) get flummoxed by help defense and make a super safe pass to a bad shooter for a 3.

This is not elite PG play.

itsxtray · Post #14 » by **itsxtray** » Sat May 10, 2025 10:41 am

He’s only played seven playoff games so far, and in four of them he’s shot in the 30s percentage wise—that’s insane. That’s some Harden-type stuff.

Bob8 · Post #15 » by **Bob8** » Sat May 10, 2025 1:41 pm

GeorgeMarcus wrote:Roughly, I'd go...

Curry
SGA
CP3
Nash
Luka
Kidd
Harden
Lillard
Russ
Rose
Deron
Kyrie
Chauncey
Parker

(to be clear I'm talking peak, not career)

Peak RS for sure not playoffs.

Sometime we will have to admit, his game is not exactly built for playoffs. He had numbers against Mavs last year only because their game plan was defending him 1 on 1 and limit others. If he goes out, being #1 in RS, in round 2 again...