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Re: Sacrifice a player 

Post#21 » by tsherkin » Thu May 8, 2025 5:13 pm

james vincent wrote:And healthier, more durable with better shooting/scoring. Thats a monster/borderline superstar.



I dunno about superstar, that's still a bit much. But he'd definitely be approaching tier-2 type of level.

Just for reference, if we straight-up swapped Scottie's percentages from 3 and the FT line with Battle's this year without changing volume or anything else... So let's say 40.4% 3P and 89.1% just because whole numbers are involved.

That'd have Scottie with a slashline of 48.1 / 40.4 / 89.1, which turns into 21.6 ppg on 58.7% TS, or +1.1% rTS. That's how bad he was last year, that such a change doesn't even get him to +1.5% rTS.

It would be a MASSIVE shift for us, though, in a variety of ways. Being an elite shooter like that would be humongous for the way a defense has to play him, opening up passing lanes and yadda yadda yadda. It would be amazing. It'd be basically like turning him into Brandon Ingram with better defense.

That's not what I'd call a superstar, but it's certainly a phenomenal player, and one I'd be thrilled to have.
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Re: Sacrifice a player 

Post#22 » by tsherkin » Thu May 8, 2025 5:14 pm

Indeed wrote:Battle <> Mogbo


If we're going Battle with Mogbo, then BI seems the obvious alt to Battle, because he's a comparable shooter with a far more advanced handle and mid-range game, no? And then we don't end up with a huge glut at the 3 (or at least in terms of handling out at the point). Although I suppose Mogbo is actually a physical, athletic 4/5, so perhaps that's a smarter choice.
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Re: Sacrifice a player 

Post#23 » by james vincent » Thu May 8, 2025 5:14 pm

tsherkin wrote:
james vincent wrote:And healthier, more durable with better shooting/scoring. Thats a monster/borderline superstar.



I dunno about superstar, that's still a bit much. But he'd definitely be approaching tier-2 type of level.

Just for reference, if we straight-up swapped Scottie's percentages from 3 and the FT line with Battle's this year without changing volume or anything else... So let's say 40.4% 3P and 89.1% just because whole numbers are involved.

That'd have Scottie with a slashline of 48.1 / 40.4 / 89.1, which turns into 21.6 ppg on 58.7% TS, or +1.1% rTS. That's how bad he was last year, that such a change doesn't even get him to +1.5% rTS.

It would be a MASSIVE shift for us, though, in a variety of ways. Being an elite shooter like that would be humongous for the way a defense has to play him, opening up passing lanes and yadda yadda yadda. It would be amazing. It'd be basically like turning him into Brandon Ingram with better defense.

That's not what I'd call a superstar, but it's certainly a phenomenal player, and one I'd be thrilled to have.


Not a superstar, but a borderline superstar/perennial all-star.
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Re: Sacrifice a player 

Post#24 » by Bank Shot » Thu May 8, 2025 5:21 pm

It's got to be somebody into Barnes. This is a superstar league. Juice your top guy and figure out the supporting cast later. I'm an IQ guy, but I wouldn't hesitate to give his shooting, handle, and ability to take care of the ball to Scottie.
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Re: Sacrifice a player 

Post#25 » by MEDIC » Thu May 8, 2025 5:30 pm

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PhilBlackson wrote:I wouldn't sacrifice BI but damn put his skills into Scottie's body and that's league MVP level right there...


Agreed. That was my first thought. But then I realized.I could take BI's skills & add them to Mogbo..........and still keep Scottie.

Now that I think of it.......why not just take BI's skills & give them to Chomche. Youngest player on the team. Super long. Super athletic.


Why not sacrifice IQ and give his skills to Mogbo? 6’8 elite athlete who now has pg level ball handling and off the dribble shooting? I think in this exercise you don’t want to sacrifice your already best players. Taking guard skills and putting them into 6’8 super athletes is the way to go.


I like that. Especially because I don't see IQ as the PG to take this team into contention. You get to keep the trio of Ingram/ Barnes & suped up Mogbo. Then you look for.the next Jrue Holiday to replace IQ.

Or you give IQ's skills to Chomche & we then have our 3+D C to help build around Scottie & BI.
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Re: Sacrifice a player 

Post#26 » by ontnut » Thu May 8, 2025 5:49 pm

The best combo would be to combine 2 players who have the most differering skillsets, and sacrifice the larger contract. That creates the most well-rounded player and also opens up most cap to fill out the roster, providing an additional benefit. You also can't teach size.

Based on that, I'm thinking the most differening skill sets would be IQ and Poeltl. IQ's strengths like shooting, distributing and ball handling transferred into Poeltl's body with his defensive mind, paint scoring and rebounding would create an almost Jokic-level player (of course, Jokic's vision and passing ability is above that of IQ). Presumably, you'd retain Poeltl's salary, so it would open up $32.5m of space, giving us room to sign another piece, or make a trade. You now have a defending, rebounding C who is quick, can handle the ball, shoot the 3, hit FTs and be an offensive hub, for $20m. I can't see how you'd get a better combo. He'd immediately become a top 3 C in the league with Jokic and Wemby. He might be the 2nd best, if not best (that's just how crazy Jokic is tho - he's probably still better than the combined Poelckley).

I thought about combining with a low salary rookie like Chomche or Mogbo, but I don't trust in their big man skills enough yet. Poeltl is a known quantity, and we know more or less, what his ceiling and deficiencies are, and IQ fills those holes perfectly. His contract being $19.5m is also super cheap for a super-star level player. I'd rather have a guaranteed superstar with two more swings at a rotation player in Chomche/Mogbo.

I'd then look to fill that guard spot through a RJ + all the picks trade for say....Booker? We're immediately legit title contenders.

Shead/Booker/Ingram/Barnes/Poelckley is better than DEN's championship starting lineup, and we still have Agbaji, Dick, Walter etc to trade for a vet starting PG.
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Re: Sacrifice a player 

Post#27 » by MainEvent » Thu May 8, 2025 6:22 pm

ontnut wrote:The best combo would be to combine 2 players who have the most differering skillsets, and sacrifice the larger contract. That creates the most well-rounded player and also opens up most cap to fill out the roster, providing an additional benefit. You also can't teach size.

Based on that, I'm thinking the most different skill sets would be IQ and Poeltl. IQ's strengths like shooting, distributing and ball handling transferred into Poeltl's body with his defensive mind, paint scoring and rebounding would create an almost Jokic-level player (of course, Jokic's vision and passing ability is above that of IQ). Presumably, you'd retain Poeltl's salary, so it would open up $32.5m of space, giving us room to sign another piece, or make a trade. You now have a defending, rebounding C who is quick, can handle the ball, shoot the 3, hit FTs and be an offensive hub, for $20m. I can't see how you'd get a better combo. He'd immediately become a top 3 C in the league with Jokic and Wemby. He might be the 2nd best, if not best (that's just how crazy Jokic is tho - he's probably still better than the combined Poeckley).

I thought about combining with a low salary rookie like Chomche or Mogbo, but I don't trust in their big man skills enough yet. Poeltl is a known quantity, and we know more or less, what his ceiling and deficiencies are. His contract being $19.5m is also super cheap for a super-star level player. I'd rather have a guaranteed superstar with two more swings at a rotation player in Chomche/Mogbo.


I was going to sacrifice someone into Poeltl but given his age I decided not to.

I think the move is sacrificing IQ into a young defensive player with great physical traits. Mogbo makes sense since we have already seen his defense in the NBA and would be able to play the 3/4 easily

was going to pass on Chomche because he is unproven and he might be a foul machine + his defensive awareness in the NBA might not be there but IQ's size is what limits him defensively not really his awareness and he would get that.

then you have a 2way freak who can stretch the floor, play either the 4 or 5 and is only 19 years old
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Re: Sacrifice a player 

Post#28 » by tsherkin » Thu May 8, 2025 8:09 pm

james vincent wrote:Not a superstar, but a borderline superstar/perennial all-star.


I wouldn't even call that a borderline superstar. But generally a fixture in the ASG, for sure.
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Re: Sacrifice a player 

Post#29 » by tsherkin » Thu May 8, 2025 8:11 pm

ConSarnit wrote:Sacrifice IQ to Barnes. Barnes with an off the dribble 3pt arsenal, slightly improved handles and is now an 86% FT shooter is a perennial MVP candidate. Battle is a good candidate but he doesn’t have the off dribble juice IQ does and that’s huge for a ball handler/creator like Barnes.


This is another quality choice.
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Re: Sacrifice a player 

Post#30 » by Merit » Thu May 8, 2025 11:13 pm

Thaddy wrote:Barnes with IQs shooting and handle is an all time great. Same with a Mogbo sized Dick.


Arguably a Mogbo-sized (gradey) Dick would also be an all time great.
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Re: Sacrifice a player 

Post#31 » by Merit » Thu May 8, 2025 11:14 pm

billy_hoyle wrote:Don't you just put Dick in Barnes?


Pretty sure nobody’s doing that.
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Re: Sacrifice a player 

Post#32 » by Merit » Thu May 8, 2025 11:19 pm

Okay to actually answer this question: let me go off board here. Sacrifice Shead and combine him with Gradey. Motor + defense + shooting on a rookie scale contract.
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Re: Sacrifice a player 

Post#33 » by kalel123 » Thu May 8, 2025 11:19 pm

IQ + Barnes and Battle + Poeltl sound most intriguing at first glance.

That would solve a lot of our problems.
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Re: Sacrifice a player 

Post#34 » by Grew » Fri May 9, 2025 12:19 am

I would almost rather keep all our established players, I know some type of Barnes/Ingram would probably result in the best player, but that's just one guy now, and I haven't seen what they look like playing together.

I like the idea of Shead combining into Chomche. 6'11 elite athlete with PG skills. All of a sudden Chomche would be a seasoned 2nd year player, who is tough as nails, with none of the rawness or body control issues. Would really be like making a Giannis clone, while only sacrificing the backup PG. We would have a 20 year old superstar to go with whatever draft pick we get this year. We would be making a team that would compete for a title for the foreseeable future.
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Re: Sacrifice a player 

Post#35 » by ReggieSlater » Fri May 9, 2025 1:23 am

Walter into Chomche
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Post#36 » by Syd-TK3 » Fri May 9, 2025 1:46 am

I like Battle for Poeltl you get the stretch 5 we always wanted without losing any real rotation player
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Re: Sacrifice a player 

Post#37 » by webeye » Fri May 9, 2025 2:01 am

TorontoBarneys wrote:Sacrifice Battle and combine him with Poeltl.


Baeltl FTW.
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Re: Sacrifice a player 

Post#38 » by CPT » Fri May 9, 2025 2:17 am

Can we only do this once?
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Re: Sacrifice a player 

Post#40 » by Son Goku 25 » Fri May 9, 2025 6:57 am

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