NBA DRAFT LOTTERY GT, 12 MAY 2025, 6 PM CT, CHICAGO, ESPN

[MalagaBulls]

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/nba-draft-lottery-2025-which-teams-could-benefit-most-by-landing-cooper-flagg-with-the-no-1-pick/

6. Chicago Bulls
Percent chance of winning No. 1 overall pick: 1.7%

The last time the Bulls won a playoff series, you have to go back to 2015. Since then, Chicago has won five total games in the NBA Playoffs. The Bulls are frequent flyers in the Play-in Tournament. Landing Flagg would potentially change that and give the city hope.

The Bulls haven't committed to a full rebuild under their current ownership group. Chicago has won over 39 games in each of the last four seasons. Getting Flagg would be a step in the right direction if the goal is to avoid the Play-in.

Discuss

[MrSparkle]

I’m going to have a normal day, and not give this lotto any attention. If the BB gods want to give us the a second 1.7% #1 pick in a strong draft, it’ll be just as shocking as when my friend texted me that Bulls won Rose and I assumed he was joking until I opened Realgm.

I’m planning for #12 or 13. Possibly a trade up with Portland, if there’s a target who likely won’t drop. Not very exciting, but I guess it beats watching San Antonio add 3 lottery picks to their treasure chest.

[nomorezorro]

can't believe there's only 4 more days until we win the lottery

[Am2626]

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/nba-draft-lottery-2025-which-teams-could-benefit-most-by-landing-cooper-flagg-with-the-no-1-pick/

6. Chicago Bulls
Percent chance of winning No. 1 overall pick: 1.7%

The last time the Bulls won a playoff series, you have to go back to 2015. Since then, Chicago has won five total games in the NBA Playoffs. The Bulls are frequent flyers in the Play-in Tournament. Landing Flagg would potentially change that and give the city hope.

The Bulls haven't committed to a full rebuild under their current ownership group.Chicago has won over 39 games in each of the last four seasons. Getting Flagg would be a step in the right direction if the goal is to avoid the Play-in.

Discuss

This sums up the disfunction of this organization from the Ownership down. Their priorities are trying to maximize short term profits without any clear organizational vision. An iconic brand like the Bulls should be up there with the Lakers and Celtics but that will never happen until the Bulls have new ownership. Instead they will continue to operate with a small market mentality in the 3rd largest U.S. Market. They are a disgrace.

[Lexluthor]

The espn lottery show is so boring . It’s something that should last about 10 minutes not thirty minutes

[Michael Jackson]

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6. Chicago Bulls
Percent chance of winning No. 1 overall pick: 1.7%

The last time the Bulls won a playoff series, you have to go back to 2015. Since then, Chicago has won five total games in the NBA Playoffs. The Bulls are frequent flyers in the Play-in Tournament. Landing Flagg would potentially change that and give the city hope.

The Bulls haven't committed to a full rebuild under their current ownership group.Chicago has won over 39 games in each of the last four seasons. Getting Flagg would be a step in the right direction if the goal is to avoid the Play-in.

Discuss

This sums up the disfunction of this organization from the Ownership down. Their priorities are trying to maximize short term profits without any clear organizational vision. An iconic brand like the Bulls should be up there with the Lakers and Celtics but that will never happen until the Bulls have new ownership. Instead they will continue to operate with a small market mentality in the 3rd largest U.S. Market. They are a disgrace.

Ishbia is likely going to own the Bulls one day but I am not exactly fond of what his brother has done with his NBA team honestly. Sadly I think that is the outcome... if he does transition into the role he will spend stupid money and completely handcuff the Bulls like the Suns. You need a smart team owner I doubt we will ever get that in Chicago.

[DuckIII]

Just give me nothing worse than 12 and I'll be fine. There's a lot of guys I like in this draft. About 12 in fact. Doesn't mean we'll take one I want, but I prefer the math that would have all of "my guys" theoretically in play.

[PJSteven22]

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/nba-draft-lottery-2025-which-teams-could-benefit-most-by-landing-cooper-flagg-with-the-no-1-pick/

6. Chicago Bulls
Percent chance of winning No. 1 overall pick: 1.7%

The last time the Bulls won a playoff series, you have to go back to 2015. Since then, Chicago has won five total games in the NBA Playoffs. The Bulls are frequent flyers in the Play-in Tournament. Landing Flagg would potentially change that and give the city hope.

The Bulls haven't committed to a full rebuild under their current ownership group.Chicago has won over 39 games in each of the last four seasons. Getting Flagg would be a step in the right direction if the goal is to avoid the Play-in.

Discuss

This sums up the disfunction of this organization from the Ownership down. Their priorities are trying to maximize short term profits without any clear organizational vision. An iconic brand like the Bulls should be up there with the Lakers and Celtics but that will never happen until the Bulls have new ownership. Instead they will continue to operate with a small market mentality in the 3rd largest U.S. Market. They are a disgrace.

Ishbia is likely going to own the Bulls one day but I am not exactly fond of what his brother has done with his NBA team honestly. Sadly I think that is the outcome... if he does transition into the role he will spend stupid money and completely handcuff the Bulls like the Suns. You need a smart team owner I doubt we will ever get that in Chicago.

Hopefully he learned from his brother’s mistakes.

[Michael Jackson]

This sums up the disfunction of this organization from the Ownership down. Their priorities are trying to maximize short term profits without any clear organizational vision. An iconic brand like the Bulls should be up there with the Lakers and Celtics but that will never happen until the Bulls have new ownership. Instead they will continue to operate with a small market mentality in the 3rd largest U.S. Market. They are a disgrace.

Ishbia is likely going to own the Bulls one day but I am not exactly fond of what his brother has done with his NBA team honestly. Sadly I think that is the outcome... if he does transition into the role he will spend stupid money and completely handcuff the Bulls like the Suns. You need a smart team owner I doubt we will ever get that in Chicago.

Hopefully he learned from his brother’s mistakes.

The tactic Mat used will work in the MLB, so yeah if he does look to acquire the bulls after Jerry steps down (seems like a plan, Mat divests in the Bulls and Justin in the Suns) you just hope the “quick buy a team” thing isn’t the plan. Spending Mo ey to build an organization hopefully is the plan, FO, etc… buy the best minds then go from there.

[Dan Z]

Ishbia is likely going to own the Bulls one day but I am not exactly fond of what his brother has done with his NBA team honestly. Sadly I think that is the outcome... if he does transition into the role he will spend stupid money and completely handcuff the Bulls like the Suns. You need a smart team owner I doubt we will ever get that in Chicago.

Hopefully he learned from his brother’s mistakes.

The tactic Mat used will work in the MLB, so yeah if he does look to acquire the bulls after Jerry steps down (seems like a plan, Mat divests in the Bulls and Justin in the Suns) you just hope the “quick buy a team” thing isn’t the plan. Spending Mo ey to build an organization hopefully is the plan, FO, etc… buy the best minds then go from there.

Jerry has been a terrible owner for years and I'll be happy when he no longer owns the team. If the new owners spend and rush into things...so be it. I'll give them a chance to see what happens. If they're willing to spend it'll be nice not to worry about the luxury tax and being just "good enough" to make a profit (which the Bulls do even when they lose).

[Michael Jackson]

Hopefully he learned from his brother’s mistakes.

The tactic Mat used will work in the MLB, so yeah if he does look to acquire the bulls after Jerry steps down (seems like a plan, Mat divests in the Bulls and Justin in the Suns) you just hope the “quick buy a team” thing isn’t the plan. Spending Mo ey to build an organization hopefully is the plan, FO, etc… buy the best minds then go from there.

Jerry has been a terrible owner for years and I'll be happy when he no longer owns the team. If the new owners spend and rush into things...so be it. I'll give them a chance to see what happens. If they're willing to spend it'll be nice not to worry about the luxury tax and being just "good enough" to make a profit (which the Bulls do even when they lose).

Yeah ultimately Ishbia is going to be better as in more likable at least (maybe not better results per se) than Jerry without a doubt. If it doesn’t go to him, I can see Michael selling to Private Equity (which is really what it is now and would be the same) or some sport washing oil money (which would spend money but eww) so I hope it is Ishbia. I think Private owners though are going to be rare in the future.

Justin and Mat actually own more of the Sox currently than Jerry as far as shares (35% Jerry is 20%) but Jerry has the voting shares. Lamar Hunt had more shares than Jerry in the Bulls but they made Jerry the COB. Not sure what his ownership is today (I don’t think the Hunts have any shares) but he is COB and pretty sure he has majority.

The NBA just sucks though because of the cap. You really have to luck out, but any owner would just be a welcome change. So sick of Jerry. I don’t know it would be better but change for changes sake would be welcome. Not happening while he is still alive though. I just want an owner that won’t be so stupidly loyal and will actually hire good FO people. Worked for the Cubs for a minute (until they got cheap again). Get a guy who goes and opens the pocketbook to get Presti at a huge overpay. You get the idea. Nope it’s Chicago though and we are cursed with the absolute worst ownership. Just awful history all around. At least Ricketts pretended for a few years. In fairness so did Rocky, he 180’d what his father did immediately.

[pipfan]

I really like Flagg and VJ, get us #1 or 4 please-that would totally change the direction of the team

[Dan Z]

The tactic Mat used will work in the MLB, so yeah if he does look to acquire the bulls after Jerry steps down (seems like a plan, Mat divests in the Bulls and Justin in the Suns) you just hope the “quick buy a team” thing isn’t the plan. Spending Mo ey to build an organization hopefully is the plan, FO, etc… buy the best minds then go from there.

Jerry has been a terrible owner for years and I'll be happy when he no longer owns the team. If the new owners spend and rush into things...so be it. I'll give them a chance to see what happens. If they're willing to spend it'll be nice not to worry about the luxury tax and being just "good enough" to make a profit (which the Bulls do even when they lose).

Yeah ultimately Ishbia is going to be better as in more likable at least (maybe not better results per se) than Jerry without a doubt. If it doesn’t go to him, I can see Michael selling to Private Equity (which is really what it is now and would be the same) or some sport washing oil money (which would spend money but eww) so I hope it is Ishbia. I think Private owners though are going to be rare in the future.

Justin and Mat actually own more of the Sox currently than Jerry as far as shares (35% Jerry is 20%) but Jerry has the voting shares. Lamar Hunt had more shares than Jerry in the Bulls but they made Jerry the COB. Not sure what his ownership is today (I don’t think the Hunts have any shares) but he is COB and pretty sure he has majority.

The NBA just sucks though because of the cap. You really have to luck out, but any owner would just be a welcome change. So sick of Jerry. I don’t know it would be better but change for changes sake would be welcome. Not happening while he is still alive though. I just want an owner that won’t be so stupidly loyal and will actually hire good FO people. Worked for the Cubs for a minute (until they got cheap again). Get a guy who goes and opens the pocketbook to get Presti at a huge overpay. You get the idea. Nope it’s Chicago though and we are cursed with the absolute worst ownership. Just awful history all around. At least Ricketts pretended for a few years. In fairness so did Rocky, he 180’d what his father did immediately.

They don't need to try and pry Presti from OKC. Just get someone with a long term plan and let them execute it. Almost every time a team (in recent years) has tried to rush things it hasn't worked out.

I'm watching the Bill Simmons documentary "Celtics City" and throughout their history Boston has maintained their level of success by making smart decisions to build through the draft. In 1956 the St. Louis Hawks drafted Bill Russell and the Celtics traded Ed Maccauley/Cliff Hagen for him.

In 1978 they had the 2nd pick and selected Larry Bird, which was a year before he finished college (he was an older senior).

In 1980 the Celtics had the #1 pick and traded it (along with another pick) to the Warriors for Robert Parrish and the 3rd overall pick (Kevin McHale).

They tried it again in 1986 by trading Gerald Henderson and cash to the Sonics for the #2 pick, which they used to select Len Bias (who tragically passed away).

Ainge built the current team by trading KG/PP to the Nets for picks.

You can look at what Presti has been doing (acquiring picks) or a team like Houston (who built their team through the draft, but then added to the core with Brooks/FVV).

When I look at the Bulls history their best teams have come from drafting. Jordan in 1984 and then in 1987 drafting Grant and trading for Pippen. Or when Paxson was GM (the early years). He drafted Hinrich, traded Curry for picks (that ended up being Noah and Aldridge...then he traded Aldridge for Tyrus Thomas). In 2004 he traded a future pick, the rights to Jackson Vroman, and cash for Luol Deng. He got lucky in the lottery with Rose.

It's crazy to me that the Bulls currently have a GM who doesn't believe in the draft.

[Michael Jackson]

Jerry has been a terrible owner for years and I'll be happy when he no longer owns the team. If the new owners spend and rush into things...so be it. I'll give them a chance to see what happens. If they're willing to spend it'll be nice not to worry about the luxury tax and being just "good enough" to make a profit (which the Bulls do even when they lose).

Yeah ultimately Ishbia is going to be better as in more likable at least (maybe not better results per se) than Jerry without a doubt. If it doesn’t go to him, I can see Michael selling to Private Equity (which is really what it is now and would be the same) or some sport washing oil money (which would spend money but eww) so I hope it is Ishbia. I think Private owners though are going to be rare in the future.

Justin and Mat actually own more of the Sox currently than Jerry as far as shares (35% Jerry is 20%) but Jerry has the voting shares. Lamar Hunt had more shares than Jerry in the Bulls but they made Jerry the COB. Not sure what his ownership is today (I don’t think the Hunts have any shares) but he is COB and pretty sure he has majority.

The NBA just sucks though because of the cap. You really have to luck out, but any owner would just be a welcome change. So sick of Jerry. I don’t know it would be better but change for changes sake would be welcome. Not happening while he is still alive though. I just want an owner that won’t be so stupidly loyal and will actually hire good FO people. Worked for the Cubs for a minute (until they got cheap again). Get a guy who goes and opens the pocketbook to get Presti at a huge overpay. You get the idea. Nope it’s Chicago though and we are cursed with the absolute worst ownership. Just awful history all around. At least Ricketts pretended for a few years. In fairness so did Rocky, he 180’d what his father did immediately.

They don't need to try and pry Presti from OKC. Just get someone with a long term plan and let them execute it. Almost every time a team (in recent years) has tried to rush things it hasn't worked out.

I'm watching the Bill Simmons documentary "Celtics City" and throughout their history Boston has maintained their level of success by making smart decisions to build through the draft. In 1956 the St. Louis Hawks drafted Bill Russell and the Celtics traded Ed Maccauley/Cliff Hagen for him.

In 1978 they had the 2nd pick and selected Larry Bird, which was a year before he finished college (he was an older senior).

In 1980 the Celtics had the #1 pick and traded it (along with another pick) to the Warriors for Robert Parrish and the 3rd overall pick (Kevin McHale).

They tried it again in 1986 by trading Gerald Henderson and cash to the Sonics for the #2 pick, which they used to select Len Bias (who tragically passed away).

Ainge built the current team by trading KG/PP to the Nets for picks.

You can look at what Presti has been doing (acquiring picks) or a team like Houston (who built their team through the draft, but then added to the core with Brooks/FVV).

When I look at the Bulls history their best teams have come from drafting. Jordan in 1984 and then in 1987 drafting Grant and trading for Pippen. Or the early years when Paxson was GM. He drafted Hinrich, traded Curry for picks (that ended up being Noah and Aldridge...then he traded Aldridge for Tyrus Thomas). In 2004 he traded a future pick, the rights to Jackson Vroman, and cash for Luol Deng. He got lucky in the lottery with Rose.

It's crazy to me that the Bulls currently have a GM who doesn't believe in the draft.

That’s what I mean by FO. I used Presti as an example of spending money on something because that doesn’t count against the cap. That’s the stupid loyality thing with Jerry. Send AK packing. Just stupid.

[Dan Z]

Yeah ultimately Ishbia is going to be better as in more likable at least (maybe not better results per se) than Jerry without a doubt. If it doesn’t go to him, I can see Michael selling to Private Equity (which is really what it is now and would be the same) or some sport washing oil money (which would spend money but eww) so I hope it is Ishbia. I think Private owners though are going to be rare in the future.

Justin and Mat actually own more of the Sox currently than Jerry as far as shares (35% Jerry is 20%) but Jerry has the voting shares. Lamar Hunt had more shares than Jerry in the Bulls but they made Jerry the COB. Not sure what his ownership is today (I don’t think the Hunts have any shares) but he is COB and pretty sure he has majority.

The NBA just sucks though because of the cap. You really have to luck out, but any owner would just be a welcome change. So sick of Jerry. I don’t know it would be better but change for changes sake would be welcome. Not happening while he is still alive though. I just want an owner that won’t be so stupidly loyal and will actually hire good FO people. Worked for the Cubs for a minute (until they got cheap again). Get a guy who goes and opens the pocketbook to get Presti at a huge overpay. You get the idea. Nope it’s Chicago though and we are cursed with the absolute worst ownership. Just awful history all around. At least Ricketts pretended for a few years. In fairness so did Rocky, he 180’d what his father did immediately.

They don't need to try and pry Presti from OKC. Just get someone with a long term plan and let them execute it. Almost every time a team (in recent years) has tried to rush things it hasn't worked out.

I'm watching the Bill Simmons documentary "Celtics City" and throughout their history Boston has maintained their level of success by making smart decisions to build through the draft. In 1956 the St. Louis Hawks drafted Bill Russell and the Celtics traded Ed Maccauley/Cliff Hagen for him.

In 1978 they had the 2nd pick and selected Larry Bird, which was a year before he finished college (he was an older senior).

In 1980 the Celtics had the #1 pick and traded it (along with another pick) to the Warriors for Robert Parrish and the 3rd overall pick (Kevin McHale).

They tried it again in 1986 by trading Gerald Henderson and cash to the Sonics for the #2 pick, which they used to select Len Bias (who tragically passed away).

Ainge built the current team by trading KG/PP to the Nets for picks.

You can look at what Presti has been doing (acquiring picks) or a team like Houston (who built their team through the draft, but then added to the core with Brooks/FVV).

When I look at the Bulls history their best teams have come from drafting. Jordan in 1984 and then in 1987 drafting Grant and trading for Pippen. Or the early years when Paxson was GM. He drafted Hinrich, traded Curry for picks (that ended up being Noah and Aldridge...then he traded Aldridge for Tyrus Thomas). In 2004 he traded a future pick, the rights to Jackson Vroman, and cash for Luol Deng. He got lucky in the lottery with Rose.

It's crazy to me that the Bulls currently have a GM who doesn't believe in the draft.

That’s what I mean by FO. I used Presti as an example of spending money on something because that doesn’t count against the cap. That’s the stupid loyality thing with Jerry. Send AK packing. Just stupid.

Jerry kept every GM too long. Krause, Paxson, Gar and now AK. At least Paxson realized that he wasn't focused enough to continue doing the job and moved into a new position.

The one GM he didn't keep for very long was Rod Thorn and Thorn went on to prove that he was a good GM (with the Nets).

[Michael Jackson]

They don't need to try and pry Presti from OKC. Just get someone with a long term plan and let them execute it. Almost every time a team (in recent years) has tried to rush things it hasn't worked out.

I'm watching the Bill Simmons documentary "Celtics City" and throughout their history Boston has maintained their level of success by making smart decisions to build through the draft. In 1956 the St. Louis Hawks drafted Bill Russell and the Celtics traded Ed Maccauley/Cliff Hagen for him.

In 1978 they had the 2nd pick and selected Larry Bird, which was a year before he finished college (he was an older senior).

In 1980 the Celtics had the #1 pick and traded it (along with another pick) to the Warriors for Robert Parrish and the 3rd overall pick (Kevin McHale).

They tried it again in 1986 by trading Gerald Henderson and cash to the Sonics for the #2 pick, which they used to select Len Bias (who tragically passed away).

Ainge built the current team by trading KG/PP to the Nets for picks.

You can look at what Presti has been doing (acquiring picks) or a team like Houston (who built their team through the draft, but then added to the core with Brooks/FVV).

When I look at the Bulls history their best teams have come from drafting. Jordan in 1984 and then in 1987 drafting Grant and trading for Pippen. Or the early years when Paxson was GM. He drafted Hinrich, traded Curry for picks (that ended up being Noah and Aldridge...then he traded Aldridge for Tyrus Thomas). In 2004 he traded a future pick, the rights to Jackson Vroman, and cash for Luol Deng. He got lucky in the lottery with Rose.

It's crazy to me that the Bulls currently have a GM who doesn't believe in the draft.

That’s what I mean by FO. I used Presti as an example of spending money on something because that doesn’t count against the cap. That’s the stupid loyality thing with Jerry. Send AK packing. Just stupid.

Jerry kept every GM too long. Krause, Paxson, Gar and now AK. At least Paxson realized that he wasn't focused enough to continue doing the job and moved into a new position.

The one GM he didn't keep for very long was Rod Thorn and Thorn went on to prove that he was a good GM (with the Nets).

Jerry wouldn’t even let Paxson quit. TBH we would have been better of keeping Gar Pax, really Paxson but if Gar was here you know we have Halliburton instead of P Will and we likely have Franz and no Vuc. Not saying we ever woukd be close to contention but more flexibility. Paxson also was more than willing to swing for the fences at time (big 3 and Carmelo) even if it was futile. AK swings for Vuc. Hmmmm.

[Dan Z]

That’s what I mean by FO. I used Presti as an example of spending money on something because that doesn’t count against the cap. That’s the stupid loyality thing with Jerry. Send AK packing. Just stupid.

Jerry kept every GM too long. Krause, Paxson, Gar and now AK. At least Paxson realized that he wasn't focused enough to continue doing the job and moved into a new position.

The one GM he didn't keep for very long was Rod Thorn and Thorn went on to prove that he was a good GM (with the Nets).

Jerry wouldn’t even let Paxson quit. TBH we would have been better of keeping Gar Pax, really Paxson but if Gar was here you know we have Halliburton instead of P Will and we likely have Franz and no Vuc. Not saying we ever woukd be close to contention but more flexibility. Paxson also was more than willing to swing for the fences at time (big 3 and Carmelo) even if it was futile. AK swings for Vuc. Hmmmm.

That's another reason why hiring AK (and sticking with him) is crazy. It's clear that almost all of his moves haven't worked and he hasn't done much to pivot in a new direction. You could argue that Giddey ,and trading Zach, is a new direction, but I think it's more like a lateral move so to speak. He's basically the opposite of Paxson.

[Michael Jackson]

Jerry kept every GM too long. Krause, Paxson, Gar and now AK. At least Paxson realized that he wasn't focused enough to continue doing the job and moved into a new position.

The one GM he didn't keep for very long was Rod Thorn and Thorn went on to prove that he was a good GM (with the Nets).

Jerry wouldn’t even let Paxson quit. TBH we would have been better of keeping Gar Pax, really Paxson but if Gar was here you know we have Halliburton instead of P Will and we likely have Franz and no Vuc. Not saying we ever woukd be close to contention but more flexibility. Paxson also was more than willing to swing for the fences at time (big 3 and Carmelo) even if it was futile. AK swings for Vuc. Hmmmm.

That's another reason why hiring AK (and sticking with him) is crazy. It's clear that almost all of his moves haven't worked and he hasn't done much to pivot in a new direction. You could argue that Giddey ,and trading Zach, is a new direction, but I think it's more like a lateral move so to speak. He's basically the opposite of Paxson.

He is and I am guilty I was fed up with GarPax but just a lesson to be learned it can always get worse. Don’t worry though AK is trading for Kuminga to get younger and giving him a 5/150 mil contract so him and Pat can tie up a max salary space and sit on the bench together.

[Dan Z]

Jerry wouldn’t even let Paxson quit. TBH we would have been better of keeping Gar Pax, really Paxson but if Gar was here you know we have Halliburton instead of P Will and we likely have Franz and no Vuc. Not saying we ever woukd be close to contention but more flexibility. Paxson also was more than willing to swing for the fences at time (big 3 and Carmelo) even if it was futile. AK swings for Vuc. Hmmmm.

That's another reason why hiring AK (and sticking with him) is crazy. It's clear that almost all of his moves haven't worked and he hasn't done much to pivot in a new direction. You could argue that Giddey ,and trading Zach, is a new direction, but I think it's more like a lateral move so to speak. He's basically the opposite of Paxson.

He is and I am guilty I was fed up with GarPax but just a lesson to be learned it can always get worse. Don’t worry though AK is trading for Kuminga to get younger and giving him a 5/150 mil contract so him and Pat can tie up a max salary space and sit on the bench together.

Yikes! That would be terrible. I could almost stomach it if it's a straight up sign and trade of PW for Kuminga, but that's it.

You mentioned previously that a new owner might be willing to spend money. One good thing about that is the team won't stick with coaches like Jim Boylan for too long. Boylan did a bad job of developing the talent that the team had. If the Bulls had a better coach during that period maybe Markkanen shows more potential? Or Zach does better? Or Gafford?

[Michael Jackson]

That's another reason why hiring AK (and sticking with him) is crazy. It's clear that almost all of his moves haven't worked and he hasn't done much to pivot in a new direction. You could argue that Giddey ,and trading Zach, is a new direction, but I think it's more like a lateral move so to speak. He's basically the opposite of Paxson.

He is and I am guilty I was fed up with GarPax but just a lesson to be learned it can always get worse. Don’t worry though AK is trading for Kuminga to get younger and giving him a 5/150 mil contract so him and Pat can tie up a max salary space and sit on the bench together.

Yikes! That would be terrible. I could almost stomach it if it's a straight up sign and trade of PW for Kuminga, but that's it.

You mentioned previously that a new owner might be willing to spend money. One good thing about that is the team won't stick with coaches like Jim Boylan for too long. Boylan did a bad job of developing the talent that the team had. If the Bulls had a better coach during that period maybe Markkanen shows more potential? Or Zach does better? Or Gafford?

That’s the hope at least. That’s where Jerry’s cheap really bites them. With the CBA as it is going into the tax and or apron for anything that isn’t a cornerstone solves nothing. Spending on everything else is crucial. Cheapness there is what kills this team, last to have an analytics department for instance. It’s not paying tax will make the situation better, might actually make it worse under this CBA but hire elite FO and staff, spend there. Nope too cheap. That’s where any other owner can improve the culture. Jerry won’t. He will let Phil and Jerry fight, or Kenny and Ozzy. He suck’s at the actual controllable things. I get the not spending or paying tax unless it is a top notch team, because of the CBA, but in excusable not to spend on everything else.