2025 NBA PLAYOFFS East Semifinals: #1 Cleveland Cavaliers vs #4 Indiana Pacers (IND leads 2-0)

[Pacernation]

There were lane violations on not one, but both of the Pacers offensive rebounds. They were on the players who secured the offensive rebounds.

Read the L2M again. The lane violations weren't in the players that secured the boards. If they were, it would say that the Cavs should get the ball. But that's not what it says. It says that the lane violations were on multiple players and that we should have two jump balls instead. That's because Cleveland's players also committed lane violations in both cases. Both teams were at fault, hence the jump ball.

And, again, you have been complaining about the call that put Haliburton at the line ever since it happened and the L2M disagrees with you and considers it a good call.

The L2M disproved your original claim and now you're moving the goalposts.

Claiming it was against Jerome makes it worse. The officials allowed Indiana players to body check and bump Cleveland ball handlers for the last six minutes of the game. If you want to allow that, great, but don’t blow a whistle on Cleveland with 10 seconds left that gives the Pacers two free throws.

Mitchell was inside the restricted area and not the primary defender. Can somebody just read a rulebook for once?

[jbk1234]

Read the L2M again. The lane violations weren't in the players that secured the boards. If they were, it would say that the Cavs should get the ball. But that's not what it says. It says that the lane violations were on multiple players and that we should have two jump balls instead. That's because Cleveland's players also committed lane violations in both cases. Both teams were at fault, hence the jump ball.

And, again, you have been complaining about the call that put Haliburton at the line ever since it happened and the L2M disagrees with you and considers it a good call.

The L2M disproved your original claim and now you're moving the goalposts.

Claiming it was against Jerome makes it worse. The officials allowed Indiana players to body check and bump Cleveland ball handlers for the last six minutes of the game. If you want to allow that, great, but don’t blow a whistle on Cleveland with 10 seconds left that gives the Pacers two free throws.

Mitchell was inside the restricted area and not the primary defender. Can somebody just read a rulebook for once?

His point is that if that marginal contact by Jerome is why they blew the whistle with time running out, that's ridiculous.

[Pacernation]

Claiming it was against Jerome makes it worse. The officials allowed Indiana players to body check and bump Cleveland ball handlers for the last six minutes of the game. If you want to allow that, great, but don’t blow a whistle on Cleveland with 10 seconds left that gives the Pacers two free throws.

Mitchell was inside the restricted area and not the primary defender. Can somebody just read a rulebook for once?

His point is that if that marginal contact by Jerome is why they blew the whistle with time running out, that's ridiculous.

Ok, thought they called the foul on Mitchell. The call on Jerome is a joke but they should've called the foul on Mitchell so what are we arguing about. And if you want to make this about the refs, what about the phantomfoul on Siakam that put Mitchell on the line with 1 minute left. What about Mitchell fouling Nesmith on that putback? Just stop it. Pacers executed down the stretch and the Cavs made mistakes that cost them. End of story.

[jbk1234]

Mitchell was inside the restricted area and not the primary defender. Can somebody just read a rulebook for once?

His point is that if that marginal contact by Jerome is why they blew the whistle with time running out, that's ridiculous.

Ok, thought they called the foul on Mitchell. The call on Jerome is a joke but they should've called the foul on Mitchell so what are we arguing about. And if you want to make this about the refs, what about the phantomfoul on Siakam that put Mitchell on the line with 1 minute left. What about Mitchell fouling Nesmith on that putback? Just stop it. Pacers executed down the stretch and the Cavs made mistakes that cost them. End of story.

The put back that should've been blown dead due to the lane violation? I'm guessing that Nesmith putting Mitchell in a head lock on the way down might be why they didn't call it.

[Nuntius]

There were lane violations on not one, but both of the Pacers offensive rebounds. They were on the players who secured the offensive rebounds.

Read the L2M again. The lane violations weren't in the players that secured the boards. If they were, it would say that the Cavs should get the ball. But that's not what it says. It says that the lane violations were on multiple players and that we should have two jump balls instead. That's because Cleveland's players also committed lane violations in both cases. Both teams were at fault, hence the jump ball.

And, again, you have been complaining about the call that put Haliburton at the line ever since it happened and the L2M disagrees with you and considers it a good call.

The L2M disproved your original claim and now you're moving the goalposts.

Claiming it was against Jerome makes it worse. The officials allowed Indiana players to body check and bump Cleveland ball handlers for the last six minutes of the game. If you want to allow that, great, but don’t blow a whistle on Cleveland with 10 seconds left that gives the Pacers two free throws.

The fact is that this kind of contact during a drive to the rim was called throughout the entire 4th quarter. They were consistently calling it for Cleveland which is how Mitchell shot 11 FTs in the quarter. If the refs wanted to remain consistent and avoid influencing the outcome of the game (calling one way for one team and another way for the other team is exactly how you influence the outcome, by the way) they had to call it.

It's as simple as that. Maybe if Atkinson and the Cavs didn't put the league on notice about the level of physicality then the refs don't call those fouls and let both teams play. But they did so the refs were on the lookout for contact during drives and were calling everything.

Seriously, how many drives to the rim Mitchell had in the 4th that didn't result in FTs? It's not more than a couple.

[Pattycakes]

Pacers and Knicks proving that analysts are full of **** and anyone can get hot at the right time

[JujitsuFlip]

Pacers and Knicks proving that analysts are full of **** and anyone can get hot at the right time

Well, I'm sure injuries play a part, no?

[Pattycakes]

Pacers and Knicks proving that analysts are full of **** and anyone can get hot at the right time

Well, I'm sure injuries play a part, no?

Not the time for excuses, it’s playoff basketball.

[DowJones]

Pacers and Knicks proving that analysts are full of **** and anyone can get hot at the right time

Well, I'm sure injuries play a part, no?

Not the time for excuses, it’s playoff basketball.

But why are you calling out the analysts? The Cavs are missing 2 all-stars and 3 of their top 6 players. Don’t you think the analysts factored those three in when analyzing this series?

[DowJones]

Mitchell was inside the restricted area and not the primary defender. Can somebody just read a rulebook for once?

His point is that if that marginal contact by Jerome is why they blew the whistle with time running out, that's ridiculous.

Ok, thought they called the foul on Mitchell. The call on Jerome is a joke but they should've called the foul on Mitchell so what are we arguing about. And if you want to make this about the refs, what about the phantomfoul on Siakam that put Mitchell on the line with 1 minute left. What about Mitchell fouling Nesmith on that putback? Just stop it. Pacers executed down the stretch and the Cavs made mistakes that cost them. End of story.

The Pacers missed free throws down the stretch and benefited from the officials blowing multiple lane violations.

I think it is incredibly fair to say the officiating was poor Tuesday night, and the Pacers got a ton of help down the stretch.

[Tnasty4l]

Having to deal with the Bucks and Knicks fans for these few years I never knew how whiny these Cavs fans really are.

[yoadknux]

Having to deal with the Bucks and Knicks fans for these few years I never knew how whiny these Cavs fans really are.

You'd think after having years of star treatment with LeBron and Kyrie, they would not whine about refs in a game that sent Mitchell 21 times to the line, but apparently not

[durden_tyler]

Pacers (-155) favored to win the series but a near toss-up line in G3 (and presumably 4). Crucial obviously that the Pacers get at least one. Knowing quality of the Cavs (despite the injuries) i think they can avoid the sweep and extend the series.

[cgf]

Pacers and Knicks proving that analysts are full of **** and anyone can get hot at the right time

Or the analysts just under-rated how good Indiana & New York actually are

[cgf]

Having to deal with the Bucks and Knicks fans for these few years I never knew how whiny these Cavs fans really are.

You'll be sick of us soon enough

[hardenASG13]

Pacers (-155) favored to win the series but a near toss-up line in G3 (and presumably 4). Crucial obviously that the Pacers get at least one. Knowing quality of the Cavs (despite the injuries) i think they can avoid the sweep and extend the series.

Cavs are -3.5 tonight, which makes me think their hurt guys will be back on the floor (they wouldnt be favored on the road with the team they rolled out in game 2). I really hope that's the case, they were really good this year and I want to see what they can do.

[Wizop]

Pacers (-155) favored to win the series but a near toss-up line in G3 (and presumably 4). Crucial obviously that the Pacers get at least one. Knowing quality of the Cavs (despite the injuries) i think they can avoid the sweep and extend the series.

Cavs are -3.5 tonight, which makes me think their hurt guys will be back on the floor (they wouldnt be favored on the road with the team they rolled out in game 2). I really hope that's the case, they were really good this year and I want to see what they can do.

again, the line does not predict the result. it is set to balance the book. favoring the Cavs reduces the incentive to bet on them and increases the incentive to bet on the Pacers which tells us that more money would have been bet on the Cavs had they not had to give up points. is this because betters are smart or because there are just more Cavs fans than Pacer fans? the answer doesn't matter. bookies are guaranteed to win if their book is balanced because the winning betters do not get even money - they pay the vigorish (10 for 11).

[dakomish23]

Pacers and Knicks proving that analysts are full of **** and anyone can get hot at the right time

Depends which analysts. A lot of ppl knew this IND team was very good and that NYK always had a level up they could and had to achieve

[hardenASG13]

Pacers (-155) favored to win the series but a near toss-up line in G3 (and presumably 4). Crucial obviously that the Pacers get at least one. Knowing quality of the Cavs (despite the injuries) i think they can avoid the sweep and extend the series.

Cavs are -3.5 tonight, which makes me think their hurt guys will be back on the floor (they wouldnt be favored on the road with the team they rolled out in game 2). I really hope that's the case, they were really good this year and I want to see what they can do.

again, the line does not predict the result. it is set to balance the book. favoring the Cavs reduces the incentive to bet on them and increases the incentive to bet on the Pacers which tells us that more money would have been bet on the Cavs had they not had to give up points. is this because betters are smart or because there are just more Cavs fans than Pacer fans? the answer doesn't matter. bookies are guaranteed to win if their book is balanced because the winning betters do not get even money - they pay the vigorish (10 for 11).

They wouldn't set the opening line at cavs -3.5 if they didn't think the cavs guys were playing though. It's a promising sign that they will play. Offering the Pacers at home at plus money against a shell Cleveland team wouldn't be in their best interest. You can often tell if questionable guys are expected to play based on the betting lines in NBA and NFL. If they didn't expect them to play this line would be Indiana -5 or 6 most likely.

[Wizop]

They wouldn't set the opening line at cavs -3.5 if they didn't think the cavs guys were playing though. It's a promising sign that they will play. Offering the Pacers at home at plus money against a shell Cleveland team wouldn't be in their best interest. You can often tell if questionable guys are expected to play based on the betting lines in NBA and NFL. If they didn't expect them to play this line would be Indiana -5 or 6 most likely.

the line is crowd sourced. it would be the average better not the average bookie who thinks Cav guys will play. maybe it is better said that the bookies feel the betters will think the guys will play. that would set the initial line and then the line would move as bets are received on one side or the other,