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2025 Regular/Offseason Season Thread Vol. 10

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Re: 2025 Regular/Offseason Season Thread Vol. 10 

Post#1141 » by greg4012 » Fri May 9, 2025 3:05 pm

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I’d argue it’s not just about offensive redundancies. Durant has clearly declined since his Achilles tear in 2019. He’s lost a step in explosiveness, and the numbers reflect it. His rim rate has steadily dropped and is now at a career low, with no real recovery across multiple seasons or systems.

He’s still an elite shooter and scorer, but the physical decline is real and so is the injury risk. Committing significant assets and a large extension to Durant is a high risk move with limited upside.
And even with Durant, Herro would still be the team’s primary offensive initiator. Durant’s role at this point is more off ball and iso focused, he’s not a full time creator (never really was through his career).

Sure, he’d make Miami better in the short term. But it wouldn’t elevate them to true contender status and it would only make it harder to pivot later.

The better approach is to keep developing Tyler and Bam in meaningful roles while maintaining flexibility. That way, if a real star becomes available, one who actually moves the needle, you’re in a position to make that move, even if it means trading one of them. Jumping on Durant now doesn’t build a contender or a future. It just blocks both and only creates a tiny window with a punchers chance to succeed.


I fully agree that Durant is less of an inside scorer than he used to be. I just don't think the lengths to which you extend that takeaway to apply it to other things makes sense. His rim attempt % is basically flat over the past 5 seasons, while his offensive efficiency and output remains top tier. This is just his game. Not reflecting a steady decline.

I'm also perfectly fine with not pursuing Durant. But, I just think many that don't want to are overreaching like crazy to justify the perspective.


I'm not basing it on rim rate alone (it was well 20%+ before the injury).
There is a steady decline in his catch all metrics, winshares, defensive impact and shot creation.

Of course there are different explanations for it (and a different role could see an uptick), but there is also a very simple one, he's getting older.


And his team has become much worse constructed. I see a lot more of the latter affecting the numbers than the former personally. But, of course age is a legit concern to monitor. It's just not everything its being made out to be and I gotta push back on overreach in the analysis.

And there is not a steady decline in his win shares (despite the fact he has undoubtedly been on his worst team this season--thus less win shares to go around).

2021 - 5.0 (out of 46.4 while only playing half the season) --> 10% of team total win shares
2022 - 8.4 (out of 43.7) --> 20% of team total win shares
2023 - 6.8 (out of 45) --> 15% of teams total win shares
2024 - 8.3 (out of 49.6) --> 17% of team total win shares
2025 - 5.2 (out of 35.7) --> 15% of team total win shares

These stats are all REALLY messy and noisy to attempt to use in a uniform manner in player comparisons (esp without loads of context to qualify). For instance, Durant's win shares this season (in terms of number and percent of team total win shares) is right on par with a player like Luka Doncic, who started the season on a team well built for his game and ended the season on a better overall team, but less catered to his game specifically). It's just dangerous to serve these advanced stats as authority without full understanding and context to navigate.
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Re: 2025 Regular/Offseason Season Thread Vol. 10 

Post#1142 » by unowen85 » Fri May 9, 2025 3:05 pm

Ain’t no way I’m gonna decline Durant if I don’t have to give up Herro, Bam, Ware, or future first round picks. Even if he’s old, dude is a superstar and will put fans in the arena.
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Re: 2025 Regular/Offseason Season Thread Vol. 10 

Post#1143 » by Vertical Limit » Fri May 9, 2025 3:10 pm

I will be disappointed in Pat Riley today if he re-affirms his loyalty to Herro and Bam and talks about willing to offer an extension with Herro this offseason.


He should not talk about any players directly, or offering extension talks, he should talk about the Miami Heat as a whole and his stance is to make Miami Heat a championship contender.

Re-affirming his loyalty to those two is a message to the fans that we are going for the play in again next season. Herro who would be a sixth man on a championship roster and Bam would be a third/fourth option at a championship team.

We still need the first and second option filled on our roster to ever get this franchise going in the right direction again.


Just like he put all his rings at the table to Lebron.. All the chips (players, picks) need to be at the trade table to get this franchise back on track. That will give fans hope.
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Post#1145 » by 3ammy3uck3ts » Fri May 9, 2025 3:17 pm

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Post#1146 » by Lennyzinho » Fri May 9, 2025 3:40 pm

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Micky making Heat fans mad again today I see.


That's pretty pathetic. Ugh.
Especially to who he sold a part of it to. Vomit.
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Post#1147 » by Vertical Limit » Fri May 9, 2025 3:49 pm

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Micky making Heat fans mad again today I see.

Eh in mickeys defense.. What percentage did he sell to kushner.. probably got the same percentage celebrities get..

Wade has zero say or influence in what the Jazz do and it would have been the same here. Wade has also shown no interest in a front office role, or even a TV role as he had on TNT.

Trust me if he had shown an interest in that kind of role, he would have gotten it. the Heat employs so many former players including Chris Quinn, Caron Butler, Shane Battier, Zo.


Wade had a very good thing going should he even had stayed in a consulting role.. The Heat used to promote Li-Ning and his shoes at all Miami Heat stores.. which is a very big deal for his brand because who honestly is looking for li nings, probably a very low percent in Miami does..

Wade is my favorite player of all time but ive said it back then during his free agency and ill say it again, the Heat dont owe him a thing..

The Heat, historically, run their franchise more like the Yankees than they do the Marlins. It has always been about, chasing the next trophy. We are not a farm system for other teams to poach like the Marlins.. we are usually the ones chasing the big fish.

There is always going to be that thing between Wade vs the Heat because we didnt give him a retirement “Kobe Bryant” deal like Lebron called it before Wade left to chicago. Turns out, first season he averaged 18/4/3 and the following season of that deal in cleveland and miami, he averaged 12/3/3. The Heat were right in not giving him that kind of deal..
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Post#1148 » by 3ammy3uck3ts » Fri May 9, 2025 4:07 pm

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Re: 2025 Regular/Offseason Season Thread Vol. 10 

Post#1149 » by Kobewade11 » Fri May 9, 2025 4:07 pm

I swear we have some of the worst reporters in the association. Constantly gaslighting the fanbase

Vertical Limit wrote:I will be disappointed in Pat Riley today if he re-affirms his loyalty to Herro and Bam and talks about willing to offer an extension with Herro this offseason.


He should not talk about any players directly, or offering extension talks, he should talk about the Miami Heat as a whole and his stance is to make Miami Heat a championship contender.

Re-affirming his loyalty to those two is a message to the fans that we are going for the play in again next season. Herro who would be a sixth man on a championship roster and Bam would be a third/fourth option at a championship team.

We still need the first and second option filled on our roster to ever get this franchise going in the right direction again.


Just like he put all his rings at the table to Lebron.. All the chips (players, picks) need to be at the trade table to get this franchise back on track. That will give fans hope.

Prepare to be disappointed. I’d expect him to praise Herro for taking him up on his challenge after being called out last summer, probably similar praise to Bam for helping to keep the group connected amongst the quitter turmoil. Thinking he’s going to be non-committal on either is just setting yourself up to be disappointed, and if we’re being honest, there is nothing he can say today that is going to excite or give hope to fans that are already dug into their opinion about him/the front office as a whole.
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Re: 2025 Regular/Offseason Season Thread Vol. 10 

Post#1150 » by Hoops3355 » Fri May 9, 2025 4:26 pm

Getting Durant is the cleanest solution to getting outta the draft pick limbo / resetting the party. FO is gonna be looking at the current group and build around them until we reset the war chest in 2027/2028 then we'll see a full tear down of the Bam / Herro + Core and Pat probably rides off into the sunset to a certain extent. I don't think he's involved as people think with Andy and Zo around but we'll see how things progress.

Looking at the league as a whole I'm still thinking the value of expiring contracts are gonna be up this season and next as teams start to try to reposition out of some of the long term deals + resigning new players. A lot of young talent due to be paid and something is gonna have to give for these teams that are already capped out.
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Re: 2025 Regular/Offseason Season Thread Vol. 10 

Post#1151 » by Heat3 » Fri May 9, 2025 4:36 pm

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Micky making Heat fans mad again today I see.


Wade was offered a piece of the franchise. Wade wanted control thats why he didn’t take it. As usual, loud and uninformed “fans” on twitter angry about something.
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Post#1152 » by Heat3 » Fri May 9, 2025 4:41 pm

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Pat Riley addressing the fans and media today

Pat Riley wrote:There are only two options regarding commitment. You're either IN or you're OUT. There is no such thing as life in-between.

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This is all I needed to hear tbh.

He also said he nor ownership are going with the long process to get the Heat to where they need to be. No teardown and rebuild en route which is not shocking
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