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Post#81 » by mihaic » Wed May 7, 2025 10:11 pm

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Nice to see Fred is consistent. Choosing money over team again.


Do you sacrifice your salary for the sake of your employer?

Anyways, this is win/win for both sides and is best case scenario for the Rockets. Rockets get to explore trades through draft night and if one is found VanVleet gets his option picked up. If that doesn't happen, then Fred becomes an UFA and they will re-negotiate a new contract.


It depends.

If you like the workplace and the difference in salary is not that big, you want to stay

Otherwise you go - unless the location of the new workplace is a deal breaker in which case you stay.

You may also stay if you hate change. You may also go if you hate the current employer.

All of this applies to many jobs not just NBA. It's not that different.
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Post#82 » by mihaic » Wed May 7, 2025 10:14 pm

We should re-sign "Christ Boucher" :)
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The Raptors are in an interesting spot. On one hand, the team is largely in place. They have 15 players under contract with only two open standard roster spots. One of those will presumably go to their 2025 first-round pick. The other is probably ticketed for a re-signed Christ Boucher.

Would that be good enough to make the playoffs in the Eastern Conference? Probably. Better health over a full year would go a long way, plus the team will be adding Brandon Ingram as an “acquisition” of sorts, since he’s yet to make his Raptors debut. That’s enough talent to make a playoff push this coming season.

But…is that what the Raptors want? Is simply making the playoffs enough?

That’s where the other hand comes into play.

Toronto is positioned to make a big move this offseason. They have tradable contracts for players who can actually play. The Raptors also own all of their own first-round picks moving forward, in addition to most of their own second-round picks (and a couple of others).

The Raps also have the most important factor of all: Masai Ujiri isn’t afraid to make a big move.

In a summer where an unusual number of All-Stars might be available, Ujiri could make a blockbuster move. He’s got the draft capital to offer and he has tradable contracts. That’s enough to put him in on the conversation for any number of stars that could be available this summer.

Which path is the correct one? That’s really in the eye of the beholder. Should the Raptors go all-in for say, Kevin Durant? Probably not. They aren’t close enough to title contention to make that the sort of move they should make, given Durant’s age and contract situation.

Should they go all-in on seeing if they can get Zion Williamson healthy? Maybe. And “all-in” is probably a relative term there, as Williamson’s value might not be at an all-in level.

Should Toronto go all-in if the Milwaukee Bucks decide to trade Giannis Antetokounmpo? Now we’re talking!

To be fair, the Raptors probably won’t have the best package to offer Milwaukee. They have no extra first-round picks, and they don’t have a lot cost-effective, young talent with super high upside, now that Scottie Barnes has signed his rookie scale extension.

But there is a deep personal connection between Ujiri and Antetokounmpo. And the Raptors could probably get there with a trade offer, possibly by involving a third team and routing veteran players there, while they send additional assets to Milwaukee on behalf of Toronto.

Of course, the most likely path for the Raptors is to re-sign Boucher to a reasonable contract, then to pick the best player available in the draft. That’s far more likely than a mega-trade that comes out of nowhere.

A reasonable contract for Boucher probably looks somewhat similar to what he signed for previously. Something in the range of $30 million over three years gets the versatile big man a nice payday, but leaves him on a very movable contract, while also reflecting that he’s a 32-year-old free agent.

If the Raptors let Boucher walk, they’ll probably replace him with a minimum signing, or their 2025 second-round pick. The team is too close to the aprons to make using either the Non-Taxpayer MLE or Taxpayer MLE all that worthwhile. Unless a great-value signing falls in their laps, dealing with the associated hard cap isn’t worth it.

At the draft, Toronto should be in position to pick a good player in the second tier of talent. Cooper Flagg, Dylan Harper, Ace Bailey and V.J. Edgecombe will all be off the board, unless the team has some lottery luck. But the Raptors should still get a really good player.

If Toronto wants more of a pure point guard, they could pick Kasparas Jakucionis. If they want a wing scorer, Tre Johnson could be in play. If they want to add to the frontcourt, while planning for an inevitable Jakob Poeltl departure, Derik Queen or Khaman Maluach could be the pick.

The good news is that the Raptors will come away with a rotation player as soon as next season. Outside of wings with size (Scottie Barnes, Brandon Ingram and RJ Barrett have that more than covered), Toronto can use another rotation guy just about anywhere.

Let’s say that Ujiri doesn’t hit a homerun via trade this offseason. Toronto is probably looking at a rotation of:

Jakob Poeltl – Chris Boucher
Scottie Barnes – Jonathan Mogbo
Brandon Ingram – Ochai Agbaji
RJ Barrett – Gradey Dick – Ja’Kobe Walter
Immanuel Quickley – Jamal Shead

Then, you add in a draft pick somewhere to that group. That’s pretty solid. And there isn’t a single bad contract in that bunch. A couple of guys (Barrett and Quickley) are maybe a bit overpaid, but not by enough that their deals are under water.

Getting Ingram at the trade deadline was a good pre-agency move, and one the Raptors couldn’t have swung very easily this summer. Extending Ingram on a fair number (assuming he’s healthy enough to play, of course) makes that trade and extension combo really solid work.

All of the above adds up to an offseason that might not be overly exciting, but that’s probably ok. The pieces are there to make a playoff run in a step-forward season, while leaving open lots of trade flexibility for the future.

But…never count out Masai Ujiri with making the big move. The opportunities will be there this summer. It won’t be a surprise at all if we see Toronto swing big and come away with a superstar this offseason.


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Re: Free Agency & Trades Rumours Thread 

Post#83 » by ForeverTFC » Wed May 7, 2025 10:17 pm

mihaic wrote:
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Nice to see Fred is consistent. Choosing money over team again.


Do you sacrifice your salary for the sake of your employer?

Anyways, this is win/win for both sides and is best case scenario for the Rockets. Rockets get to explore trades through draft night and if one is found VanVleet gets his option picked up. If that doesn't happen, then Fred becomes an UFA and they will re-negotiate a new contract.


It depends.

If you like the workplace and the difference in salary is not that big, you want to stay

Otherwise you go - unless the location of the new workplace is a deal breaker in which case you stay.

You may also stay if you hate change. You may also go if you hate the current employer.

All of this applies to many jobs not just NBA. It's not that different.


Sure. But we're not talking a $20k difference here. We're talking millions of dollars. Kyle Lowry never took a cent less. Do people hate him for that? Or does it only apply to Fred?
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Post#84 » by mihaic » Wed May 7, 2025 11:11 pm

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Do you sacrifice your salary for the sake of your employer?

Anyways, this is win/win for both sides and is best case scenario for the Rockets. Rockets get to explore trades through draft night and if one is found VanVleet gets his option picked up. If that doesn't happen, then Fred becomes an UFA and they will re-negotiate a new contract.


It depends.

If you like the workplace and the difference in salary is not that big, you want to stay

Otherwise you go - unless the location of the new workplace is a deal breaker in which case you stay.

You may also stay if you hate change. You may also go if you hate the current employer.

All of this applies to many jobs not just NBA. It's not that different.


Sure. But we're not talking a $20k difference here. We're talking millions of dollars. Kyle Lowry never took a cent less. Do people hate him for that? Or does it only apply to Fred?

Notice how I didn't put any name? No reason to debate Fred or Lowry's choice. They made their own decisions and we don't know exactly their thought process.

But some players do agree with small % salary difference (much more than 20k in the case of the NBA players, of course) to go where they like. Others would go for max possible money. People are different, and they are driven by their own perceptions which are unique to everyone.
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Post#85 » by djsunyc » Thu May 8, 2025 12:40 am

let's just win games before anything else. we have to show that we are a playoff team first.
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Post#86 » by WuTang_OG » Fri May 9, 2025 6:32 pm

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Post#87 » by Potential » Fri May 9, 2025 7:43 pm

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Post#88 » by CoinTossRoss31 » Fri May 9, 2025 8:16 pm

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I dont understand what Miami is doing?

Either they trade Bam for KD or they completely gut their own team for a core of Bam + KD?

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Post#89 » by ciueli » Fri May 9, 2025 8:20 pm

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I dont understand what Miami is doing?

Either they trade Bam for KD or they completely gut their own team for a core of Bam + KD?

I dont get it


They try to trade for every star that becomes available, there's nothing surprising about it. They are a desirable destination in that they are warm weather no state tax with a competitive team so any disgruntled star will want to go there. They tried to get Damian Lillard and KD and failed, they will try to get Giannis and maybe KD again this offseason. They will probably get outbid by some other team with better assets the way they have in the past, we'll see.
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Post#90 » by sidsid » Fri May 9, 2025 10:28 pm

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I dont understand what Miami is doing?

Either they trade Bam for KD or they completely gut their own team for a core of Bam + KD?

I dont get it


They try to trade for every star that becomes available, there's nothing surprising about it. They are a desirable destination in that they are warm weather no state tax with a competitive team so any disgruntled star will want to go there. They tried to get Damian Lillard and KD and failed, they will try to get Giannis and maybe KD again this offseason. They will probably get outbid by some other team with better assets the way they have in the past, we'll see.


Sending anyone to that Heat team is just boring and pointless right now. KD in Minny where he doesn't have to shoulder much of a defensive load makes them a top tier contender and would be interesting. But honestly we just need the east to be more competitive. Kat for KD would do the trick too.
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Post#91 » by Pointgod » Sat May 10, 2025 3:26 am

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I dont understand what Miami is doing?

Either they trade Bam for KD or they completely gut their own team for a core of Bam + KD?

I dont get it


Exactly what this team needs….to get older.
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Post#92 » by Son Goku 25 » Sat May 10, 2025 3:57 am

I actually wouldn't mind KD on this team.

KD is one those dudes who just loves to ball. He's single and has no kids as far as I know. He's also a tall and skilled player who's game will still be effective in a few years. Imagine KD coming off our bench in a few seasons avg like 15 points and is a threat every night to hit a game winner.
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Post#93 » by mihaic » Sat May 10, 2025 6:08 pm

Son Goku 25 wrote:I actually wouldn't mind KD on this team.

KD is one those dudes who just loves to ball. He's single and has no kids as far as I know. He's also a tall and skilled player who's game will still be effective in a few years. Imagine KD coming off our bench in a few seasons avg like 15 points and is a threat every night to hit a game winner.

You need alot of salary to trade for him. Quick and RJ. Or Scottie and filler.
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Post#95 » by PhilBlackson » Mon May 12, 2025 12:33 pm

If KD pushes for a trade to MIA then he’s truly clueless.

I honestly wouldn’t even care. Sure it makes for another team taking up a Playoff spot but the Heat ain’t doing sh*t even with him lol with all due respect they’re such an overrated franchise right now.

I understand that Riley & Spo are winners but they’re not the players on the court and the so called “Heat culture” was clearly mainly just Jimmy going God mode for a couple of runs in a weaker East. An old KD can’t carry a team anymore and if I’m the Suns, I have absolutely ZERO interest in Herro when I have Book & Beal playing the exact same position and I doubt MIA wants to trade Bam. Even if they kept Bam, there’s no supporting cast and they’ll be nothing but a “tough out” in the 2nd rd type of team. What a waste of KD’s final years.
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Post#96 » by mihaic » Mon May 12, 2025 12:36 pm

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Post#97 » by Psubs » Mon May 12, 2025 12:41 pm

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Son Goku 25 wrote:I actually wouldn't mind KD on this team.

KD is one those dudes who just loves to ball. He's single and has no kids as far as I know. He's also a tall and skilled player who's game will still be effective in a few years. Imagine KD coming off our bench in a few seasons avg like 15 points and is a threat every night to hit a game winner.

You need alot of salary to trade for him. Quick and RJ. Or Scottie and filler.


RJ Barrett, Jakob Poeltl, Gradey Dick, Ochai Agbaji for KD and Nick Richards.

PG IQ - Shead
SG Ja'Kobe - Lawson - Rhoden
SF Durant - Battle - Carter Bryant
PF Scottie - Mogbo - Carter Bryant
C Richards - #39 / Chomche
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Post#98 » by WuTang_OG » Mon May 12, 2025 12:51 pm

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Post#100 » by Tripod » Tue May 13, 2025 2:31 am

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Son Goku 25 wrote:I actually wouldn't mind KD on this team.

KD is one those dudes who just loves to ball. He's single and has no kids as far as I know. He's also a tall and skilled player who's game will still be effective in a few years. Imagine KD coming off our bench in a few seasons avg like 15 points and is a threat every night to hit a game winner.

You need alot of salary to trade for him. Quick and RJ. Or Scottie and filler.


RJ Barrett, Jakob Poeltl, Gradey Dick, Ochai Agbaji for KD and Nick Richards.

PG IQ - Shead
SG Ja'Kobe - Lawson - Rhoden
SF Durant - Battle - Carter Bryant
PF Scottie - Mogbo - Carter Bryant
C Richards - #39 / Chomche

Since no one mentioned it, you are missing Ingram.

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