The Official 2025 Offseason Thread Part 1

[BobbieL]

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I read that and responded to it as it doesn't make sense

1) Voita is saying for Beal to accept a $45m pay cut down to $66m
2) This would allow Beal to be on the open market and sign for like $75m/3

I doubt Beal is taking that big of a pay cut and I doubt that a team will sign him for $75m/3. Hell, I have a hard time seeing Beal getting 45/3m. And really he would need the contract to be $45/2 because he only has two years left on his contract

All these scenarios that are discussed on twitter or PHNX_Suns that I don't see are realistic or right long term for the team
---Beal takes a big pay cut to be bought out
--- attach draft picks to just trade - no matter the cost, just trade

Yeah doesn't make sense. It's more or less getting him to not pick up his $57m player option. I also doubt he makes over $20m a year. I think he could get full MLE ($12-13m) but I just think teams see him as a bit risky considering his health and form this past year.

I kind of think Beal would be on a one year prove it deal. Maybe a 1+1, team option with nominal buyout in year two.

Plus I looked at the math again and I think it’s wrong. Gerald b is better with cap stuff

[sunsfan1o1]

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Here is what he said. The Heat will make an offer for KD, that’s for sure.

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Other than the fact the Heats roster is trash. I’m not trading with them when they refused to do a deal for Butler and chose a trash package and made the Warriors better.
Let Riley’s death be a slow and painful one.

[thamadkant]

Heat has no assets outside of picks. They also value culture heavily.... KD on that roster without someone like Butler to set them straight would destroy the foundations Riley built....

[thamadkant]

Hawks are apparently monitoring Giannis and Durant... they have young wings that Bucks and Suns would benefit from.

Okongwu and Daniels would be dream trade pieces back to Suns.

[TeamTragic]

Hawks are apparently monitoring Giannis and Durant... they have young wings that Bucks and Suns would benefit from.

Okongwu and Daniels would be dream trade pieces back to Suns.

Hawks are not getting either player lol

[Frank Lee]

I kind of think Beal would be on a one year prove it deal. Maybe a 1+1, team option with nominal buyout in year two.

Plus I looked at the math again and I think it’s wrong. Gerald b is better with cap stuff

I did the stretch math 20-30 pages ago… But what do I know?
Recap.
You can stretch up to 15% of the salary cap. That amounts to 23 million and change. we’ve already stretched 3.9 million that leaves about 19 million available 19,000,000×5 years is $95 million. Beal can be bought out for as little as 15 16 million And then stretched for 5. I believe that’s correct.

This puts us under a taxable amount, temporarily. Saves a boatload in tax money, allows for a full MLE signing (yabasule/Achiawa/nance Jr possible targets) plus other benefits.

Why buy him out if you’re not gonna stretch him? Cant build this roster out with minimum wagers on one yr deals. We’ve tried that and it doesn’t work. You need legit talent. Taxpayer MLE is a paltry 5 mill. Not enticing enough to get a contributor…and we need starters. Blah blah blah. Please, spare me the mini-book as to why you think we shouldn’t do it. It’s a viable option that allows for immediate roster improvement.

Beal actually can profit if he signs a 2 yr MLE somewhere. More what he is worth. Orlando comes to mind if they finagle their salary a bit. I’d bet, with the internal connections, a buy out has already been agreed upon. Whether or not Beal gets stretched may depend on the future player acquisitions. Either way he needs to go.

So y’all ought to warm up on it and shelve the pipedreaming of free agents two years from now. Half of the good players will be extended/retained/or signed and traded. A bunch will be over 35. Cap space is good. But legitimate nba players are better assets to have and certainly better to watch. Too many scrubs on this team the past two yrs.

[Ghost of Kleine]

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Here is what he said. The Heat will make an offer for KD, that’s for sure.

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Other than the fact the Heats roster is trash. I’m not trading with them when they refused to do a deal for Butler and chose a trash package and made the Warriors better.
Let Riley’s death be a slow and painful one.

This is a good point too! We just have no incentive whatsoever to deal with them if Ware AND picks ( 2-3) aren't included coming back. Rozier and Robinson being the equivalent of 48 million is solid cap flexibility for us, HOWEVER, KD absolutely isn't a salary dump scenario under any conditions.

Also Miami's picks ( currently) are garbage! And they really don't have even decent value to offer us for KD in a player's package unless it's something loaded around Ware/ Jovic/ Mitchell/ Jacquez/ 2- 3 1sts. With one of those 1sts being their unprotected 26' 1st.

If they can't meet our value thresholds, then No KD! and enjoy mediocrity and a painful rebuild too! And I'm honestly not even sure I'd highly value that package cumulative either.

[Ghost of Kleine]

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[sunsfan1o1]

Here is what he said. The Heat will make an offer for KD, that’s for sure.

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Other than the fact the Heats roster is trash. I’m not trading with them when they refused to do a deal for Butler and chose a trash package and made the Warriors better.
Let Riley’s death be a slow and painful one.

This is a good point too! We just have no incentive whatsoever to deal with them if Ware AND picks ( 2-3) aren't included coming back. Rozier and Robinson being the equivalent of 48 million is solid cap flexibility for us, HOWEVER, KD absolutely isn't a salary dump scenario under any conditions.

Also Miami's picks ( currently) are garbage! And they really don't have even decent value to offer us for KD in a player's package unless it's something loaded around Ware/ Jovic/ Mitchell/ Jacquez/ 2- 3 1sts. With one of those 1sts being their unprotected 26' 1st.

If they can't meet our value thresholds, then No KD! and enjoy mediocrity and a painful rebuild too! And I'm honestly not even sure I'd highly value that package cumulative either.

If they called is asked for Bam, Ware and 3 unprotected 1sts just so Riley would stop calling

[Ghost of Kleine]

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First news of a 25' draft prospect having worked out for the Suns. Of course more to come. Pierre is a dynamic 6'9 playmaking wing.

[Bogyo]

Here is what he said. The Heat will make an offer for KD, that’s for sure.

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Other than the fact the Heats roster is trash. I’m not trading with them when they refused to do a deal for Butler and chose a trash package and made the Warriors better.
Let Riley’s death be a slow and painful one.

This is a good point too! We just have no incentive whatsoever to deal with them if Ware AND picks ( 2-3) aren't included coming back. Rozier and Robinson being the equivalent of 48 million is solid cap flexibility for us, HOWEVER, KD absolutely isn't a salary dump scenario under any conditions.

Also Miami's picks ( currently) are garbage! And they really don't have even decent value to offer us for KD in a player's package unless it's something loaded around Ware/ Jovic/ Mitchell/ Jacquez/ 2- 3 1sts. With one of those 1sts being their unprotected 26' 1st.

If they can't meet our value thresholds, then No KD! and enjoy mediocrity and a painful rebuild too! And I'm honestly not even sure I'd highly value that package cumulative either.

I would love a better part of that package. Ware/Jovic/Jacquez+2026 first, and I m done. Then again, i would accept a bag of chips just to get this utterly unintrested, uninspired diva snake off the team. Does more harm than good for sure, no matter how good he is at putting a ball in a hole.

[BobbieL]

Other than the fact the Heats roster is trash. I’m not trading with them when they refused to do a deal for Butler and chose a trash package and made the Warriors better.
Let Riley’s death be a slow and painful one.

This is a good point too! We just have no incentive whatsoever to deal with them if Ware AND picks ( 2-3) aren't included coming back. Rozier and Robinson being the equivalent of 48 million is solid cap flexibility for us, HOWEVER, KD absolutely isn't a salary dump scenario under any conditions.

Also Miami's picks ( currently) are garbage! And they really don't have even decent value to offer us for KD in a player's package unless it's something loaded around Ware/ Jovic/ Mitchell/ Jacquez/ 2- 3 1sts. With one of those 1sts being their unprotected 26' 1st.

If they can't meet our value thresholds, then No KD! and enjoy mediocrity and a painful rebuild too! And I'm honestly not even sure I'd highly value that package cumulative either.

I would love a better part of that package. Ware/Jovic/Jacquez+2026 first, and I m done. Then again, i would accept a bag of chips just to get this utterly unintrested, uninspired diva snake off the team. Does more harm than good for sure, no matter how good he is at putting a ball in a hole.

Kind of how I feel about Durant. No doubt the dude can fall out of bed and put 25ppg on the stat sheet - but its winning. I think Booker, if Ishbia/Gregory can figure out how to build a team around him similar to the one they blew up. Meaning Booker has a real PG next to him for instance and not another duplicative player like Beal - might have a chance to at least be entertaining to watch

[Ghost of Kleine]

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Suns interested in Adam Caporn? Washington Wizards assistant coach, and also an assistant coach to Australia men's basketball team which won a bronze medal in the Tokyo Olympics.


https://athlonsports.com/nba/phoenix-suns/nba-insider-suggests-phoenix-suns-have-emerging-prospect-for-head-coach-opening

NBA Insider Suggests Phoenix Suns Have Emerging Prospect For Head Coach Opening


Zachary Rainey

May 8, 2025 6:20 PM EDT

According to HoopsHype's Michael Scotto, the Suns could go off the map and hire Adam Caporn.

"Washington Wizards assistant coach Adam Caporn is among those expected to draw consideration for the vacant head coaching position for the Suns," Scotto wrote.

Caporn, an Australian native, spent last season as an assistant coach for the Washington Wizards after two seasons as an assistant with the Brooklyn Nets. 

Caporn was recently appointed as the head coach of the Australian Men's National Basketball team. He played his college ball at Saint Mary's, and played from 2003 to 2006 with the Wollongong Hawks and 2006 to 2009 playing for the Perth Wildcats.

It would certainly go against Ishbia's trend of hiring former championship-winning coaches like Frank Vogel and Budenholzer.

[BobbieL]

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Suns interested in Adam Caporn? Washington Wizards assistant coach, and also an assistant coach to Australia men's basketball team which won a bronze medal in the Tokyo Olympics.


https://athlonsports.com/nba/phoenix-suns/nba-insider-suggests-phoenix-suns-have-emerging-prospect-for-head-coach-opening

NBA Insider Suggests Phoenix Suns Have Emerging Prospect For Head Coach Opening


Zachary Rainey

May 8, 2025 6:20 PM EDT

According to HoopsHype's Michael Scotto, the Suns could go off the map and hire Adam Caporn.

"Washington Wizards assistant coach Adam Caporn is among those expected to draw consideration for the vacant head coaching position for the Suns," Scotto wrote.

Caporn, an Australian native, spent last season as an assistant coach for the Washington Wizards after two seasons as an assistant with the Brooklyn Nets. 

Caporn was recently appointed as the head coach of the Australian Men's National Basketball team. He played his college ball at Saint Mary's, and played from 2003 to 2006 with the Wollongong Hawks and 2006 to 2009 playing for the Perth Wildcats.

It would certainly go against Ishbia's trend of hiring former championship-winning coaches like Frank Vogel and Budenholzer.

Just hire Chris Quinn

[Ghost of Kleine]

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Suns interested in Adam Caporn? Washington Wizards assistant coach, and also an assistant coach to Australia men's basketball team which won a bronze medal in the Tokyo Olympics.


https://athlonsports.com/nba/phoenix-suns/nba-insider-suggests-phoenix-suns-have-emerging-prospect-for-head-coach-opening

NBA Insider Suggests Phoenix Suns Have Emerging Prospect For Head Coach Opening


Zachary Rainey

May 8, 2025 6:20 PM EDT

According to HoopsHype's Michael Scotto, the Suns could go off the map and hire Adam Caporn.

"Washington Wizards assistant coach Adam Caporn is among those expected to draw consideration for the vacant head coaching position for the Suns," Scotto wrote.

Caporn, an Australian native, spent last season as an assistant coach for the Washington Wizards after two seasons as an assistant with the Brooklyn Nets. 

Caporn was recently appointed as the head coach of the Australian Men's National Basketball team. He played his college ball at Saint Mary's, and played from 2003 to 2006 with the Wollongong Hawks and 2006 to 2009 playing for the Perth Wildcats.

It would certainly go against Ishbia's trend of hiring former championship-winning coaches like Frank Vogel and Budenholzer.

Just hire Chris Quinn

I know. ......right?? It seems simple enough.

[ChuckS]

This is a good point too! We just have no incentive whatsoever to deal with them if Ware AND picks ( 2-3) aren't included coming back. Rozier and Robinson being the equivalent of 48 million is solid cap flexibility for us, HOWEVER, KD absolutely isn't a salary dump scenario under any conditions.

Also Miami's picks ( currently) are garbage! And they really don't have even decent value to offer us for KD in a player's package unless it's something loaded around Ware/ Jovic/ Mitchell/ Jacquez/ 2- 3 1sts. With one of those 1sts being their unprotected 26' 1st.

If they can't meet our value thresholds, then No KD! and enjoy mediocrity and a painful rebuild too! And I'm honestly not even sure I'd highly value that package cumulative either.

I would love a better part of that package. Ware/Jovic/Jacquez+2026 first, and I m done. Then again, i would accept a bag of chips just to get this utterly unintrested, uninspired diva snake off the team. Does more harm than good for sure, no matter how good he is at putting a ball in a hole.

Kind of how I feel about Durant. No doubt the dude can fall out of bed and put 25ppg on the stat sheet - but its winning. I think Booker, if Ishbia/Gregory can figure out how to build a team around him similar to the one they blew up. Meaning Booker has a real PG next to him for instance and not another duplicative player like Beal - might have a chance to at least be entertaining to watch

I think the Durant problem herein is understandable because Suns fans have been most influenced by the games with this team. For example, Booker, as good as he is, has only had a winning percentage 48.3% (per Statmuse). Durant, with this team has been 58.7% and 53.2%. His first two seasons with Seattle/OKC were 23.8 and 24.3%. In spite of those four years, his career winning percentage is a quite good 62.2%. As you pointed out, other than his 20 PPG rookie season he has been over 25PPG. I think he has been leading scorer on all his teams, but I'm not sure. Magic Johnson is the all time leader at 74%. It should be clear that winning is most influenced by the caliber of the team.

KD has had six years over 70% and one year with GS at 83.2%. He was even 66% with Brooklyn. I believe he and Book have been victims of the Suns, and not the culprits of its poor (recent in KD's case and also prior in Books) performances.

[dremill24]

ChuckS is the most polite KD stan ever

[BobbieL]

ChuckS is the most polite KD stan ever

Very much so

But good information

[thamadkant]

Hope Beal make the FO sweat bullets by not agreeing to a buyout... stretching him would be bad for the team but a lesson needs to be learnt. I want Ishiba to lose near a hundred million with his bad decisions in coaches and players. The guy is way too cocky.