2025 Fantasy Trade Thread

[76ciology]

Rockets:
Paul George
Joel Embiid

George = upgrade for Jalen Green
Joel Embiid = go to guy

Sixers:
Lauri Markkanen
Jalen Green
Dillon Brooks
2027 Suns 1st round pick
2029 pick swap option with Suns 1st round pick

Utah Jazz
Alperun Sengun
Reed Sheppard

This is an absolutely brutal trade for the Rockets.

FVV
Amen Thompson
Paul George
Tari Eason
Joel Embiid

Bench:
Jabari Smith Jr.
Cam Whitmore

Would it make it “more fair” to you if we give them Jared McCain?

[mjkvol]

Rockets:
Paul George
Joel Embiid

George = upgrade for Jalen Green
Joel Embiid = go to guy

Sixers:
Lauri Markkanen
Jalen Green
Dillon Brooks
2027 Suns 1st round pick
2029 pick swap option with Suns 1st round pick

Utah Jazz
Alperun Sengun
Reed Sheppard

And so the Rockets completely waste a beautiful rebuild and all those assets in one fell swoop? And the Sixers actually get picks as an added reward for ruining another franchise? At least Ainge would be happy with this, and we know how important that is to us.

This belongs in the Deranged Trade Thread.

[the_process]

Rockets:
Paul George
Joel Embiid

George = upgrade for Jalen Green
Joel Embiid = go to guy

Sixers:
Lauri Markkanen
Jalen Green
Dillon Brooks
2027 Suns 1st round pick
2029 pick swap option with Suns 1st round pick

Utah Jazz
Alperun Sengun
Reed Sheppard

George and Embiid are not valued as All-NBA guys anymore.

They're now bad contracts with upside.

[76ciology]

Regarding the Embiid and George trade proposal to the Rockets for Sengun, Jalen Green, and some picks..

People say it makes no sense. Why would Houston give up all that just to get Embiid, a player with major health concerns? But what if that’s exactly the point? What if the only window a team like the Rockets has to acquire someone like Embiid is now, when his value is clouded by uncertainty? Would you trade MVP version of Embiid and allstar version of Paul George for Sengun, Jalen Green, a pick and a pick swap?

Let’s be honest.. Sengun and Green are talented, but they’re not taking you to a championship. Green scored in single digits in every game last playoffs, except for the Rockets’ Game 2 win over the Warriors. He’s a long way from being a consistent 20–30 pt playoff wing. And what if next year is more of the same? As for Sengun, I honestly wasn’t even interested in him, I tried finding a third team to reroute him and just lazily picked the Jazz. I just don’t see teams lining up to build around Sengun. He’s tough to win with as your starting center. Even the Hornets would likely take Mark Williams over him. The Suns have two or three bigs they’d give up for a fraction of the cost.

I’ve always said we could’ve won a championship if we had traded Ben Simmons for Kawhi in 2018. What if this trade is the Rockets’ version of that moment?

[mjkvol]

Regarding the Embiid and George trade proposal to the Rockets for Sengun, Jalen Green, and some picks..

People say it makes no sense. Why would Houston give up all that just to get Embiid, a player with major health concerns? But what if that’s exactly the point? What if the only window a team like the Rockets has to acquire someone like Embiid is now, when his value is clouded by uncertainty? Would you trade MVP version of Embiid and allstar version of Paul George for Sengun, Jalen Green, a pick and a pick swap?

Let’s be honest.. Sengun and Green are talented, but they’re not taking you to a championship. Green scored in single digits in every game last playoffs, except for the Rockets’ Game 2 win over the Warriors. He’s a long way from being a consistent 20–30 pt playoff wing. And what if next year is more of the same? As for Sengun, I honestly wasn’t even interested in him, I tried finding a third team to reroute him and just lazily picked the Jazz. I just don’t see teams lining up to build around Sengun. He’s tough to win with as your starting center. Even the Hornets would likely take Mark Williams over him. The Suns have two or three bigs they’d give up for a fraction of the cost.

I’ve always said we could’ve won a championship if we had traded Ben Simmons for Kawhi in 2018. What if this trade is the Rockets’ version of that moment?

The point is that with their asset war chest, they should be aiming way higher than a potential cripple and an aging loser if they intend to go for it now.

The smart move is to keep developing their youth and keep their powder dry.

[PhillyFan11]

Can anybody even confidently say Joel is going to play basketball 5 months from now? I can’t imagine he’s even a tradeable asset at this point, he’s going to have to get on the court consistently before that’s even an option imo.

[the_process]

Regarding the Embiid and George trade proposal to the Rockets for Sengun, Jalen Green, and some picks..

People say it makes no sense. Why would Houston give up all that just to get Embiid, a player with major health concerns? But what if that’s exactly the point? What if the only window a team like the Rockets has to acquire someone like Embiid is now, when his value is clouded by uncertainty? Would you trade MVP version of Embiid and allstar version of Paul George for Sengun, Jalen Green, a pick and a pick swap?

Let’s be honest.. Sengun and Green are talented, but they’re not taking you to a championship. Green scored in single digits in every game last playoffs, except for the Rockets’ Game 2 win over the Warriors. He’s a long way from being a consistent 20–30 pt playoff wing. And what if next year is more of the same? As for Sengun, I honestly wasn’t even interested in him, I tried finding a third team to reroute him and just lazily picked the Jazz. I just don’t see teams lining up to build around Sengun. He’s tough to win with as your starting center. Even the Hornets would likely take Mark Williams over him. The Suns have two or three bigs they’d give up for a fraction of the cost.

I’ve always said we could’ve won a championship if we had traded Ben Simmons for Kawhi in 2018. What if this trade is the Rockets’ version of that moment?

The Rockets have the ammo to go get Giannis if he becomes available.

Morey has also said he's ride or die with PG and Joel.

I can't see any major changes happen until next offseason.

It is disheartening to note Morey said he doesn't see Joel contributing at all if it's not as the franchise player.

[mjkvol]

It is disheartening to note Morey said he doesn't see Joel contributing at all if it's not as the franchise player.

It's actually just being brutally honest and likely very true.

We've been talking about Embiid going to a Duncan-esque type of complimentary role now as he ages for the last 2-3 years, and there has been zero indication that he's capable of such a transition or even has the desire to be that kind of player. Could that change as he faces the reality of how limited he will be due to his health? Possibly, but I wouldn't hold my breath.

[the_process]

It is disheartening to note Morey said he doesn't see Joel contributing at all if it's not as the franchise player.

It's actually just being brutally honest and likely very true.

We've been talking about Embiid going to a Duncan-esque type of complimentary role now as he ages for the last 2-3 years, and there has been zero indication that he's capable of such a transition or even has the desire to be that kind of player. Could that change as he faces the reality of how limited he will be due to his health? Possibly, but I wouldn't hold my breath.

I agree that it's in line with what we know about Embiid that he would not accept a lesser role.

Still sad to see guys with zero self-awareness.

That being said, it's better for the team to medically retire Joel than have a $60M cap hit for Milwaukee version Brook Lopez.

[zaz102]

It is disheartening to note Morey said he doesn't see Joel contributing at all if it's not as the franchise player.

It's actually just being brutally honest and likely very true.

We've been talking about Embiid going to a Duncan-esque type of complimentary role now as he ages for the last 2-3 years, and there has been zero indication that he's capable of such a transition or even has the desire to be that kind of player. Could that change as he faces the reality of how limited he will be due to his health? Possibly, but I wouldn't hold my breath.

That comment is also missing a little context. Morey phrased it that if Joel is able to play, then he will figure out how to play at a very high level.

Obviously remains to be seen. And could be true or could just lip service as I don't think you want to come out and say you have even an inkling of reducing your best player's role before they even get on the court. Similar to how he said they're committed to Embiid and PG when Mike Levin asked if they would possible trade them. There's only one way Daryl can answer those types of questions right now.

[PhillyFan11]

Cam Whitmore, #10, highest of Rockets 2027 1st’s (Phoenix, BK, or Hou), and ‘25 2nd

For

#3 and Eric Gordon

[the_process]

Cam Whitmore, #10, highest of Rockets 2027 1st’s (Phoenix, BK, or Hou), and ‘25 2nd

For

#3 and Eric Gordon

I like the idea of deferring the pick. But I'd be more interested in asking about Cam and Jabari for 3 and matching salary (Oubre?) Assuming they aren't trading for Giannis, of course.

[the_process]

Embiid and 3 for Giannis. Just had to post it.

[76ciology]

Embiid and 3 for Giannis. Just had to post it.

Yes.

[76ciology]

Pistons:
Paul George

Bucks:
Jaden Ivey
3rd overall pick
2028 Sixers 1st round pick
2030 Sixers pick swap option
Tobias Harris (26M expiring)

Sixers:
Giannis

[76ciology]

Celtics:
Paul George
3rd Overall pick

Sixers:
Jaylen Brown

Why: we give them the Trojan Horse to destroy their team we then just need to worry about the Knicks and the Pacers.

[the_process]

Pistons:
Paul George

Bucks:
Jaden Ivey
3rd overall pick
2028 Sixers 1st round pick
2030 Sixers pick swap option
Tobias Harris (26M expiring)

Sixers:
Giannis

Can't do this. You're assuming Joel is still that guy and he is not.

Here's the thing, right? Morey will have to see Joel is not that guy anymore before he believes it. Just like he held on Glenn too long, he will hold on to Joel too long.

That being said, you cannot make moves around Joel or expecting Joel. You make moves regardless of or even in spite of Joel. You pretend he's not there, and anything he gives you must fit with the structure of your team and is simply a bonus.

[the_process]

Celtics:
Paul George
3rd Overall pick

Sixers:
Jaylen Brown

Why: we give them the Trojan Horse to destroy their team we then just need to worry about the Knicks and the Pacers.

I like this, but the Celtics don't save enough money here. Their primary motivation is to save money. How much is an open question. I suspect they won't stop just dropping under the 2nd apron, especially if they lose to the Knicks, but who knows.

Knicks and Celtics will be 8-8 in all time playoff matchups if the Knicks win one of the next three games.

The Sixers are 7-15 all time vs. Boston in the playoffs.

There's no rivalry. Sixers are the little brother.

[the_process]

Is Bilal Coulibaly worth a damn? I can't decide.

But I'm thinking Drummond, Gordon, and 3 for Coulibaly, 6, and 18.

6 take Knueppel, and at 18 take one of CMB, Yaxel, or Rasheer.

35 take the best big man available.

[the_process]

MIA gets PG
PHI gets Markkanen and 5
UTA gets Wiggins, Rozier, 3, and 20

Ainge probably wants more.