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Skybox wrote:drsd wrote:jezzerinho wrote:Kevin Porter Jr.
Discuss.
Averages 54 games played per season over a 5-year career.
Injuries or suspensions?
How about Isaac? He makes $25m, and it lowers to $15m. It wouldn't help our cap situationKnightro wrote:Technically yes, the Magic could trade guys like Harris and M. Wagner the day the season ends for a team looking for immediate cap space, but given their own impending tax issues, it feels more likely they’ll just decline both options to get under the tax and give themselves a lot more wiggle room in terms of adding salary for next season via trade.
basketballRob wrote:How about Isaac? He makes $25m, and it lowers to $15m. It wouldn't help our cap situation
We could use him as a trade chip if they wanted to. We could trade Isaac straight up for Simons, and Portland would save $12m next season. I'd include Cole for Robert Williams in that deal.Knightro wrote:basketballRob wrote:How about Isaac? He makes $25m, and it lowers to $15m. It wouldn't help our cap situation
I think they intend to keep Isaac at $15M and see if losing the weight can get him back to his 23-24 level of effectiveness.
Because if he does play like he did in 23-24, he's proving way more than $15M in value.
Knightro wrote:Technically yes, the Magic could trade guys like Harris and M. Wagner the day the season ends for a team looking for immediate cap space, but given their own impending tax issues, it feels more likely they’ll just decline both options to get under the tax and give themselves a lot more wiggle room in terms of adding salary for next season via trade.
Skybox wrote:Silky Simple Summer...
#1
ORL sends: KCP, ORL #25
POR sends: Anfernee Simons
Why: Professional defensive presence for their young backcourt for 2 years, they go all in NEXT summer with cap space and another lotto pick "earned"
#2
ORL sends: Goga, Cole Anthony, 3 srps
TOR sends: Poeltl
Why: TOR drafts Maluach and determines they're a year away from an all-in. Poeltl for Goga & expiring Cole is a cost-saving move, plus draft equity.
Exercise Options on CoJo and Houstan, Decline on M. Wagner and G. Harris, re-sign Wagner at 3yrs x $8m. Draft Maxime Raynaud from French Natl. Team by way of Stanford...an incredibly skilled, mature 7' with a mentality and support system that sounds like Wemby (diet, yoga, mentality, sleep, etc)
Poeltl, WCJ, Raynaud (Moe)
Paolo, WCJ, Isaac (Moe)
Franz, Isaac, Houstan
Suggs, AB, TdS
Simons, AB, CoJo
*We could use another guard...we could re-sign Gary for something more like $3m, or Queen for even less. If we're feeling frisky and these make the MLE available to us (and he slips through the cracks), we could consider DLo (or Schroder who will likely stay in DET or get paid more than we should). DLO is immensely talented and immensely disappointing, but at this stage of his career, I don't think he's a potential locker room issue (like a KPJ could be), so it might be a nice bet...he could emerge as 6MOY if deployed correctly and he embraces the winning role.
Lots of positional versatility. I think Raynaud may be the steal of the draft and, maybe, eventual starter (or, maybe it's Wolf). TdS and Houstan deserve minutes and shots. I'm counting on a slimmed down Isaac to revert to his ball-hawking, help-everywhere defensive presence to offset some of the lesser defenders bringing offense. Mose is a strict man to man D guy, but he'll make it a little more sophisticated to give more help from his guys like Isaac, AB, and Suggs. Much improved rebounding, interior ball movement, and perimeter shooting. Simons, even if limited by a pedestrian offensive scheme, is ALWAYS a looming threat to would-be double-teamers trying to cheat down on Paolo and Franz.
orlando_joe wrote:Skybox wrote:Silky Simple Summer...
#1
ORL sends: KCP, ORL #25
POR sends: Anfernee Simons
Why: Professional defensive presence for their young backcourt for 2 years, they go all in NEXT summer with cap space and another lotto pick "earned"
#2
ORL sends: Goga, Cole Anthony, 3 srps
TOR sends: Poeltl
Why: TOR drafts Maluach and determines they're a year away from an all-in. Poeltl for Goga & expiring Cole is a cost-saving move, plus draft equity.
Exercise Options on CoJo and Houstan, Decline on M. Wagner and G. Harris, re-sign Wagner at 3yrs x $8m. Draft Maxime Raynaud from French Natl. Team by way of Stanford...an incredibly skilled, mature 7' with a mentality and support system that sounds like Wemby (diet, yoga, mentality, sleep, etc)
Poeltl, WCJ, Raynaud (Moe)
Paolo, WCJ, Isaac (Moe)
Franz, Isaac, Houstan
Suggs, AB, TdS
Simons, AB, CoJo
*We could use another guard...we could re-sign Gary for something more like $3m, or Queen for even less. If we're feeling frisky and these make the MLE available to us (and he slips through the cracks), we could consider DLo (or Schroder who will likely stay in DET or get paid more than we should). DLO is immensely talented and immensely disappointing, but at this stage of his career, I don't think he's a potential locker room issue (like a KPJ could be), so it might be a nice bet...he could emerge as 6MOY if deployed correctly and he embraces the winning role.
Lots of positional versatility. I think Raynaud may be the steal of the draft and, maybe, eventual starter (or, maybe it's Wolf). TdS and Houstan deserve minutes and shots. I'm counting on a slimmed down Isaac to revert to his ball-hawking, help-everywhere defensive presence to offset some of the lesser defenders bringing offense. Mose is a strict man to man D guy, but he'll make it a little more sophisticated to give more help from his guys like Isaac, AB, and Suggs. Much improved rebounding, interior ball movement, and perimeter shooting. Simons, even if limited by a pedestrian offensive scheme, is ALWAYS a looming threat to would-be double-teamers trying to cheat down on Paolo and Franz.
wow 2 trades i could live with! do not know much on this draft? good job
Skybox wrote:Silky Simple Summer...
#1
ORL sends: KCP, ORL #25
POR sends: Anfernee Simons
Why: Professional defensive presence for their young backcourt for 2 years, they go all in NEXT summer with cap space and another lotto pick "earned"
#2
ORL sends: Goga, Cole Anthony, 3 srps
TOR sends: Poeltl
Why: TOR drafts Maluach and determines they're a year away from an all-in. Poeltl for Goga & expiring Cole is a cost-saving move, plus draft equity.
Exercise Options on CoJo and Houstan, Decline on M. Wagner and G. Harris, re-sign Wagner at 3yrs x $8m. Draft Maxime Raynaud from French Natl. Team by way of Stanford...an incredibly skilled, mature 7' with a mentality and support system that sounds like Wemby (diet, yoga, mentality, sleep, etc)
Poeltl, WCJ, Raynaud (Moe)
Paolo, WCJ, Isaac (Moe)
Franz, Isaac, Houstan
Suggs, AB, TdS
Simons, AB, CoJo
*We could use another guard...we could re-sign Gary for something more like $3m, or Queen for even less. If we're feeling frisky and these make the MLE available to us (and he slips through the cracks), we could consider DLo (or Schroder who will likely stay in DET or get paid more than we should). DLO is immensely talented and immensely disappointing, but at this stage of his career, I don't think he's a potential locker room issue (like a KPJ could be), so it might be a nice bet...he could emerge as 6MOY if deployed correctly and he embraces the winning role.
Lots of positional versatility. I think Raynaud may be the steal of the draft and, maybe, eventual starter (or, maybe it's Wolf). TdS and Houstan deserve minutes and shots. I'm counting on a slimmed down Isaac to revert to his ball-hawking, help-everywhere defensive presence to offset some of the lesser defenders bringing offense. Mose is a strict man to man D guy, but he'll make it a little more sophisticated to give more help from his guys like Isaac, AB, and Suggs. Much improved rebounding, interior ball movement, and perimeter shooting. Simons, even if limited by a pedestrian offensive scheme, is ALWAYS a looming threat to would-be double-teamers trying to cheat down on Paolo and Franz.
jezzerinho wrote:Kevin Porter Jr.
Discuss.
BadMofoPimp wrote:Solid synapsis but still doesn't justify trading youth for aging players. I bet a 3rd team would have to be involved for KCP to go to.
MagicFan101 wrote:To be clear with my earlier post, I’m not suggesting Black is untouchable in trade offers.
I’m simply saying it’s going to take A LOT more than some people here seem to think.
Paolo, Franz, Suggs, Black = building blocks.
Everyone and everything else is fair game in all scenarios.
drsd wrote:BadMofoPimp wrote:Solid synapsis but still doesn't justify trading youth for aging players. I bet a 3rd team would have to be involved for KCP to go to.
The salary floor will be about 149M this year. THus, a team must average paying their players 10M a year each, as a bottom min. Rookie deals currently avearage 4.6M each per annum, meaning there is no way to get to the floor with only youth.
The horrible teams all need three 15-20M guys on the roster; and there is where Caldwell-Pope and Isaac become contracts more than players for such teams. Example: No Utah is not going to trade Sexton for only Caldwell-Pope, but he would be a useful salary in part of a deal that had other assets.
basketballRob wrote:We could use him as a trade chip if they wanted to. We could trade Isaac straight up for Simons, and Portland would save $12m next season. I'd include Cole for Robert Williams in that deal.Knightro wrote:basketballRob wrote:How about Isaac? He makes $25m, and it lowers to $15m. It wouldn't help our cap situation
I think they intend to keep Isaac at $15M and see if losing the weight can get him back to his 23-24 level of effectiveness.
Because if he does play like he did in 23-24, he's proving way more than $15M in value.
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Edrees wrote:JRoy wrote:Monta Ellis have it all
I was hoping and expecting this to be one of the first replies. You did not disappoint. Jroy have it all.
pepe1991 wrote:jezzerinho wrote:Kevin Porter Jr.
Discuss.
Do i want guy who almost choked his GF to death?
Might as well add Miles Bridges to have all the woman beaters.
For how but**hurt nba gets over some political stands, it is borderline crazy that they allow such players to still play in nba.
But poor girl said she "fell" to save his a**. She "fell", on his fist and between his hands around neck, you know, typical abusive "falls".
T-Cat wrote:MagicFan101 wrote:To be clear with my earlier post, I’m not suggesting Black is untouchable in trade offers.
I’m simply saying it’s going to take A LOT more than some people here seem to think.
Paolo, Franz, Suggs, Black = building blocks.
Everyone and everything else is fair game in all scenarios.
If Orlando wants to get under the cap, they may have to part ways with one of their building blocks...I wouldn't rule out a draft day trade to acquire younger talent to either flip in a possible Giannis trade or keep for foreseeable future.
I like Marcus Smart and their lottery pick for Franz Wagner/Cole Anthony.
T-Cat wrote:MagicFan101 wrote:To be clear with my earlier post, I’m not suggesting Black is untouchable in trade offers.
I’m simply saying it’s going to take A LOT more than some people here seem to think.
Paolo, Franz, Suggs, Black = building blocks.
Everyone and everything else is fair game in all scenarios.
If Orlando wants to get under the cap, they may have to part ways with one of their building blocks...I wouldn't rule out a draft day trade to acquire younger talent to either flip in a possible Giannis trade or keep for foreseeable future.
I like Marcus Smart and their lottery pick for Franz Wagner/Cole Anthony.
Skybox wrote:orlando_joe wrote:Skybox wrote:Silky Simple Summer...
#1
ORL sends: KCP, ORL #25
POR sends: Anfernee Simons
Why: Professional defensive presence for their young backcourt for 2 years, they go all in NEXT summer with cap space and another lotto pick "earned"
#2
ORL sends: Goga, Cole Anthony, 3 srps
TOR sends: Poeltl
Why: TOR drafts Maluach and determines they're a year away from an all-in. Poeltl for Goga & expiring Cole is a cost-saving move, plus draft equity.
Exercise Options on CoJo and Houstan, Decline on M. Wagner and G. Harris, re-sign Wagner at 3yrs x $8m. Draft Maxime Raynaud from French Natl. Team by way of Stanford...an incredibly skilled, mature 7' with a mentality and support system that sounds like Wemby (diet, yoga, mentality, sleep, etc)
Poeltl, WCJ, Raynaud (Moe)
Paolo, WCJ, Isaac (Moe)
Franz, Isaac, Houstan
Suggs, AB, TdS
Simons, AB, CoJo
*We could use another guard...we could re-sign Gary for something more like $3m, or Queen for even less. If we're feeling frisky and these make the MLE available to us (and he slips through the cracks), we could consider DLo (or Schroder who will likely stay in DET or get paid more than we should). DLO is immensely talented and immensely disappointing, but at this stage of his career, I don't think he's a potential locker room issue (like a KPJ could be), so it might be a nice bet...he could emerge as 6MOY if deployed correctly and he embraces the winning role.
Lots of positional versatility. I think Raynaud may be the steal of the draft and, maybe, eventual starter (or, maybe it's Wolf). TdS and Houstan deserve minutes and shots. I'm counting on a slimmed down Isaac to revert to his ball-hawking, help-everywhere defensive presence to offset some of the lesser defenders bringing offense. Mose is a strict man to man D guy, but he'll make it a little more sophisticated to give more help from his guys like Isaac, AB, and Suggs. Much improved rebounding, interior ball movement, and perimeter shooting. Simons, even if limited by a pedestrian offensive scheme, is ALWAYS a looming threat to would-be double-teamers trying to cheat down on Paolo and Franz.
wow 2 trades i could live with! do not know much on this draft? good job
Uh oh...your agreement has me concerned. I might need to re-think this
MagicFan101 wrote:To be clear with my earlier post, I’m not suggesting Black is untouchable in trade offers.
I’m simply saying it’s going to take A LOT more than some people here seem to think.
Paolo, Franz, Suggs, Black = building blocks.
Everyone and everything else is fair game in all scenarios.
tiderulz wrote:MagicFan101 wrote:To be clear with my earlier post, I’m not suggesting Black is untouchable in trade offers.
I’m simply saying it’s going to take A LOT more than some people here seem to think.
Paolo, Franz, Suggs, Black = building blocks.
Everyone and everything else is fair game in all scenarios.
right now, AB is still....Just Another Guy
