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Basketball_Jones wrote:Brinbe wrote:knicks are who we thought they were
Indeed, if they drop next game for sure. Let’s see if this wasn’t a fluke.
HumbleRen wrote:Back to back games of OG scoring less than 6 points.
If he was Siakam or fvv, he’d be getting cooked here.
mdenny wrote:In anycase....Masai is probably gonna make Fred the first active player/head coach in franchise history now that Nurse is out of the way. That's been the plan all along.
mdenny wrote:JB7 wrote:mdenny wrote:
I couldn't watch it. But I remember there were some concerning stats for OKC's offense during the season while SGA was sitting or sidelined. I think Jdubs is a solid two way player....but also sense he's been a little overrated offensively as a guy who's benefitted ALOT from double-teams on SGA.
They still seem like a team that is simple to gameplan against: shut down SGA at all costs. Which is why I think they have an amazing opportunity to cash in their best assets for Giannis. I think those two would be unstoppable. Someone else here said it...but SGA has a similar "jokic effect" that makes his teammates appear better than they will be on a different team. Chet + jdub + filler/picks should be the cost.
There's not much of a choice for those who think that cost is too much. OKC can't have another max contract with two supermax guys anyways. And they are simply better off with giannis than they are with chet/dubs
They're better off getting rid of the two guys who are guaranteed incoming max contracts and keep their depth guys that cost between 18 and 30 per year. Also...by giving up chet/jdub...they will retain more picks they can use to find much needed efficient contracts to fill out the roster.
Yes, I think it is going to require both Chet and J-Dub in a deal, because while OKC has a lot more of picks to offer, most are going to be mid or later picks in the first round, so not great picks.
Problem for OKC is they are probably going to need to include IH or Dort in the deal for salary matching.
Yep. Ppl just aren't facing reality if they think OKC is gonna have 2 supermax guys plus an additional max salary.
And yes....they are gonna have to add hartenstien too. But a package of jdubs/chet/hartenstien is unmatchable across the league. Plus it allows you to keep all (or most) if the picks.
So giannis/sga/hart/dort/Caruso is a pretty damn good starting place. Then you fill out the roster by either developing prospects on rookie contracts AND trading pieces of MASSIVE collection of picks for the best role player contracts in the league.
Other teams will end up getting GREAT deals for role players who are locked into highly efficient contracts because okc will be paying for the player AND the contract. This is where you might see stuff like two first rounders and a second for Poetl (wishful thinking). But the point is they will be paying top dollar for the best 15 to 20 milly per year players in the league.
A few guys that exemplify targets on super value contracts: Naz Reid, divencenzo, dinwiddie, Mcbride, avdija, Austin reeves, most notably....SGA's half brother is on a steal of a deal too.
Look for players like that to get traded for WAY more picks than they are worth.
Just seems so obvious this is the path.
Also...I bet both chet and jdubs end up being kinda ho-hum players in Milwaukee anyway. With both of them in the top 40 or 50 range. So awesome players...but not the kind you want to give max contracts ideally.
HumbleRen wrote:Back to back games of OG scoring less than 6 points.
If he was Siakam or fvv, he’d be getting cooked here.
mdenny wrote:In anycase....Masai is probably gonna make Fred the first active player/head coach in franchise history now that Nurse is out of the way. That's been the plan all along.
mdenny wrote:In anycase....Masai is probably gonna make Fred the first active player/head coach in franchise history now that Nurse is out of the way. That's been the plan all along.
Boogie! wrote:How did the wolves beat the lakers with LeBron and Luka but are struggling against the warriors.
mdenny wrote:In anycase....Masai is probably gonna make Fred the first active player/head coach in franchise history now that Nurse is out of the way. That's been the plan all along.
Boogie! wrote:Everyone defending gradey dicks **** season meanwhile podzienski looking decent playing against Anthony Edwards. Would dick even be playable this series?
Scizzup wrote:mdenny wrote:Scizzup wrote:
OKC is not trading both Chet and JDub for anyone not named Wemby lol. Trading that for Giannis makes them a worse team now and the future. In the playoffs half court creation matters more and Giannis is not a top guy when it comes to it, its why Bucks have had troubles vs great defense in past. Shai does not shoot enough 3s for that duo to just out talent you. Teams would be able to defend them even easier.
if I am OKC I get a big movement wing shooter, they don't need another star. They have dominated this series despite being 1-2 and likely will still win it. If Presti got a Trey Murphy or even Cam Johnson, they are up 3-0. consolidate 2 role players for a better one.
Respectfully disagree. Chet and Jdub are at the very peak of their hype years. All that hype turns to jaded disappointment for 4th and 5th year players. Scotty is a good example. A year ago ppl were talking about him potentially being top 10 (which was crazy). Now many ppl are saying he isn't the worth the max rookie extension (also crazy).
This pattern is like clockwork.
You just wrote **** that is not based in logic. Chet is 22 and JDub is 23 years old. They are not even close to their peak. Jdub is better than Shai was at the same age btw, not that progression is linear.
Chet is the 2nd best defender in the league healthy and he has not even put on weight or improved his creation yet. Who tf is saying Chet or Jdub ain't worth the 25% max? Chet has a higher ceiling than Mobley/Barnes to me. The injury this year really hurt his development but as a rookie he had a defensive season as good as Mobley best and a better season than Barnes ever did, period. Chet ceiling is an all time defender that can punish mismatch and space the floor. These freak rim protectors that can hold up in switches are unicorns (defending the rim is the most impactful part of defense). You have to look at Chet value from the defensive end. He is not a number 1 option on offense.
OKC is down this series because they have made stupid clutch mistakes and shot the 3 ball poorly. They have shot the 3 ball 4% worse than Nuggets and made 1 less 3 pointer. This should not be the case looking at both rosters so maybe shooting variance flips soon.
Edit: seen this is more of a Scottie post, well I never envisioned Scottie as a top 10 player. He does not check any of the boxes when it comes to super elite defense, playmaking, or self creation. Chet and even Mobley does with defense.
djsunyc wrote:
6.3 pts on 23% shooting lol
HumbleRen wrote:Back to back games of OG scoring less than 6 points.
If he was Siakam or fvv, he’d be getting cooked here.
Pointgod wrote:mdenny wrote:JB7 wrote:
Yes, I think it is going to require both Chet and J-Dub in a deal, because while OKC has a lot more of picks to offer, most are going to be mid or later picks in the first round, so not great picks.
Problem for OKC is they are probably going to need to include IH or Dort in the deal for salary matching.
Yep. Ppl just aren't facing reality if they think OKC is gonna have 2 supermax guys plus an additional max salary.
And yes....they are gonna have to add hartenstien too. But a package of jdubs/chet/hartenstien is unmatchable across the league. Plus it allows you to keep all (or most) if the picks.
So giannis/sga/hart/dort/Caruso is a pretty damn good starting place. Then you fill out the roster by either developing prospects on rookie contracts AND trading pieces of MASSIVE collection of picks for the best role player contracts in the league.
Other teams will end up getting GREAT deals for role players who are locked into highly efficient contracts because okc will be paying for the player AND the contract. This is where you might see stuff like two first rounders and a second for Poetl (wishful thinking). But the point is they will be paying top dollar for the best 15 to 20 milly per year players in the league.
A few guys that exemplify targets on super value contracts: Naz Reid, divencenzo, dinwiddie, Mcbride, avdija, Austin reeves, most notably....SGA's half brother is on a steal of a deal too.
Look for players like that to get traded for WAY more picks than they are worth.
Just seems so obvious this is the path.
Also...I bet both chet and jdubs end up being kinda ho-hum players in Milwaukee anyway. With both of them in the top 40 or 50 range. So awesome players...but not the kind you want to give max contracts ideally.
You keep saying this but it’s not exactly like you’re describing it. First off both of these guys get the rookie max extension their salaries don’t kick in until the 2026 season and they both start at 38 per year, that’s Brandon Ingram money they’re making for the next couple of years and it they really only get more expensive if they make an all NBA team, but if both of these guys make an all NBA team that’s a good problem to have for OKC.
Also next off season OKC has team options of Dort, Hartenstein, Kenrich Williams to save around 50 million and they can let Ousman Dieng walk and have easily movable contracts like Isiah Joe and Aaron Wiggins. The only contract that may be tough to move is Caruso’s but if they attach picks it can get done. Presti has set the team up nicely if they’re over the cap with an abundance of picks that could be rotation players on 4 year contracts. He believes in the teams ability to draft and develop players but if he doesn’t hit on the picks he ends up looking stupid.
It would be malpractice from the Bucks to not get J Dub or Chet but you absolutely don’t have to trade both. We have zero idea if Giannis and Shai can play together, we all thought him and Dame would fit a lot better together but it hasn’t worked out. so they need to keep one of Chet or JDub as the third option.
mdenny wrote:HumbleRen wrote:Back to back games of OG scoring less than 6 points.
If he was Siakam or fvv, he’d be getting cooked here.
To be fair....siakam and fred are not given assignments like "cover Jason tatum".
But I generally agree with your point. The fred hate is the biggest disgrace in raptor fanbase history. Alot of the siakam hate was disgraceful to....it just wasn't as extreme.
Toxic fans never hate 3 and d players. That role is often fan favorites because it doesn't come with any creation responsibilities. I've come to realize that it's the players that are burdened with roles that include ball handling and creation responsibilities that are subject to the most toxic fan hate. That's why kyle and demar got so much back in the day too. And Jose Calderon. Guys like Ibaka and jonas never get hate too because again, no ball handling/creation responsibilities.
Trust me, if OG was given the ball in big games (like he wanted for some years in toronto)....he would've started getting hate too.
HumbleRen wrote:mdenny wrote:HumbleRen wrote:Back to back games of OG scoring less than 6 points.
If he was Siakam or fvv, he’d be getting cooked here.
To be fair....siakam and fred are not given assignments like "cover Jason tatum".
But I generally agree with your point. The fred hate is the biggest disgrace in raptor fanbase history. Alot of the siakam hate was disgraceful to....it just wasn't as extreme.
Toxic fans never hate 3 and d players. That role is often fan favorites because it doesn't come with any creation responsibilities. I've come to realize that it's the players that are burdened with roles that include ball handling and creation responsibilities that are subject to the most toxic fan hate. That's why kyle and demar got so much back in the day too. And Jose Calderon. Guys like Ibaka and jonas never get hate too because again, no ball handling/creation responsibilities.
Trust me, if OG was given the ball in big games (like he wanted for some years in toronto)....he would've started getting hate too.
Demar hate was valid. Sall ima say on that lol.