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jonige94 wrote:Fierce1 wrote:Whether we like it or not, Joe will not get fired whether we advance or not.
Brad will give Joe one more shot.
Then Brad should go as well.
OldCeltics wrote:Today's Celtics team is full of young talent coming into their prime, but my confession is this year i watched only 2 games during the entire season. Why? Because the lack of any effort the Celtics showed consistently during the season. An why would they show effort? They won the championship. They got their contracts.
An this lack of effort during the season has caught up with us in the playoffs. Lucky it is against the Knicks and not Cavs full strength or OKC. Kevin Garnett was the one that would get down on his knees and bark like a dog during a regular season game. Why? Because he said everything you do during the regular season sets you up for success in the playoffs, another words through repetition you build skills, increase ability, and automatically make the right play not even thinking.
Take Tatum, he has his son Deuce, and his family. You think he tries as hard any more at work. He's a billionaire, with a kid, he's living the good life. An he's one of many. He's already won it all, do you think he needs to put up a full effort against the likes of a bad team like Knicks which we beat 4 times in regular season. Off course not. So when you have a 20 point lead, why get back on defense, why take good shots, when you can do Kobe "Tatum's favorite player growing up" type fade aways.
These loses are pure effort, up by 20 each time, and coasting. It is the inability to understand that this is the NBA, this is not college basketball, and each and every top 15 team has a chance to win, even if they don't have stars like Celtics do. It is a trend that stems from the regular season where multiple times the Celtics gave up 20 point leads, and either barely won by a point or two or just lost. Its also chucking up more 3s than they ever have in the past years.
The good news is we are going to win this series regardless, cause Knicks suck. Its ok to have a bad shooting streak, but it is not ok to disrespect your opponent by going up 20 and showing no effort. Celtics have no heart like in past years. An i think in part it does stem from the coach. In part the players. To win the finals they won't just need to step up to the next gear, but to the gear after that, and the gear after that. But do they have those gears. They must from past years, but definitely not from this disgusting year.
1st banana wrote:Win or lose this series and/or championship whatever I’d like to see Tatum slim down a bit muscle wise.
I think his overall upper body muscle gain has hindered his shot and I will die on that hill. His outside shot as a pull-up shooter and isolation shooter has been on its way down.
Curious if anyone shares the same opinion and I wonder if anyone in his training team has floated the idea.
fallguy wrote:1st banana wrote:Win or lose this series and/or championship whatever I’d like to see Tatum slim down a bit muscle wise.
I think his overall upper body muscle gain has hindered his shot and I will die on that hill. His outside shot as a pull-up shooter and isolation shooter has been on its way down.
Curious if anyone shares the same opinion and I wonder if anyone in his training team has floated the idea.
I think shot selection is more of a problem than shot form.
But the numbers are impossible to ignore. He's a high volume three point shooter who doesn't shoot well.
ConstableGeneva wrote:fallguy wrote:1st banana wrote:Win or lose this series and/or championship whatever I’d like to see Tatum slim down a bit muscle wise.
I think his overall upper body muscle gain has hindered his shot and I will die on that hill. His outside shot as a pull-up shooter and isolation shooter has been on its way down.
Curious if anyone shares the same opinion and I wonder if anyone in his training team has floated the idea.
I think shot selection is more of a problem than shot form.
But the numbers are impossible to ignore. He's a high volume three point shooter who doesn't shoot well.
I'd keep the heft. I said it in his thread, he's more Lebron and Giannis than KD or PG. He just needs to lean on the bully ball mentality than thinking he's Steph Curry.
1st banana wrote:ConstableGeneva wrote:fallguy wrote:
I think shot selection is more of a problem than shot form.
But the numbers are impossible to ignore. He's a high volume three point shooter who doesn't shoot well.
I'd keep the heft. I said it in his thread, he's more Lebron and Giannis than KD or PG. He just needs to lean on the bully ball mentality than thinking he's Steph Curry.
I guess I’ll change my tune if I see some coast to coast big bodied Giannis type buckets but I just see him as more akin to the finesse game.
He can still use his body to strong body people but I can’t help but wonder what a slightly thinner frame would do for his agility and shot.
ThePigeon wrote:1st banana wrote:ConstableGeneva wrote:I'd keep the heft. I said it in his thread, he's more Lebron and Giannis than KD or PG. He just needs to lean on the bully ball mentality than thinking he's Steph Curry.
I guess I’ll change my tune if I see some coast to coast big bodied Giannis type buckets but I just see him as more akin to the finesse game.
He can still use his body to strong body people but I can’t help but wonder what a slightly thinner frame would do for his agility and shot.
I'd work on handling and finishing around the basket and a Dirk fadeaway
Keep the bulk
ConstableGeneva wrote:ThePigeon wrote:1st banana wrote:I guess I’ll change my tune if I see some coast to coast big bodied Giannis type buckets but I just see him as more akin to the finesse game.
He can still use his body to strong body people but I can’t help but wonder what a slightly thinner frame would do for his agility and shot.
I'd work on handling and finishing around the basket and a Dirk fadeaway
Keep the bulk
He shot 78.2% from within 3 feet in the regular season (better than Giannis at obviously much lower volume). Dunno what's going on, could be the wrist.
ConstableGeneva wrote:I want a new offensive coordinator for the Celtics whether or not they keep Joe. I know the regular season numbers but it's been bloated by our three-point volume and not some function of offensive creativity and innovation. The fact that JT and JB are still doing their slow-down iso thing in clutch moments and we can't call up various EOG sets ala Brad Stevens is concerning. I will gouge my eyes out if I see another EOG set where Tatum full-sprints from the backcourt to get his game-winner or an OOB play where the shooter doesn't even end up with a decent shot.
meatball sub wrote:Yep, unload Jaylen, Jrue, d white, KP for picks and reset